High Speed 2: We're buying your home, Govt tells residents (From Bucks Free Press)

Yes, all in the name of so called progress, that people can have their lives turned upside-down, houses in which generations of families have lived are forced to sell-up just so that Ministers can play trainsets and that commuters from London and Birmingham can save a little time. DISGUSTING.

Clearly it is right and proper that owners of properties affected by Route 3 are informed that they will eventually be compulsorily purchased; also that they can either sell up soon or hang on to the last moment.

Whilst some properties may need to be demolished, some (older listed) buildings may be moved further away from the new line.

Instead of burying their heads in the sand, it would be helpful if Bucks CC, local councils and assorted local bodies put their heads together and found land / building sites for the displaced within the area.

I am sitting in my conservatory at the moment drinking a cup of coffee.
I bought this house myself and it is my pride and joy.
I would be completely devastated if I was ttold it was going to be bulldozed for the sake of a trainline.
I cannot imagine the devastation these people must be feeling.
I thought an Englishman/woman's home was their castle?
Not in this country anymore. :((

@ demoness the second

I'm enjoying a mug of coffee in my spare bedroom as I don't have a conservatory; also I've also still got an outside privy !

Windsorian wrote:
@ demoness the second

I'm enjoying a mug of coffee in my spare bedroom as I don't have a conservatory; also I've also still got an outside privy !

I wasn't saying it for that reason - can you not have any empathy for those people who are going to lose their homes.
Okay I get that you agree with the HS2 but I don't get your total lack of empathy for those who will be affected.

Oh and I work flipping hard to earn the money to pay for that conservatory :)

@ demoness the second
I carefully refrained from calling you a snob with your cup and conservatory; however once agin you have let rip with both barrels.

Please read the last paragraph of my 1st post in which I suggested that the various Councils and Conservation bodies should make make available local land so displaced residents can make new homes in the area where they now live; unless this is done some may be forced to move away.

Though I suspect that the usual culprits who oppose HS2 would also object to any new building to re-house their neighbours.

Fancy giving up a bit of your garden?

Windsorian wrote:
@ demoness the second
I carefully refrained from calling you a snob with your cup and conservatory; however once agin you have let rip with both barrels.

Please read the last paragraph of my 1st post in which I suggested that the various Councils and Conservation bodies should make make available local land so displaced residents can make new homes in the area where they now live; unless this is done some may be forced to move away.

Though I suspect that the usual culprits who oppose HS2 would also object to any new building to re-house their neighbours.

Fancy giving up a bit of your garden?

OMG -you see that is the trouble with writing . I did not think for one minute you were calling me a snob.
The point I was trying to make was I am proud of my home and I love it. And I would be devastated if I had to give it up to the government. I then just asked you if you could not spare a bit of empathy for them. :(

My garden is not big enough to let anyone build a house in it.

And as with the Southern Ring Road, the widening of the West way, and the third runway at Heathrow, properties will be blighted, bought and left empty for years then sold by some speculator in 10 years time when HS2 is cancelled owing to revised requirement and out of control cost.

demoness the second wrote:
I am sitting in my conservatory at the moment drinking a cup of coffee. I bought this house myself and it is my pride and joy. I would be completely devastated if I was ttold it was going to be bulldozed for the sake of a trainline. I cannot imagine the devastation these people must be feeling. I thought an Englishman/woman's home was their castle? Not in this country anymore. :((

I'm with you on that one!! Those poor people!! I'd hate be forced to sell my home & move for a train line!!
All the love & memories a home can hold are compleatly irreplaceable!!

washondo wrote:
And as with the Southern Ring Road, the widening of the West way, and the third runway at Heathrow, properties will be blighted, bought and left empty for years then sold by some speculator in 10 years time when HS2 is cancelled owing to revised requirement and out of control cost.

Perhaps you could go into the thread where you called me a troll ( god knows why) and explain that remark.
Or else I will have to assume that you support racist and xenophobes and are not prepared to look at any other point of view.
Unlike the poster who I challenged, I actually rarely, if ever, make personal and unfounded remarks about people.

Next time you drive down the M40, spare a thought for the people whose conservatories were demolished to build it

tom.marlow2 wrote:
Next time you drive down the M40, spare a thought for the people whose conservatories were demolished to build it

Ah yes, the perfect excuse for allowing the bulldozer in, we built the M40 so we should do further damage and bulldoze further north.
!
Remember, many railways actually closed because Motorways were flavour of the month, because we have a perverse system of continued growth and predominantly in the South East, we feel we have to ever increase infrastructure to support it. Perhaps instead of mere growth, we could slow down a little and base a Company's performance on quality too.

wayneo wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote:
Next time you drive down the M40, spare a thought for the people whose conservatories were demolished to build it

Ah yes, the perfect excuse for allowing the bulldozer in, we built the M40 so we should do further damage and bulldoze further north.
!
Remember, many railways actually closed because Motorways were flavour of the month, because we have a perverse system of continued growth and predominantly in the South East, we feel we have to ever increase infrastructure to support it. Perhaps instead of mere growth, we could slow down a little and base a Company's performance on quality too.

Nothing of the sort....

Just a reminder that no-one is innocent.

My house is built on what used to be farmland - the rustic sounding road name is a give away. Most likely yours is too, and demoness's.

I'm NOT arguing that because the chilterns are already damaged by the existing transport infrastructure its OK to do more damage - I'm just calling 'humbug' on the emotive arguments about destruction of conservatories.

tom.marlow2 wrote:

wayneo wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote:
Next time you drive down the M40, spare a thought for the people whose conservatories were demolished to build it

Ah yes, the perfect excuse for allowing the bulldozer in, we built the M40 so we should do further damage and bulldoze further north.
!
Remember, many railways actually closed because Motorways were flavour of the month, because we have a perverse system of continued growth and predominantly in the South East, we feel we have to ever increase infrastructure to support it. Perhaps instead of mere growth, we could slow down a little and base a Company's performance on quality too.

Nothing of the sort....

Just a reminder that no-one is innocent.

My house is built on what used to be farmland - the rustic sounding road name is a give away. Most likely yours is too, and demoness's.

I'm NOT arguing that because the chilterns are already damaged by the existing transport infrastructure its OK to do more damage - I'm just calling 'humbug' on the emotive arguments about destruction of conservatories.

Tom - I am not saying for one minute that anyone is innocent.
I am talking about now - I am sure at the time when the m40 was built there was plenty of protest.
The other factor to consider of course is that we have built on and ruined so much countryside that we really should not be considering ruining anymore but preserving what we have left.

tom.marlow2 wrote:

wayneo wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote:
Next time you drive down the M40, spare a thought for the people whose conservatories were demolished to build it

Ah yes, the perfect excuse for allowing the bulldozer in, we built the M40 so we should do further damage and bulldoze further north.
!
Remember, many railways actually closed because Motorways were flavour of the month, because we have a perverse system of continued growth and predominantly in the South East, we feel we have to ever increase infrastructure to support it. Perhaps instead of mere growth, we could slow down a little and base a Company's performance on quality too.

Nothing of the sort....

Just a reminder that no-one is innocent.

My house is built on what used to be farmland - the rustic sounding road name is a give away. Most likely yours is too, and demoness's.

I'm NOT arguing that because the chilterns are already damaged by the existing transport infrastructure its OK to do more damage - I'm just calling 'humbug' on the emotive arguments about destruction of conservatories.

Tom - I am not saying for one minute that anyone is innocent.
I am talking about now - I am sure at the time when the m40 was built there was plenty of protest.
The other factor to consider of course is that we have built on and ruined so much countryside that we really should not be considering ruining anymore but preserving what we have left.

Of course there was.... I was part of it (albeit a rather small part).

I'm just trying to provide a bit of balance to Wayneo's self-righteousness. Of course in his little world its all the fault of the last Labour government and all we need to do is to restore the scrambled brain cells of the blessed Margaret and everything will be all right again.

Either way, will someone just make a decision as to what is happening, as those horrendous hoardings supported by scaffolding that are littering the Chilterns are as much an eyesore as anything else.

demoness the second wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote:

wayneo wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote: Next time you drive down the M40, spare a thought for the people whose conservatories were demolished to build it

Ah yes, the perfect excuse for allowing the bulldozer in, we built the M40 so we should do further damage and bulldoze further north. ! Remember, many railways actually closed because Motorways were flavour of the month, because we have a perverse system of continued growth and predominantly in the South East, we feel we have to ever increase infrastructure to support it. Perhaps instead of mere growth, we could slow down a little and base a Company's performance on quality too.

Nothing of the sort.... Just a reminder that no-one is innocent. My house is built on what used to be farmland - the rustic sounding road name is a give away. Most likely yours is too, and demoness's. I'm NOT arguing that because the chilterns are already damaged by the existing transport infrastructure its OK to do more damage - I'm just calling 'humbug' on the emotive arguments about destruction of conservatories.

Tom - I am not saying for one minute that anyone is innocent. I am talking about now - I am sure at the time when the m40 was built there was plenty of protest. The other factor to consider of course is that we have built on and ruined so much countryside that we really should not be considering ruining anymore but preserving what we have left.

Ah well, what use is the countryside anyway? I mean, how much money does it generate? Why don't we move all the people into huge compounds (sorry, do I mean cities?) and then join them all up with great transport networks? That way, we can distribute all that money around more easily and it will be so much fairer to everyone. Won't it? :-(((((((

The Industrial Revolution completely decimated wide swathes of beautiful countryside up North; the discovery of coal led to pit collieries which, coupled with their pollution, caused many many deaths.
Now the pits have gone - and most of the factory chimneys - most of the land has either been redeveloped or left for Nature to take hold; so this HS2 decision - in the name of progress - is just another chapter in the destruction of our beautiful landscape.
But, fear not; in 100 years or so we won't need railways, and we'll be able to plough up the HS2 line and plant seed - or build houses.....
So will Justin Greening MP be spoken in the future in the same breath as Islambard Kingdom Brunel? Who knows.
Sorry, just a ramble.

As a succesful city banker, I will accept the money from the government and then just spend my bonus on buying a very large house that is not within the area of HS2, thus contributing to society by paying stamp duty.

demoness the second wrote:

washondo wrote:
And as with the Southern Ring Road, the widening of the West way, and the third runway at Heathrow, properties will be blighted, bought and left empty for years then sold by some speculator in 10 years time when HS2 is cancelled owing to revised requirement and out of control cost.

Perhaps you could go into the thread where you called me a troll ( god knows why) and explain that remark.
Or else I will have to assume that you support racist and xenophobes and are not prepared to look at any other point of view.
Unlike the poster who I challenged, I actually rarely, if ever, make personal and unfounded remarks about people.

"and are not prepared to look at any other point of view"

Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind................
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washondo wrote:
And as with the Southern Ring Road, the widening of the West way, and the third runway at Heathrow, properties will be blighted, bought and left empty for years then sold by some speculator in 10 years time when HS2 is cancelled owing to revised requirement and out of control cost.

The most sensible post I have read yet.

It amazes me that people think the £17 billion is the most it will cost, when other major projects such as Holyrood have spiraled out of control.

I also symphathise with those people who are to lose their homes over this White Elephant.

I still believe it will not be built and people should not be made to sell unless it's definately happening.

Then compensation should be at least double the market value of each property.

When the M40 was at its planning stage the Wycombe area was a different world. It was full of real working people who had more important things to do than waste other people's money on pointless campaigns. It was full of genuinely local people - Wycombe had had a Labour MP a few years before despite still including the surounding villages in the constituency so that will show you just how different the actual town was. Even the now horrendously overpriced fake commuter villages had genuine communities full of real people.
people who could actually trace their families back further than the present generation.
In other words why not face it that the South East is a hideous sprawl beyond redemption and should be sacrificed by further development to save the real countryside of the West Country/Yorkshire/La
ke District etc

There is probably barely a railway line in the world that hasn't been built without some measure of compulsory purchase. It's a fact of life that you cannot send railway lines around everyone's properties! This line WILL be built, mark my words and the reall outrage is that my Council Tax is being needlessly squandered on politically motivated, pointless vote winning faux campaigning.

A very costly blunder.
Also shame on Cheryl Gillan for her conduct in recent months in particular. She represents so much of what is wrong when politicians act so badly. Shabby to say the least. Hope she's not elected next time. She'll probably step down anyway before then.