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MPs blast 'nonsense' assumptions on High Speed 2's benefits
12:30pm Saturday 14th July 2012 in Beaconsfield By James Nadal
MPs blast 'nonsense' assumptions on High Speed 2's benefits
A SCATHING report has been produced by a committee of MPs into Government claims about the benefits of High Speed 2.
The Public Accounts Committee has branded some of the Department for Transport's assumptions about how the £33bn scheme will help the economy as 'nonsense' and 'untenable'.
A study into the completion and sale of High Speed 1 and what lessons it provides for HS2 makes grim reading for transport chiefs.
Criticism of the first high speed rail scheme centred around the fact taxpayers have so far spent £4.8 billion to cover the debt on the project – and will continue to shell out £10.2 billion over the next 60 years.
The committee concluded that the root of the problem was the “inaccurate and wildly optimistic forecasts for passenger numbers”.
Campaigners have claimed the same inaccurate predictions have been made on HS2.
Committee chair Margaret Hodge said such 'costly mistakes' must not be repeated with HS2.
She said: “Before going ahead with HS2 we need a robust cost benefit analysis.
“Some of the Department's assumptions about the benefits of faster travel are simply untenable.
"For example, the time business travellers save by using high speed rail is valued at £54 per hour yet the time commuters save getting to and from work is only valued at £7 per hour.
"It is difficult to see how this can be justified.
“The Department also assumes that all time spent on a train is unproductive.
"And unrealistic assumptions about ticket prices act to exaggerate passenger demand forecasts.”
The DfT admitted it had ignored investment in broadband video-conferencing and other alternatives, Mrs Hodge said.
“It is nonsense that the Department does not have a full understanding of the wider economic impact and regeneration benefits of transport infrastructure, including HS1, to inform future investment decisions.
“The Department must revisit its assumptions on HS2 and develop a full understanding of the benefits and costs of high speed travel compared to the alternatives."
The true benefit to the taxpayer and economy has come under increasing scrutiny in Parliament recently, with this report being the latest blow.
The DfT stressed in a statement that the report acknowledges HS1 is an important part of the rail infrastructure.
It said: “Our passenger forecast modelling has improved significantly since the original work for HS1 over 20 years ago, with better understanding of what drives passenger demand, better computer modelling and more computer power to do it.
“Network Rail predicts the West Coast Main Line will be full by the mid 2020s and HS2 presents the most effective solution to this looming capacity crunch facing our rail network. "This is in addition to the jobs, regional regeneration and improved connectivity the project will deliver.”
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padav
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6:38pm Sat 14 Jul 12
wayneo
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7:29pm Sat 14 Jul 12
Eachban
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8:17pm Sat 14 Jul 12
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If the NAO were to produce a damning report on the ridiculous assumptions, that would have some teeth.
Difference between professionals (albeit Civil Servants) and the kind of glory hunters that put themselves forward for election.
padav
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9:30pm Sat 14 Jul 12
Malc London
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10:54pm Sat 14 Jul 12
A fast train from London to Birmingham is of little benefit to most people.
A localised train service getting commuters off the road makes economic sense.
A train line that doesn't stop anywhere is just a folly.
washondo
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11:17pm Sat 14 Jul 12
padav wrote:"Blindingly obvious", "proven facts, on record"? As presumably the PAC report?
What on earth are you blathering on about @wayneo - do you always ignore the blindingly obvious (ie. narrow self-interest = trying to frustrate a new trainline rather inconveniently coming through their respective backyards - are you actually taking any notice here?) because it's inconvenient for your biased viewpoint? The economic benefits flowing from HS1 are nothing to do with government output - they're a matter of proven facts, on record.
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Tee hee.
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Sorry, I understand that convention says LOL, but I just couldn't resist the pomposity of "blathering".
padav
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11:54pm Sat 14 Jul 12
demoness the second
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7:00am Sun 15 Jul 12
padav wrote:Whereas the planners and ( possibly MPs) and builders of HS2 are doing it purely altruistic reasons and are not thinking of money or self interest at all.
What on earth are you blathering on about @wayneo - do you always ignore the blindingly obvious (ie. narrow self-interest = trying to frustrate a new trainline rather inconveniently coming through their respective backyards - are you actually taking any notice here?) because it's inconvenient for your biased viewpoint? The economic benefits flowing from HS1 are nothing to do with government output - they're a matter of proven facts, on record.
How noble :))))
kingsnewclothes
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9:09am Sun 15 Jul 12
williamjames
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1:18pm Mon 16 Jul 12
Chiltonians
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11:52pm Wed 1 Aug 12
williamjames wrote:Not at all!
HS2 is a 'vanity project' The recent announcement of improving the lines to Sheffield and further through electuification make the investment case even more dubious. Of course the shining example of HS1 is conveniently ignored by the fans of HS2.
This completely illustrates that the government is putting its money where its mouth is!
It has said before that it wants to improve the country's railway system. It has now shown this commitment with £9bn.
Critics of HS2 have said that HS2 would take money away from investment into the current railways! However, the government stated previously that this isn't the case and that it would continue to invest in the UK's railway despite a commitment to spend money on delivering HS2. Actions speak loader than words!!
The government is clearly investing in a strategy for improved railway in the UK. This includes investment in upgrading the current railway and the investment in the much needed HS2.
Well done government - keep it up!
washondo says...
1:07pm Sat 14 Jul 12