Labour Euro MP blasts 'schoolboy' Cameron over EU veto (From Bucks Free Press)

Cameron is indeed a schoolboy - a rich Old Etonian committed to looking after his party`s rich banking chums, and this appears to be the major reason behind his eurotantrum. One is reminded of the (in)famous newspaper headline from the early 20th century: "Fog in Channel - Europe cut off".

So what stance would Mr Skinner's party have taken had they been in power?

Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Mutley wrote:
So what stance would Mr Skinner's party have taken had they been in power?

New Labour and the LibDems are both versions of Conservatism (both ToryLite), so yes, perhaps we`d be in the same foolish pickle anyway!

Cameron might well be labelled a Schoolboy but you Mr Skinner, are a fool; the idea that we as an independent country are so inept that we NEED further European integration else we fail, is total, utter, claptrap.

sparky49 wrote:
Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

So Mr Cameron has done something right, so now all we need is the referendum on Europe that I believe we were promised quite some time ago and he'll be on a roll.......

Cameron could not have negotiated anything. It was a case of the German's saying "take it or leave", with their French lapdogs wagging their tails.
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Quite frankly, the only reason that Peter Skinner has come out like this is to make political capital for himself. Most politicians couldn't give a rat's about the people. Their priority is to do what they have to to keep themselves in the job.

wayneo wrote:

sparky49 wrote:
Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

Well then I must have blinkers because I don't see how xenophobic nonsense about 1939 adds anything to the debate. I would actually welcome an in/out referendum because once we had heard from business leaders what the true cost of withdrawal would be the europhobes would be exposed for the bigoted nutters that they mostly are.

Ten Years Gone wrote:

wayneo wrote:

sparky49 wrote: Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

Well then I must have blinkers because I don't see how xenophobic nonsense about 1939 adds anything to the debate. I would actually welcome an in/out referendum because once we had heard from business leaders what the true cost of withdrawal would be the europhobes would be exposed for the bigoted nutters that they mostly are.

Calm down dear, he was drawing parallel with previous events, not lining up and shooting old ladies. Call us what you want but with the truth about European Union's true purpose (that being a vehicle for integration) dawning on people, it won't change the fact that people like you will continue to be marginalised? As for your insinutation regarding the cost of withdrawal, exactly how much would the net cost be then? assuming that is, that the Eurozone doesn't collapse before a referendum even got off of the ground.

Ten Years Gone wrote:

wayneo wrote:

sparky49 wrote: Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

Well then I must have blinkers because I don't see how xenophobic nonsense about 1939 adds anything to the debate. I would actually welcome an in/out referendum because once we had heard from business leaders what the true cost of withdrawal would be the europhobes would be exposed for the bigoted nutters that they mostly are.

Calm down dear, he was drawing parallel with previous events, not lining up and shooting old ladies. Call us what you want but with the truth about European Union's true purpose (that being a vehicle for integration) dawning on people, it won't change the fact that people like you will continue to be marginalised? As for your insinutation regarding the cost of withdrawal, exactly how much would the net cost be then? assuming that is, that the Eurozone doesn't collapse before a referendum even got off of the ground.

Well let's start with the fact that over 40% of our trade is with EU countries, and add in the Far Eastern companies that invest in Britain because it gives them a stable base in Europe. It wouldn't take much for them to find France or Germany a more attractive option.

Ten Years Gone wrote:

wayneo wrote:

sparky49 wrote: Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

Well then I must have blinkers because I don't see how xenophobic nonsense about 1939 adds anything to the debate. I would actually welcome an in/out referendum because once we had heard from business leaders what the true cost of withdrawal would be the europhobes would be exposed for the bigoted nutters that they mostly are.

'xenophobic', 'europhobes', 'bigoted'

Blimey!! You really are a left wing, new age, 'I will spout any retoric I wish even though I dont have a clue because I can' type of a person!!

tigeran wrote:

Ten Years Gone wrote:

wayneo wrote:

sparky49 wrote: Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

Well then I must have blinkers because I don't see how xenophobic nonsense about 1939 adds anything to the debate. I would actually welcome an in/out referendum because once we had heard from business leaders what the true cost of withdrawal would be the europhobes would be exposed for the bigoted nutters that they mostly are.

'xenophobic', 'europhobes', 'bigoted' Blimey!! You really are a left wing, new age, 'I will spout any retoric I wish even though I dont have a clue because I can' type of a person!!

Ah, more clarity, then - excellent. And "rhetoric" had an aitch, the last time I looked (though clearly I don`t have a clue either, do I?).

dtap wrote:

tigeran wrote:

Ten Years Gone wrote:

wayneo wrote:

sparky49 wrote: Being a socialist I would normally disagree with the Tory's, but on this one I agree (even Milliband would have done the same). The Greeks will now do as the Germans say because they owe them a debt. The French well say no more. We refused now as we did in 1939. The Germans tried by force and failed they are now trying again via money.

Exactly and one must have blinkers to not see that.

Well then I must have blinkers because I don't see how xenophobic nonsense about 1939 adds anything to the debate. I would actually welcome an in/out referendum because once we had heard from business leaders what the true cost of withdrawal would be the europhobes would be exposed for the bigoted nutters that they mostly are.

'xenophobic', 'europhobes', 'bigoted' Blimey!! You really are a left wing, new age, 'I will spout any retoric I wish even though I dont have a clue because I can' type of a person!!

Ah, more clarity, then - excellent. And "rhetoric" had an aitch, the last time I looked (though clearly I don`t have a clue either, do I?).

Oh here we go, No other comment avilable other than pointing out typo's. Typical of this type of person.

"This type of person" hasn`t yet quite managed to match your knack for shouting ill thought - out abuse (and that`s an "i" there in "available" too, by the way) rather than offering anything resembling reason. I`M WORKING ON IT, THOUGH!! Have a sweet day...

dtap wrote:
"This type of person" hasn`t yet quite managed to match your knack for shouting ill thought - out abuse (and that`s an "i" there in "available" too, by the way) rather than offering anything resembling reason. I`M WORKING ON IT, THOUGH!! Have a sweet day...

Works though, got you climbing out of your pram!!

I'm not so sure about David Cameron's decision. Cutting more ties with Europe could cost us and our industries quite dear in future years. We should not be little blinkered Englanders. Beware the Ides of UKIP too. How come these new regulations suit all those other Euro nations (26?) but not us to make us opt out? What's peculiar and different about us? We no longer have an Empire or are real world leaders and should become more like Norway, Sweden, Ireland, and most other countries and spend our tax take on our vital services (health, education, roads, social services etc) rather than billions on war for Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq and aid for some of the impoverished Third World countries who even can afford nuclear weapons while their populations starve. We in Britain should come first for those pay outs to help us.
And there's no point in Labour bods crowing. They would have voted in the same way as David Cameron .....and Labour led us into those awful costly wars in recent years. Blair lined his pockets heavily without a trace of socialism or any decent principles. Whatever happened to the old Labour party which was once the "peace" party? Best to vote Green or Lib Dem for the moment now. At least they have principles and opposed Iraq's invasion and the awful price we're paying to be in Afghanistan..

Scarletto wrote:
I'm not so sure about David Cameron's decision. Cutting more ties with Europe could cost us and our industries quite dear in future years. We should not be little blinkered Englanders. Beware the Ides of UKIP too. How come these new regulations suit all those other Euro nations (26?) but not us to make us opt out? What's peculiar and different about us? We no longer have an Empire or are real world leaders and should become more like Norway, Sweden, Ireland, and most other countries and spend our tax take on our vital services (health, education, roads, social services etc) rather than billions on war for Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq and aid for some of the impoverished Third World countries who even can afford nuclear weapons while their populations starve. We in Britain should come first for those pay outs to help us. And there's no point in Labour bods crowing. They would have voted in the same way as David Cameron .....and Labour led us into those awful costly wars in recent years. Blair lined his pockets heavily without a trace of socialism or any decent principles. Whatever happened to the old Labour party which was once the "peace" party? Best to vote Green or Lib Dem for the moment now. At least they have principles and opposed Iraq's invasion and the awful price we're paying to be in Afghanistan..

Nothing like a little reasoned argument to get me "back in my pram" - yes, well said.

Ten Years Gone wrote:
Well let's start with the fact that over 40% of our trade is with EU countries, and add in the Far Eastern companies that invest in Britain because it gives them a stable base in Europe. It wouldn't take much for them to find France or Germany a more attractive option.

Oh really, you've polled them all have you? If only the world was such a simplistic place. I work for a French Company, the reason it is here is because of the contracts it has with the UK, contracts to services with UK based companies where it is irrelevant whether we are part of a Federal Europe or not, foreign Companies will still trade, always have done, wil always continue to do so. The idea that we as a Country are so inept that we can't survive unless we are part of a pact is quite frankly absurd and borne from scarmongerers who might as well walk down Oxford street with "the end of the World is Nigh" sandwich boards.
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The primary reason Europe is in a pickle is because it is run by politician's and unlected Bureacrats who know nothing of running a business. we, as a nation are in a pickle because of a number of factors, one being we had a moron who spent and borrowed heavily against the receipts from the debt the nation was getting itself into from the very banks that he deregulated; our fiscal destiny can and is, being controlled at a national level and despite what the fools of the Guardian predict, our deficit is being reduced. The Eurozone and the experiment is finished, the sooner it is accepted and we move on the better it will be.

Scarletto wrote:
I'm not so sure about David Cameron's decision. Cutting more ties with Europe could cost us and our industries quite dear in future years. We should not be little blinkered Englanders. Beware the Ides of UKIP too. How come these new regulations suit all those other Euro nations (26?) but not us to make us opt out? What's peculiar and different about us? We no longer have an Empire or are real world leaders and should become more like Norway, Sweden, Ireland, and most other countries and spend our tax take on our vital services (health, education, roads, social services etc) rather than billions on war for Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq and aid for some of the impoverished Third World countries who even can afford nuclear weapons while their populations starve. We in Britain should come first for those pay outs to help us. And there's no point in Labour bods crowing. They would have voted in the same way as David Cameron .....and Labour led us into those awful costly wars in recent years. Blair lined his pockets heavily without a trace of socialism or any decent principles. Whatever happened to the old Labour party which was once the "peace" party? Best to vote Green or Lib Dem for the moment now. At least they have principles and opposed Iraq's invasion and the awful price we're paying to be in Afghanistan..

What has the Iraq war got to do with it? LibDems have 57 MPs, I will put considerable amounts of money on it, that there will be many many less at the next election. :-) They're finished as a party.
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Well, I can certainly see that the wars in which we`ve involved ourselves have cost - and continue to cost - a fortune which would be far better spent at home. And, after all, Britain is as European as France or Germany: I`m a European, for instance, who happens to be born in Britain. I`m also uneasy about calling a Prime Minister a "moron" - I deeply distrust Cameron, for example, but I can see he`s no "moron" . As for "the fools of the Guardian" well, again, one may disagree with them (whoever they are) but again, calling them fools just doesn`t ring true. It would be most civilised to see a serious attempt to reduce this deficit in so many of the ways available to us before stamping on the faces of the weakest first, and making the welfare of bankers paramount.

dtap wrote:
Well, I can certainly see that the wars in which we`ve involved ourselves have cost - and continue to cost - a fortune which would be far better spent at home. And, after all, Britain is as European as France or Germany: I`m a European, for instance, who happens to be born in Britain. I`m also uneasy about calling a Prime Minister a "moron" - I deeply distrust Cameron, for example, but I can see he`s no "moron" . As for "the fools of the Guardian" well, again, one may disagree with them (whoever they are) but again, calling them fools just doesn`t ring true. It would be most civilised to see a serious attempt to reduce this deficit in so many of the ways available to us before stamping on the faces of the weakest first, and making the welfare of bankers paramount.

Keep the wars going and get rid of bennefits. Thats how to bring this economy back round!

tigeran wrote:

dtap wrote: Well, I can certainly see that the wars in which we`ve involved ourselves have cost - and continue to cost - a fortune which would be far better spent at home. And, after all, Britain is as European as France or Germany: I`m a European, for instance, who happens to be born in Britain. I`m also uneasy about calling a Prime Minister a "moron" - I deeply distrust Cameron, for example, but I can see he`s no "moron" . As for "the fools of the Guardian" well, again, one may disagree with them (whoever they are) but again, calling them fools just doesn`t ring true. It would be most civilised to see a serious attempt to reduce this deficit in so many of the ways available to us before stamping on the faces of the weakest first, and making the welfare of bankers paramount.

Keep the wars going and get rid of bennefits. Thats how to bring this economy back round!

Yup: see you on the front line.

dtap wrote:

tigeran wrote:

dtap wrote: Well, I can certainly see that the wars in which we`ve involved ourselves have cost - and continue to cost - a fortune which would be far better spent at home. And, after all, Britain is as European as France or Germany: I`m a European, for instance, who happens to be born in Britain. I`m also uneasy about calling a Prime Minister a "moron" - I deeply distrust Cameron, for example, but I can see he`s no "moron" . As for "the fools of the Guardian" well, again, one may disagree with them (whoever they are) but again, calling them fools just doesn`t ring true. It would be most civilised to see a serious attempt to reduce this deficit in so many of the ways available to us before stamping on the faces of the weakest first, and making the welfare of bankers paramount.

Keep the wars going and get rid of bennefits. Thats how to bring this economy back round!

Yup: see you on the front line.

No way! I am too crucial earning money here to pay for it all in tax!! Send some one on bennefits as cannon fodder!

tigeran wrote:

dtap wrote:

tigeran wrote:

dtap wrote: Well, I can certainly see that the wars in which we`ve involved ourselves have cost - and continue to cost - a fortune which would be far better spent at home. And, after all, Britain is as European as France or Germany: I`m a European, for instance, who happens to be born in Britain. I`m also uneasy about calling a Prime Minister a "moron" - I deeply distrust Cameron, for example, but I can see he`s no "moron" . As for "the fools of the Guardian" well, again, one may disagree with them (whoever they are) but again, calling them fools just doesn`t ring true. It would be most civilised to see a serious attempt to reduce this deficit in so many of the ways available to us before stamping on the faces of the weakest first, and making the welfare of bankers paramount.

Keep the wars going and get rid of bennefits. Thats how to bring this economy back round!

Yup: see you on the front line.

No way! I am too crucial earning money here to pay for it all in tax!! Send some one on bennefits as cannon fodder!

An army of 2.7 million unemployed should do it - it`ll all be over by Christmas, though...

There are a few truly soppy people contributing to this serious debate here. Some can't even spell or use reasonable grammar. Just stick to comments about the EU and the horrid cost (blood and cash) of being involved in wars.

Scarletto wrote:
There are a few truly soppy people contributing to this serious debate here. Some can't even spell or use reasonable grammar. Just stick to comments about the EU and the horrid cost (blood and cash) of being involved in wars.

Apologies - I was led astray.

wayneo wrote:

Ten Years Gone wrote:
Well let's start with the fact that over 40% of our trade is with EU countries, and add in the Far Eastern companies that invest in Britain because it gives them a stable base in Europe. It wouldn't take much for them to find France or Germany a more attractive option.

Oh really, you've polled them all have you? If only the world was such a simplistic place. I work for a French Company, the reason it is here is because of the contracts it has with the UK, contracts to services with UK based companies where it is irrelevant whether we are part of a Federal Europe or not, foreign Companies will still trade, always have done, wil always continue to do so. The idea that we as a Country are so inept that we can't survive unless we are part of a pact is quite frankly absurd and borne from scarmongerers who might as well walk down Oxford street with "the end of the World is Nigh" sandwich boards.
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The primary reason Europe is in a pickle is because it is run by politician's and unlected Bureacrats who know nothing of running a business. we, as a nation are in a pickle because of a number of factors, one being we had a moron who spent and borrowed heavily against the receipts from the debt the nation was getting itself into from the very banks that he deregulated; our fiscal destiny can and is, being controlled at a national level and despite what the fools of the Guardian predict, our deficit is being reduced. The Eurozone and the experiment is finished, the sooner it is accepted and we move on the better it will be.

Couldn't have said it better myself! never did understand why we had to be joined by the hip in order to trade.
Well done Cameron for standing up to bully boy tactics, we are more than capable of standing on our own and as wayneo said, countries trade with us not because we are part of Federal Europe but because we have much to offer. Let's get back to being, just good neighbours, we don't have to be one big unhappy family to survive!

plot10a wrote:

wayneo wrote:

Ten Years Gone wrote:
Well let's start with the fact that over 40% of our trade is with EU countries, and add in the Far Eastern companies that invest in Britain because it gives them a stable base in Europe. It wouldn't take much for them to find France or Germany a more attractive option.

Oh really, you've polled them all have you? If only the world was such a simplistic place. I work for a French Company, the reason it is here is because of the contracts it has with the UK, contracts to services with UK based companies where it is irrelevant whether we are part of a Federal Europe or not, foreign Companies will still trade, always have done, wil always continue to do so. The idea that we as a Country are so inept that we can't survive unless we are part of a pact is quite frankly absurd and borne from scarmongerers who might as well walk down Oxford street with "the end of the World is Nigh" sandwich boards.
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The primary reason Europe is in a pickle is because it is run by politician's and unlected Bureacrats who know nothing of running a business. we, as a nation are in a pickle because of a number of factors, one being we had a moron who spent and borrowed heavily against the receipts from the debt the nation was getting itself into from the very banks that he deregulated; our fiscal destiny can and is, being controlled at a national level and despite what the fools of the Guardian predict, our deficit is being reduced. The Eurozone and the experiment is finished, the sooner it is accepted and we move on the better it will be.

Couldn't have said it better myself! never did understand why we had to be joined by the hip in order to trade.
Well done Cameron for standing up to bully boy tactics, we are more than capable of standing on our own and as wayneo said, countries trade with us not because we are part of Federal Europe but because we have much to offer. Let's get back to being, just good neighbours, we don't have to be one big unhappy family to survive!

Quite agree.