High Speed 2: Upset villagers turn fire on under pressure MP Cheryl Gillan

9:00am Monday 13th February 2012 in Flackwell Heath By James Nadal

High Speed 2: Upset villagers turn fire on under pressure MP High Speed 2: Upset villagers turn fire on under pressure MP

CAMPAIGNERS against High Speed 2 from Great Missenden have ratcheted up the pressure on Cheryl Gillan – but the MP says she will not talk any more about giving up her constituency home.

Mrs Gillan came in for fierce criticism after it emerged she had sold her Amersham house – near the HS2 route.

She explained it was due to the unsuitable nature of the property with her husband's moblity problems - not about HS2.

But constituents have since asked why she could not have stayed in the area by moving to a home which was better equipped.

And they are angry she appears to have ignored pleas to meet them face to face at a public meeting.

Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher, who voted for Mrs Gillan at the General Election, said: “I understand her cottage there was unsuitable.

"Her constituents, however, are reasonable in expecting her to purchase another suitable home in the constituency at a time when they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.”

Great Missenden resident and former Tory councillor Keith Mikes said: “On the major issue of the day for Great Missenden the failure to come and meet the constituents looks like a dereliction of duty by an MP.

“We cannot understand why she has changed from opposition to HS2 to acceptance of the principle and only working for modest changes.”

He also questioned why Mrs Gillan did not take on another constituency home.

Claire Marriott, also from Great Missenden, said: “I am outraged by her recent behaviour.

“It is simply not good enough that she is refusing to comment on key issues.

“As a constituency MP she needs to be available to those who elected her.

“As inconvenient as it may be, her constituency now includes Great Missenden and the people in this village would like a meeting.

“Prior to her election Ms Gillan was happy to come here and make all kinds of public promises. “Now, however, her diary appears to be closed to anything but private meetings with party loyalists.”

The BFP asked Mrs Gillan a series of questions, including why she decided not to take on another constituency property, if she will consider getting another house in the area, and if she will agree to a public meeting.

A statement issued by her office did not directly address the questions, but said: “Mrs Gillan has already publicly explained the reasons for selling her property in the constituency.

“She will not be make any further comment about her domestic or detailed diary arrangements.”

Mrs Gillan did not comment on whether she backed Buckinghamshire County Council's moves to push for a judicial review on HS2.

She also did not confirm where she is currently living.

Mrs Gillan has previously insisted she has being doing everything possible for her constituents and told the BFP she will not resign as Welsh Secretary.

Comments (29)

9:43am Mon 13 Feb 12

sparky49 says...

What a hoot. Tory voters turning on their own because they couldn't get their own way. Mind you they will still vote her back in rather than have a yellow MP.
What a hoot. Tory voters turning on their own because they couldn't get their own way. Mind you they will still vote her back in rather than have a yellow MP. sparky49

9:44am Mon 13 Feb 12

Cressex Offender says...

"living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2

I am glad that this chap is not given to exaggeration.
"living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2 I am glad that this chap is not given to exaggeration. Cressex Offender

9:44am Mon 13 Feb 12

geoffW says...

Chezzer is too busy trying to get an HS spur line from Cardiff to Birmingham, no doubt.
Chezzer is too busy trying to get an HS spur line from Cardiff to Birmingham, no doubt. geoffW

10:16am Mon 13 Feb 12

piran says...

".... When they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.”
What a complete load of tosh.

Obviously "Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher" is living in a fantsay world of exaggeration. Mind you she probably has a very nice house and a comfortable income so having a national asset to help build the national economy running under you in a tunnel must be like having the Nazis invade! Unemployment, poverty and poor health do not seem to bother her.
".... When they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.” What a complete load of tosh. Obviously "Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher" is living in a fantsay world of exaggeration. Mind you she probably has a very nice house and a comfortable income so having a national asset to help build the national economy running under you in a tunnel must be like having the Nazis invade! Unemployment, poverty and poor health do not seem to bother her. piran

10:33am Mon 13 Feb 12

tigeran says...

sparky49 wrote:
What a hoot. Tory voters turning on their own because they couldn't get their own way. Mind you they will still vote her back in rather than have a yellow MP.
Well you cant blame them can you?! By that i assume you mean Lib Dem and by the colour I assume you mean the colour of their belly!!
Lib Dems?!!!! God help us if those idiots had full rein, its bad enough that they are allowed to tag along with a PROPER party than be in complete control!!!
[quote][p][bold]sparky49[/bold] wrote: What a hoot. Tory voters turning on their own because they couldn't get their own way. Mind you they will still vote her back in rather than have a yellow MP.[/p][/quote]Well you cant blame them can you?! By that i assume you mean Lib Dem and by the colour I assume you mean the colour of their belly!! Lib Dems?!!!! God help us if those idiots had full rein, its bad enough that they are allowed to tag along with a PROPER party than be in complete control!!! tigeran

10:42am Mon 13 Feb 12

JOHNHEALY says...

It is time to get tough now and call for Cheryl Gillan to resign so we can have a better MP to represent us. While we are talking resignations I think all of us who are affected by HS2 should also call on Justine Greening to resign too.
It is time to get tough now and call for Cheryl Gillan to resign so we can have a better MP to represent us. While we are talking resignations I think all of us who are affected by HS2 should also call on Justine Greening to resign too. JOHNHEALY

10:49am Mon 13 Feb 12

sparky49 says...

JOHNHEALY wrote:
It is time to get tough now and call for Cheryl Gillan to resign so we can have a better MP to represent us. While we are talking resignations I think all of us who are affected by HS2 should also call on Justine Greening to resign too.
WOW. "All of us". That would be a very small number of people deciding who sits in the cabinet then. Mind you that is excatcly what happens. It's good to see that the Tory me me me attitude is still alive and well. Go up north and visit places like Hull, M'boro and Sunderland and you will see what your Blue chums have done to other parts of the country.
[quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: It is time to get tough now and call for Cheryl Gillan to resign so we can have a better MP to represent us. While we are talking resignations I think all of us who are affected by HS2 should also call on Justine Greening to resign too.[/p][/quote]WOW. "All of us". That would be a very small number of people deciding who sits in the cabinet then. Mind you that is excatcly what happens. It's good to see that the Tory me me me attitude is still alive and well. Go up north and visit places like Hull, M'boro and Sunderland and you will see what your Blue chums have done to other parts of the country. sparky49

10:52am Mon 13 Feb 12

Nick1042 says...

piran wrote:
".... When they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.”
What a complete load of tosh.

Obviously "Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher" is living in a fantsay world of exaggeration. Mind you she probably has a very nice house and a comfortable income so having a national asset to help build the national economy running under you in a tunnel must be like having the Nazis invade! Unemployment, poverty and poor health do not seem to bother her.
Although I feel Marilyn Fletcher's statement is a tad over the top, you know nothing about her personal circumstances so please stop stereotyping, something you seem to do over and over in your posts. Not everybody in Bucks have fantastic salaries and big houses.
[quote][p][bold]piran[/bold] wrote: ".... When they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.” What a complete load of tosh. Obviously "Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher" is living in a fantsay world of exaggeration. Mind you she probably has a very nice house and a comfortable income so having a national asset to help build the national economy running under you in a tunnel must be like having the Nazis invade! Unemployment, poverty and poor health do not seem to bother her.[/p][/quote]Although I feel Marilyn Fletcher's statement is a tad over the top, you know nothing about her personal circumstances so please stop stereotyping, something you seem to do over and over in your posts. Not everybody in Bucks have fantastic salaries and big houses. Nick1042

11:48am Mon 13 Feb 12

tigeran says...

sparky49 wrote:
JOHNHEALY wrote:
It is time to get tough now and call for Cheryl Gillan to resign so we can have a better MP to represent us. While we are talking resignations I think all of us who are affected by HS2 should also call on Justine Greening to resign too.
WOW. "All of us". That would be a very small number of people deciding who sits in the cabinet then. Mind you that is excatcly what happens. It's good to see that the Tory me me me attitude is still alive and well. Go up north and visit places like Hull, M'boro and Sunderland and you will see what your Blue chums have done to other parts of the country.
So who do you suggest could lead us into 'euphoria' then? Labour? Just look at what they did to this country over the last 12 - 13 years. Lib Dems? I doubt it as they dont seem to know what they are doing and have no experience at all, so who then?
[quote][p][bold]sparky49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: It is time to get tough now and call for Cheryl Gillan to resign so we can have a better MP to represent us. While we are talking resignations I think all of us who are affected by HS2 should also call on Justine Greening to resign too.[/p][/quote]WOW. "All of us". That would be a very small number of people deciding who sits in the cabinet then. Mind you that is excatcly what happens. It's good to see that the Tory me me me attitude is still alive and well. Go up north and visit places like Hull, M'boro and Sunderland and you will see what your Blue chums have done to other parts of the country.[/p][/quote]So who do you suggest could lead us into 'euphoria' then? Labour? Just look at what they did to this country over the last 12 - 13 years. Lib Dems? I doubt it as they dont seem to know what they are doing and have no experience at all, so who then? tigeran

12:02pm Mon 13 Feb 12

JOHNHEALY says...

Sparky49 and tigeran while I do want Cheryl Gillan and Justine Greening to resign, my stance on HS2 is not at all politically orientated so please do NOT infer that it might be. My views come from being a very experienced railway historian and due to that I know WE DEFINITELY NEED HS2 BUT USING A BETTER ROUTE.
Sparky49 and tigeran while I do want Cheryl Gillan and Justine Greening to resign, my stance on HS2 is not at all politically orientated so please do NOT infer that it might be. My views come from being a very experienced railway historian and due to that I know WE DEFINITELY NEED HS2 BUT USING A BETTER ROUTE. JOHNHEALY

12:40pm Mon 13 Feb 12

moonshot says...

Ok John........so what route do you propose then ??
Ok John........so what route do you propose then ?? moonshot

12:54pm Mon 13 Feb 12

kingsnewclothes says...

When everything else is being cut and slashed beyond recognition -- defence, health, social care, police, local authority services, pensions etc -- we really shouldn't be making transport the one special case by commiting £ 36 Billion at this time to build HS2. ....................
... In answer to Moonshot's question if we are to build a line there should be some effort to at least partly follow a transport corridor ( the M1 and M6 or the M40 being the obvious candidates ). Incremental blight and impact on the rural landscape would be much less. Speeds wouldn't be 250 mph but that would use less electricity and so what if it takes 95 mins to get to Manchester instead of 75 mins. Some tunelling needed under populated areas but there is tunelling under the current plans. I've not seen any evidence yet that this would cost more I suspect because the government and HS2 Ltd haven't bothered doing the work.
When everything else is being cut and slashed beyond recognition -- defence, health, social care, police, local authority services, pensions etc -- we really shouldn't be making transport the one special case by commiting £ 36 Billion at this time to build HS2. .................... ... In answer to Moonshot's question if we are to build a line there should be some effort to at least partly follow a transport corridor ( the M1 and M6 or the M40 being the obvious candidates ). Incremental blight and impact on the rural landscape would be much less. Speeds wouldn't be 250 mph but that would use less electricity and so what if it takes 95 mins to get to Manchester instead of 75 mins. Some tunelling needed under populated areas but there is tunelling under the current plans. I've not seen any evidence yet that this would cost more I suspect because the government and HS2 Ltd haven't bothered doing the work. kingsnewclothes

1:10pm Mon 13 Feb 12

padav says...

@Cressex Offender - surely you're aware by now that the advent of HS2 means the end of the world as we know it - armageddon - sky falling in and all that apocalypse stuff - I'd start panic buying at the local supermarket if I were you, Baked Beans have a long shelf-life?
@Cressex Offender - surely you're aware by now that the advent of HS2 means the end of the world as we know it - armageddon - sky falling in and all that apocalypse stuff - I'd start panic buying at the local supermarket if I were you, Baked Beans have a long shelf-life? padav

1:20pm Mon 13 Feb 12

padav says...

@kingsnewclothes - nice attempt (again) to deceive readers by infering that massive budget allocation is happening right NOW, diverting scarce resources during this period of austerity and public service cutbacks - this is a gross distortion of the facts - if we're looking for project to cancel right now - try CROSSRAIL instead! - Re: Alternative route - so your M1/M6 or M40 route alternatives would be conveniently NOWHERE NEAR YOU - by any chance? You've also omitted any explanation of this alternative route's implications in terms of the much larger number of individual houses / communities and businesses affected (check out where the M1/M6 runs and try fitting in a railway line bang next door to it! - of course they'd be different houses / communities / businesses and that's the real point here isn't it?
@kingsnewclothes - nice attempt (again) to deceive readers by infering that massive budget allocation is happening right NOW, diverting scarce resources during this period of austerity and public service cutbacks - this is a gross distortion of the facts - if we're looking for project to cancel right now - try CROSSRAIL instead! - Re: Alternative route - so your M1/M6 or M40 route alternatives would be conveniently NOWHERE NEAR YOU - by any chance? You've also omitted any explanation of this alternative route's implications in terms of the much larger number of individual houses / communities and businesses affected (check out where the M1/M6 runs and try fitting in a railway line bang next door to it! - of course they'd be different houses / communities / businesses and that's the real point here isn't it? padav

1:31pm Mon 13 Feb 12

padav says...

Great Missenden resident and former Tory councillor Keith Mikes: “We cannot understand why she has changed from opposition to HS2 to acceptance of the principle and only working for modest changes.” - in a nutshell this reveals the gulf in expectations involved here - apparently successfully lobbying Ministers/DfT/HS2 Ltd and securing extra tunnelling (on the part of the local MP), thereby effectively mitigating direct exposure to the line, is a "modest change" - there is simply no rational/reasonable debate to be engaged in when the single resolute goal of outright cancellation (or more practically, just moving the line somewhere else - anywhere will do!) remains on the table as a pre-condition of discussion.
Great Missenden resident and former Tory councillor Keith Mikes: “We cannot understand why she has changed from opposition to HS2 to acceptance of the principle and only working for modest changes.” - in a nutshell this reveals the gulf in expectations involved here - apparently successfully lobbying Ministers/DfT/HS2 Ltd and securing extra tunnelling (on the part of the local MP), thereby effectively mitigating direct exposure to the line, is a "modest change" - there is simply no rational/reasonable debate to be engaged in when the single resolute goal of outright cancellation (or more practically, just moving the line somewhere else - anywhere will do!) remains on the table as a pre-condition of discussion. padav

4:34pm Mon 13 Feb 12

kingsnewclothes says...

Padav you are wrong. The route could be changed and it would make not one jot of difference to me but I say again that the incremental blight from building along side a motorway would be much less than what is currently on the table ( I'm surprised you can't understand that concept ). Yes you tunnel under bits of Newport Pagnell and Luton , so what ? There is also plenty of scope for extra traffic . The issue here is the predetermination that we need a speed design of 250 mph , that is the main flaw . ..................
Of course the govt isn't spending £ 36 Billion now but it will be at something like £ 1 Billion before ground is broken. Then it will be £ 2 - £ 3 Billion per year for lots of year but more importantly the £ 36 Billion commitment will have been made to go on top of the £ 1 Trillion of government debt which is just not going down desperate the savage cuts everywhere else. It isn't a case of Transport being a special case it is a case of Transport being the ONLY special case.
Padav you are wrong. The route could be changed and it would make not one jot of difference to me but I say again that the incremental blight from building along side a motorway would be much less than what is currently on the table ( I'm surprised you can't understand that concept ). Yes you tunnel under bits of Newport Pagnell and Luton , so what ? There is also plenty of scope for extra traffic . The issue here is the predetermination that we need a speed design of 250 mph , that is the main flaw . .................. Of course the govt isn't spending £ 36 Billion now but it will be at something like £ 1 Billion before ground is broken. Then it will be £ 2 - £ 3 Billion per year for lots of year but more importantly the £ 36 Billion commitment will have been made to go on top of the £ 1 Trillion of government debt which is just not going down desperate the savage cuts everywhere else. It isn't a case of Transport being a special case it is a case of Transport being the ONLY special case. kingsnewclothes

6:45pm Mon 13 Feb 12

padav says...

Actually @kingsnewclothes - it is you who are wrong, bigtime - the fact that you cannot comprehend the additional level of disruption and blight resulting from a route alongside an existing motorway shows how far out of touch with this project you are! Building close to an exsiting transport corridor that has not had the necessary pathways pre-engineered into it, is a recipe for cost overrun and massive delay. Overall costs will probably end up greater than the currently predicted (very large) headline budget and we would see delay after delay on completion deadlines. Your hidden agenda is very clear - put obstacles in the way of the project in order that it becomes unworkable and is cancelled - by way can I suggest you canvass opinion about your idea for a much better route on the streets of Luton, Dunstable and Milton Keynes - but make sure you take some bodyguards with you, unless you are keen on hospital food?
Actually @kingsnewclothes - it is you who are wrong, bigtime - the fact that you cannot comprehend the additional level of disruption and blight resulting from a route alongside an existing motorway shows how far out of touch with this project you are! Building close to an exsiting transport corridor that has not had the necessary pathways pre-engineered into it, is a recipe for cost overrun and massive delay. Overall costs will probably end up greater than the currently predicted (very large) headline budget and we would see delay after delay on completion deadlines. Your hidden agenda is very clear - put obstacles in the way of the project in order that it becomes unworkable and is cancelled - by way can I suggest you canvass opinion about your idea for a much better route on the streets of Luton, Dunstable and Milton Keynes - but make sure you take some bodyguards with you, unless you are keen on hospital food? padav

10:37pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Chiltonian says...

@Marilyn Fletcher:

"Her constituents, however, are reasonable in expecting her to purchase another suitable home in the constituency at a time when they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.”

Marilyn you are clearly on a different planet. Planet fantasy!

Marilyn, read the HS2 consultation response report on page 108.

It states that, out of the whole of the UK, that only 215 people (YES, JUST 215 PEOPLE!) could be even bothered to mention Great Missenden.

I'll repeat this in the hope you will get it if I repeat it again: JUST 215 PEOPLE could be even bothered to mention Great Missenden.

Hardly the biggest thing since WW2 is it???????????
@Marilyn Fletcher: "Her constituents, however, are reasonable in expecting her to purchase another suitable home in the constituency at a time when they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.” Marilyn you are clearly on a different planet. Planet fantasy! Marilyn, read the HS2 consultation response report on page 108. It states that, out of the whole of the UK, that only 215 people (YES, JUST 215 PEOPLE!) could be even bothered to mention Great Missenden. I'll repeat this in the hope you will get it if I repeat it again: JUST 215 PEOPLE could be even bothered to mention Great Missenden. Hardly the biggest thing since WW2 is it??????????? Chiltonian

10:41pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Chiltonian says...

@James Nadal:
What ever made you use the title: "Upset villagers turn fire on under pressure MP Cheryl Gillan".

Upset villagers = Marilyn Fletcher?
@James Nadal: What ever made you use the title: "Upset villagers turn fire on under pressure MP Cheryl Gillan". Upset villagers = Marilyn Fletcher? Chiltonian

10:50pm Mon 13 Feb 12

Chiltonian says...

Surely this cant be the same Marilyn Fletcher BSc PhD from the Chiltern Countryside Group as described on the Chilterns Conservation Board website?

It cant be surely?

No, that Marilyn Fletcher was the key person demanding that too much spoil was being created in the Chilterns by HS2.

What that Marilyn demanded was much less spoil - through less tunnelling and less cuttings. No wonder she hates Gillan as it was Gillan got the local area more tunnelling (and more spoil).
Surely this cant be the same Marilyn Fletcher BSc PhD from the Chiltern Countryside Group as described on the Chilterns Conservation Board website? It cant be surely? No, that Marilyn Fletcher was the key person demanding that too much spoil was being created in the Chilterns by HS2. What that Marilyn demanded was much less spoil - through less tunnelling and less cuttings. No wonder she hates Gillan as it was Gillan got the local area more tunnelling (and more spoil). Chiltonian

11:02am Tue 14 Feb 12

Scarletto says...

There are countless thousands upset and affronted by Cheryl Gillan's conduct over the rail route. No doubt many are Conservative voters and/or party members.
She let them seriously down and acted shabbily. A promise seriously broken and then she acted badly. Court action is now starting against this rail scheme.
Ms Gillan has refused to comment fully on her actions and the outcome.
If another MP acted in this way Ms Gillan would be one of the first to condemn them for their awful conduct. Let her Conservative association deselect her soon. She may be defeated at the next election otherwise.
Many of her party members have campainged hard against the rail route don't forget. She betrayed us.
There are countless thousands upset and affronted by Cheryl Gillan's conduct over the rail route. No doubt many are Conservative voters and/or party members. She let them seriously down and acted shabbily. A promise seriously broken and then she acted badly. Court action is now starting against this rail scheme. Ms Gillan has refused to comment fully on her actions and the outcome. If another MP acted in this way Ms Gillan would be one of the first to condemn them for their awful conduct. Let her Conservative association deselect her soon. She may be defeated at the next election otherwise. Many of her party members have campainged hard against the rail route don't forget. She betrayed us. Scarletto

1:24pm Tue 14 Feb 12

padav says...

@Scarletto: "Let her Conservative association deselect her soon. She may be defeated at the next election otherwise.".........
..................an
d here we see a prime example of how reality quickly departs from the scene when it comes to discussions of this vexed topic - @Scarletto assures us that Ms Gillan "may be defeated" at the next election - here are the actual Chesham & Amersham constituency results for the last general election Conservative 31,658 - 60.4% Lib Dem 14,948 - 28.5% Labour 2,942 5.6% UKIP 2,129 4.1%
Green 767 1.5%
Given that Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties all endorse High Speed Rail as official policy, whilst UKIP and Greens oppose it - @Scarletto is boldly claiming that somehow more than 90% (diff. between combined totals of pro-HS2 party candidates and anti-HS2 party candidate gaining most votes in last election) of the local electorate will switch allegiance to an anti-HS2 candidate and defeat the incumbent, eg. Ms Gillan - in the bubble of unreality anti-HS2 campaigners inhabit this might be possible - for the other 99.9% living in the real world, this delusional approach is merely a source of endless amusement?
@Scarletto: "Let her Conservative association deselect her soon. She may be defeated at the next election otherwise."......... ..................an d here we see a prime example of how reality quickly departs from the scene when it comes to discussions of this vexed topic - @Scarletto assures us that Ms Gillan "may be defeated" at the next election - here are the actual Chesham & Amersham constituency results for the last general election Conservative 31,658 - 60.4% Lib Dem 14,948 - 28.5% Labour 2,942 5.6% UKIP 2,129 4.1% Green 767 1.5% Given that Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative parties all endorse High Speed Rail as official policy, whilst UKIP and Greens oppose it - @Scarletto is boldly claiming that somehow more than 90% (diff. between combined totals of pro-HS2 party candidates and anti-HS2 party candidate gaining most votes in last election) of the local electorate will switch allegiance to an anti-HS2 candidate and defeat the incumbent, eg. Ms Gillan - in the bubble of unreality anti-HS2 campaigners inhabit this might be possible - for the other 99.9% living in the real world, this delusional approach is merely a source of endless amusement? padav

1:30pm Tue 14 Feb 12

kingsnewclothes says...

So padav things that building close to an existing transport route is a recipe for cost overruns and massive delays. Total rubbish ! Why do you start getting so hysterical when anybody criticises the existing deeply flawed scheme ? I remember you once saying that if motorways had been built with a large gap down the middle then the line could be built there ! Also I think we could say that much of HS1 is along a transport corridor . ....................
.......... As for Luton, I used to live their so would be happy to take my chances. If there was a Thameslink connection there at least the local people who were effected would be able to use the line.
So padav things that building close to an existing transport route is a recipe for cost overruns and massive delays. Total rubbish ! Why do you start getting so hysterical when anybody criticises the existing deeply flawed scheme ? I remember you once saying that if motorways had been built with a large gap down the middle then the line could be built there ! Also I think we could say that much of HS1 is along a transport corridor . .................... .......... As for Luton, I used to live their so would be happy to take my chances. If there was a Thameslink connection there at least the local people who were effected would be able to use the line. kingsnewclothes

1:58pm Tue 14 Feb 12

miccles says...

kingsnewclothes wrote:
So padav things that building close to an existing transport route is a recipe for cost overruns and massive delays. Total rubbish ! Why do you start getting so hysterical when anybody criticises the existing deeply flawed scheme ? I remember you once saying that if motorways had been built with a large gap down the middle then the line could be built there ! Also I think we could say that much of HS1 is along a transport corridor . .................... .......... As for Luton, I used to live their so would be happy to take my chances. If there was a Thameslink connection there at least the local people who were effected would be able to use the line.
And you are??????

apart from another newbie who will disappear when this article dies down i presume.

"criticises the existing deeply flawed scheme"

Its only flawed because people like you who are against it are trying to get your own way on the arguement. its usually called "nit picking".

I can't really see something as important as this being flawed.

If people like you who "claimed" to know all the details of this project, right down to who was wearing what, and what they had to drink before the details were released, what are you doing posting comments on a newspaper website? surely it would be a bit low for you.
[quote][p][bold]kingsnewclothes[/bold] wrote: So padav things that building close to an existing transport route is a recipe for cost overruns and massive delays. Total rubbish ! Why do you start getting so hysterical when anybody criticises the existing deeply flawed scheme ? I remember you once saying that if motorways had been built with a large gap down the middle then the line could be built there ! Also I think we could say that much of HS1 is along a transport corridor . .................... .......... As for Luton, I used to live their so would be happy to take my chances. If there was a Thameslink connection there at least the local people who were effected would be able to use the line.[/p][/quote]And you are?????? apart from another newbie who will disappear when this article dies down i presume. "criticises the existing deeply flawed scheme" Its only flawed because people like you who are against it are trying to get your own way on the arguement. its usually called "nit picking". I can't really see something as important as this being flawed. If people like you who "claimed" to know all the details of this project, right down to who was wearing what, and what they had to drink before the details were released, what are you doing posting comments on a newspaper website? surely it would be a bit low for you. miccles

5:09pm Tue 14 Feb 12

Scarletto says...

Re "padav's" comments re mine about Ms Gillan. The only simple point I make is that IF Ms Gillan is a candidate next time so many loyal Conservative voters will recall how she shamefully welched on her promises to many thousands of people, pledging to oppose the rail route. She will be remembered. Chesham and Amersham and a few other seats in our region are those where even if you put up a stuffed chimp wearing a blue rosette it would almost certainly be elected! I, for one, will not support her and go house to house canvassing again. Remember how she quietly sold her Amersham home, near the route, and slipped away before the official green light announcement was made. A disgrace...
Re "padav's" comments re mine about Ms Gillan. The only simple point I make is that IF Ms Gillan is a candidate next time so many loyal Conservative voters will recall how she shamefully welched on her promises to many thousands of people, pledging to oppose the rail route. She will be remembered. Chesham and Amersham and a few other seats in our region are those where even if you put up a stuffed chimp wearing a blue rosette it would almost certainly be elected! I, for one, will not support her and go house to house canvassing again. Remember how she quietly sold her Amersham home, near the route, and slipped away before the official green light announcement was made. A disgrace... Scarletto

11:09pm Tue 14 Feb 12

padav says...

@kingsnewclothes - do you actually read my posts through before a knee-jerk response kicks in..................
read my words again and consider their importance - here they are again "Building close to an exsiting transport corridor that has not had the necessary pathways pre-engineered into it, is a recipe for cost overrun and massive delay" - what do you think I meant by "pre- engineered pathway" actually means in this context - go on work it out for yourself!
@kingsnewclothes - do you actually read my posts through before a knee-jerk response kicks in.................. read my words again and consider their importance - here they are again "Building close to an exsiting transport corridor that has not had the necessary pathways pre-engineered into it, is a recipe for cost overrun and massive delay" - what do you think I meant by "pre- engineered pathway" actually means in this context - go on work it out for yourself! padav

11:19pm Tue 14 Feb 12

Chiltonian says...

Kingsnewclothes simply prefers the "put it somewhere else as long as it isn't here - and sod the people in Luton, Milton Keynes and Northampton" option.

I think padav has answered the question over and over.
Kingsnewclothes simply prefers the "put it somewhere else as long as it isn't here - and sod the people in Luton, Milton Keynes and Northampton" option. I think padav has answered the question over and over. Chiltonian

11:24pm Tue 14 Feb 12

padav says...

@Scarletto - and the point I've made (which you have conveniently side-stepped) is the fact that the UK's arcane First Past The Post (FPTP) voting system means your original claim is complete and utter bunkem - if you really want to make a positive and lasting contribution towards a better kind of society, join the campaign to reform the UK's anachronistic voting system. Ironically, if common sense (rather than media fuelled ignorance) had prevailed in last May's referendum and the Alternative Vote had become the voting system in place for the 2015 General Election, the chances of consolidating anti-HS2 sentiment would be infinitely enhanced, boosting your campaign's chances of unseating Ms. Gillan - as it is, any notion of overturning Ms. Gillan's nigh on impregnable majority using the incumbent Single Member Plurality method is, quite frankly, laughable!
@Scarletto - and the point I've made (which you have conveniently side-stepped) is the fact that the UK's arcane First Past The Post (FPTP) voting system means your original claim is complete and utter bunkem - if you really want to make a positive and lasting contribution towards a better kind of society, join the campaign to reform the UK's anachronistic voting system. Ironically, if common sense (rather than media fuelled ignorance) had prevailed in last May's referendum and the Alternative Vote had become the voting system in place for the 2015 General Election, the chances of consolidating anti-HS2 sentiment would be infinitely enhanced, boosting your campaign's chances of unseating Ms. Gillan - as it is, any notion of overturning Ms. Gillan's nigh on impregnable majority using the incumbent Single Member Plurality method is, quite frankly, laughable! padav

10:39pm Thu 16 Feb 12

Chiltonian says...

Nick1042 wrote:
piran wrote:
".... When they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.”
What a complete load of tosh.

Obviously "Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher" is living in a fantsay world of exaggeration. Mind you she probably has a very nice house and a comfortable income so having a national asset to help build the national economy running under you in a tunnel must be like having the Nazis invade! Unemployment, poverty and poor health do not seem to bother her.
Although I feel Marilyn Fletcher's statement is a tad over the top, you know nothing about her personal circumstances so please stop stereotyping, something you seem to do over and over in your posts. Not everybody in Bucks have fantastic salaries and big houses.
Yes, unlike the HS2 route - Marilyn is certainly a tad over the top (surface) in the Chilterns.

She spent her whole time arguing about construction spoil now she is complaining over less spoil.

Its a topsy turvy Marilyn World
[quote][p][bold]Nick1042[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piran[/bold] wrote: ".... When they are living with the biggest challenge the area has faced since World War 2.” What a complete load of tosh. Obviously "Great Missenden resident Marilyn Fletcher" is living in a fantsay world of exaggeration. Mind you she probably has a very nice house and a comfortable income so having a national asset to help build the national economy running under you in a tunnel must be like having the Nazis invade! Unemployment, poverty and poor health do not seem to bother her.[/p][/quote]Although I feel Marilyn Fletcher's statement is a tad over the top, you know nothing about her personal circumstances so please stop stereotyping, something you seem to do over and over in your posts. Not everybody in Bucks have fantastic salaries and big houses.[/p][/quote]Yes, unlike the HS2 route - Marilyn is certainly a tad over the top (surface) in the Chilterns. She spent her whole time arguing about construction spoil now she is complaining over less spoil. Its a topsy turvy Marilyn World Chiltonian

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