Marlow traders angry over scheme 'exclusion' (From Bucks Free Press)

Oh come on Mr McCready you know how it works. The biggest bird will line its own nest first. Its your job to represent Marlow in calling for some of the off spill but that is all you will be getting.Sue Robinson says some of the money will be available to areas other than HW so keep shouting but dont expect too much. The nature of politics I guess.

Marlow is full of nothing. It's own snobbery has let it down. You can't slag off H W one minute and then moan about not being included the next.
There is NOTHING in Marlow that would attract shoppers and neither is there liikely to be.
So unless you get some shops that people actually want to buy stuff from this will not change.

We are the same district.

There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit.

Both benefit.

demoness wrote:
Marlow is full of nothing. It's own snobbery has let it down. You can't slag off H W one minute and then moan about not being included the next. There is NOTHING in Marlow that would attract shoppers and neither is there liikely to be. So unless you get some shops that people actually want to buy stuff from this will not change.

Actually, theres the farmers market every sunday morning. That seems to attract quite a few people, myself included.

One of the few places that sells stuff I need. I have all the shoes and posh frocks I want (i.e. none) and I'm sure one, or at most two opticians could correct the entire town's eysight problems.

Plus ça change... wrote:
We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

Totally do not agree!

Marlow would leap into Berkshire tomorrow ( if it existed as strictly speaking it doesn't as it is all unitary authorities there now).
In fact - I wish it would B***er off into another county.

demoness wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

Totally do not agree! Marlow would leap into Berkshire tomorrow ( if it existed as strictly speaking it doesn't as it is all unitary authorities there now). In fact - I wish it would B***er off into another county.

I doubt that would happen. We'd lose the sacred grammar schools and house prices would fall.

Plus ça change... wrote:
We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

As Marlow has a SL postcode, shouldn't it be asking Slough Council or money?

Voyeur wrote:
As Marlow has a SL postcode, shouldn't it be asking Slough Council or money?

No, because it is in Wycombe District.

Voyeur wrote:
As Marlow has a SL postcode, shouldn't it be asking Slough Council or money?

our taxes go to WYCOMBE DC

678 wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

Name 5 shops that Marlow has that are busy and people want to shop in.

You do have aWhittards I grant you that..

demoness wrote:

678 wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

Name 5 shops that Marlow has that are busy and people want to shop in. You do have aWhittards I grant you that..

How about....
Boots, Waitrose, WH Smith, Sainsburies Local, SuperDrug

Theres 5 for you

Whittards closed down ages ago.

tom.marlow wrote:

demoness wrote:

678 wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

Name 5 shops that Marlow has that are busy and people want to shop in. You do have aWhittards I grant you that..

How about.... Boots, Waitrose, WH Smith, Sainsburies Local, SuperDrug Theres 5 for you Whittards closed down ages ago.

but they are all chains..
Nothing new or interesting there - HW has got all of those.
Whittards closed down??
Does that not tell you something?

Marlow has independent retailers and businesses like Wycombe - there are just less of them that's all.

I think , in my humble opinion, that Marlow should get pro rata support or whatever encouragement / stimulation is economically viable.

And (eventually) I guess they will.

Sorry demoness but I consider this to be a not an unreasonable request by the retailers in Marlow (but not necessarily applying to all the 'posh frock' shops or the larger chains)

Regards

demoness wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote:
We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

Totally do not agree!

Marlow would leap into Berkshire tomorrow ( if it existed as strictly speaking it doesn't as it is all unitary authorities there now).
In fact - I wish it would B***er off into another county.

No! They already ruined the Thames's status as border when they transferred Eton and Datchet to Berks. At least the Thames still forms part of our southern boundary.

And shall I be pedantic? Berkshire does exist in a strange way, as it is the only non-metropolitan county in England without a county council...

I know too much about local government! :(

Voyeur wrote:
As Marlow has a SL postcode, shouldn't it be asking Slough Council or money?

Wycombe has a HP postcode, so I suppose we should bow down to Hemel Hempstead! lol

demoness wrote:

tom.marlow wrote:

demoness wrote:

678 wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

Name 5 shops that Marlow has that are busy and people want to shop in. You do have aWhittards I grant you that..

How about.... Boots, Waitrose, WH Smith, Sainsburies Local, SuperDrug Theres 5 for you Whittards closed down ages ago.

but they are all chains.. Nothing new or interesting there - HW has got all of those. Whittards closed down?? Does that not tell you something?

you are starting to sound like the fat man

tom.marlow wrote:

demoness wrote:

tom.marlow wrote:

demoness wrote:

678 wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

Name 5 shops that Marlow has that are busy and people want to shop in. You do have aWhittards I grant you that..

How about.... Boots, Waitrose, WH Smith, Sainsburies Local, SuperDrug Theres 5 for you Whittards closed down ages ago.

but they are all chains.. Nothing new or interesting there - HW has got all of those. Whittards closed down?? Does that not tell you something?

you are starting to sound like the fat man

PAH!!

I made a valid point about the lack of good shops in Marlow. Only because marlovians are always twittering on about their poor beleaguered town.
They have a town council do they not?
They want it all ways - on the one hand they despise Wycombe - OMG the great unwashed!
Then they moan when they are not 'supported' by the council that they despise.
Can't have it all ways....

demoness wrote:

678 wrote:

Plus ça change... wrote: We are the same district. There should be more consideration of marketing Wycombe and Marlow as a unit. Both benefit.

I totally agree. I think that Wycombe should get more money, but Marlow should get some. Sue Robinson is lying saying we get 4k for the farmers market, when they PAY RENT TO WYCOMBE!!!!!! Demoness you bitterness astounds me. Of course Marlow has shops people want to shop in, if it didn't we would have as many empty shops as High Wycombe.

Name 5 shops that Marlow has that are busy and people want to shop in. You do have aWhittards I grant you that..

Ok DEAMONESS, Independant shops...Joleiffs, Plume, Turners, Saddle Safari, Marlow Toys, Landmark, Evisa, Manzuma, Boraca, Mekong, Feathers, Nicki's, Hunts, Swish, Hewetts. Need I go on? there are lots more. Try doing that for Wycombe without counting pounds shops.

Marlow678.
I am just about to get an award for the saddest person of the decade!
I tried googling a few of those shops but they do not even have their own website which seems incredible in this day and age..
My point is though, the ones that I did manage to google have nothing that is not already sold in the large department stores - Turners being a case in point. There is nothing in Marlow that you cannot get in Wycombe, or Watford, or even Maidenhead.You may have small independents but they are not selling anything different from the House of Fraser or John Lewis.
Re the quip about pound shops.
Perhaps Marlow could do with one or two of them. You are very disparaging but I am sure there are people in Marlow who are not so prosperous and could do with a pound shop or two.

Sadly what appears to have happened is that Marlow and its designer shops has been superceded by Eden . That is what the Chamber of Commerce is saying.
But you did it to yourselves Marlow - you refused any attempt by Waitrose a few years ago to expand saying that it would effect the independents.
Foolish foolish nimbys - look whats happened now!

demoness wrote:
Marlow678. I am just about to get an award for the saddest person of the decade! I tried googling a few of those shops but they do not even have their own website which seems incredible in this day and age.. My point is though, the ones that I did manage to google have nothing that is not already sold in the large department stores - Turners being a case in point. There is nothing in Marlow that you cannot get in Wycombe, or Watford, or even Maidenhead.You may have small independents but they are not selling anything different from the House of Fraser or John Lewis. Re the quip about pound shops. Perhaps Marlow could do with one or two of them. You are very disparaging but I am sure there are people in Marlow who are not so prosperous and could do with a pound shop or two. Sadly what appears to have happened is that Marlow and its designer shops has been superceded by Eden . That is what the Chamber of Commerce is saying. But you did it to yourselves Marlow - you refused any attempt by Waitrose a few years ago to expand saying that it would effect the independents. Foolish foolish nimbys - look whats happened now!

www.evisagifts.com

www.boraca.co.uk

www.sputniksnowboard
shop.com

www.mekongboutique.c
om

www.sunflowerframing
.co.uk

You didn't try very hard did you! plenty of stuff there you can't get in Wycombe.

678 wrote:

demoness wrote: Marlow678. I am just about to get an award for the saddest person of the decade! I tried googling a few of those shops but they do not even have their own website which seems incredible in this day and age.. My point is though, the ones that I did manage to google have nothing that is not already sold in the large department stores - Turners being a case in point. There is nothing in Marlow that you cannot get in Wycombe, or Watford, or even Maidenhead.You may have small independents but they are not selling anything different from the House of Fraser or John Lewis. Re the quip about pound shops. Perhaps Marlow could do with one or two of them. You are very disparaging but I am sure there are people in Marlow who are not so prosperous and could do with a pound shop or two. Sadly what appears to have happened is that Marlow and its designer shops has been superceded by Eden . That is what the Chamber of Commerce is saying. But you did it to yourselves Marlow - you refused any attempt by Waitrose a few years ago to expand saying that it would effect the independents. Foolish foolish nimbys - look whats happened now!

www.evisagifts.com www.boraca.co.uk www.sputniksnowboard shop.com www.mekongboutique.c om www.sunflowerframing .co.uk You didn't try very hard did you! plenty of stuff there you can't get in Wycombe.

you are right - I am now going to check those sites out and will report back to you lol!

And she's back.....
Snowboarding - have a big shop in Wycombe selling all that stuff.
boracca - we have Beadle and crome which has been in the town for generations and sells beautiful furniture.
Evissa and mekong - no I grant you that we do not have individual gift shops BUT we do have the House of fraser which are shops within shops and do contain an art gallery, pen shop, handbag and wallet collection and a huge variety of designer jewelry as well as selling all sorts of quirky gifts.

I am pretty sure that we have a picture framing shop in Wycombe too.

However I will grant you this - we do not have a toy shop and that is a shame - so a point for your side.

We also have a darn good deli in Castle Street as well as the wonderful Ruby Moon.
Oh and our market is good as well.
Sorry - Wycombe wins...

I didnt think this was a competition. You've wriggled away from your original postion that there was nothing of value in Marlow.

Wycombe is a lot bigger so the number and diversity of shops is bound to be bigger. Reading is better still.

HoF just sells stuff to the gullible who will pay over the odds for the label.

tom.marlow wrote:
I didnt think this was a competition. You've wriggled away from your original postion that there was nothing of value in Marlow. Wycombe is a lot bigger so the number and diversity of shops is bound to be bigger. Reading is better still. HoF just sells stuff to the gullible who will pay over the odds for the label.

No I haven't -I just got distracted.
My point is and will be - Marlow has nothing of value to attract shoppers in because other towns have it already.
And as for the Hof F remark - have you checked the websites that have been cited here?
All of those shops sell stuff that can be brought in the house of Fraser so therefore they are just as guilty.

ok well london and reading has everything wycombe has so going by your logic why bother with wycombe. You were asking about independant shops so you can't use house of fraiser as part of your arguement. Marlow wins. Lots of our shops sell things you can't get anywhere else. House of Fraser are in lots of towns but many of our shops are one offs, which are busy and doing well. I for one think that should be protected and I support them, much better than a load of chains...like HoF.

demoness wrote:

tom.marlow wrote: I didnt think this was a competition. You've wriggled away from your original postion that there was nothing of value in Marlow. Wycombe is a lot bigger so the number and diversity of shops is bound to be bigger. Reading is better still. HoF just sells stuff to the gullible who will pay over the odds for the label.

No I haven't -I just got distracted. My point is and will be - Marlow has nothing of value to attract shoppers in because other towns have it already. And as for the Hof F remark - have you checked the websites that have been cited here? All of those shops sell stuff that can be brought in the house of Fraser so therefore they are just as guilty.

this is cut and paste from the Mekong website I posted earlier....


All our items are manufactured for us, using the best quality materials by local craftsmen. This site includes a small selection of our most popular pieces but due to the fact that many of our products are one off custom items, many things are only available from our showroom in Marlow,Buckinghamshi
re

678 wrote:
ok well london and reading has everything wycombe has so going by your logic why bother with wycombe. You were asking about independant shops so you can't use house of fraiser as part of your arguement. Marlow wins. Lots of our shops sell things you can't get anywhere else. House of Fraser are in lots of towns but many of our shops are one offs, which are busy and doing well. I for one think that should be protected and I support them, much better than a load of chains...like HoF.

So given all that this is true, why is the chamber of trade in Marlow saying that Marlow is struggling financially? Why are they saying that there are loads of empty shops?
And when was the last time you visited the Hof F because they sell all sorts of weird and wonderful things in there..
The fact is yes,while lots of your shops may well sell things that you can't buy anywhere else, this is not what the average shopper needs or wants.

...from a survey of 1.

678 wrote:
...from a survey of 1.

You haven't answered my question...

if Marlow is doing so well. why is it's Chamber of Trade concerned about its financial status?
Perhaps I am wrong and it sells everything that the average shopper wants....

so in that case, Marlow does not need WDC's help so why are they moaning?

demoness wrote:

678 wrote: ok well london and reading has everything wycombe has so going by your logic why bother with wycombe. You were asking about independant shops so you can't use house of fraiser as part of your arguement. Marlow wins. Lots of our shops sell things you can't get anywhere else. House of Fraser are in lots of towns but many of our shops are one offs, which are busy and doing well. I for one think that should be protected and I support them, much better than a load of chains...like HoF.

So given all that this is true, why is the chamber of trade in Marlow saying that Marlow is struggling financially? Why are they saying that there are loads of empty shops? And when was the last time you visited the Hof F because they sell all sorts of weird and wonderful things in there.. The fact is yes,while lots of your shops may well sell things that you can't buy anywhere else, this is not what the average shopper needs or wants.

Thats true and I've been saying that for ages.

I was taking issue with your original statement "There is NOTHING in Marlow that would attract shoppers and neither is there liikely to be."

That is manifestly untrue as my orginal comment mentioning boots, wh smith etc demonstrates.

The retail sector in marlow is pretty messed up at the moment, but its worth avoiding letting your absurd prejudice against the whole of marlow distort your normally astute observations.

to protect what we do have. Why not spend a little to stop a problem occuring instead of waiting till it does and having to spend a lot! Take Wycombe as a good example, they took too long to act, maybe if this money was spent earlier then they might not haveneeded half a million quid, of tax payers money! (horses , stable doors anyone?)

tom.marlow wrote:

demoness wrote:

678 wrote: ok well london and reading has everything wycombe has so going by your logic why bother with wycombe. You were asking about independant shops so you can't use house of fraiser as part of your arguement. Marlow wins. Lots of our shops sell things you can't get anywhere else. House of Fraser are in lots of towns but many of our shops are one offs, which are busy and doing well. I for one think that should be protected and I support them, much better than a load of chains...like HoF.

So given all that this is true, why is the chamber of trade in Marlow saying that Marlow is struggling financially? Why are they saying that there are loads of empty shops? And when was the last time you visited the Hof F because they sell all sorts of weird and wonderful things in there.. The fact is yes,while lots of your shops may well sell things that you can't buy anywhere else, this is not what the average shopper needs or wants.

Thats true and I've been saying that for ages. I was taking issue with your original statement "There is NOTHING in Marlow that would attract shoppers and neither is there liikely to be." That is manifestly untrue as my orginal comment mentioning boots, wh smith etc demonstrates. The retail sector in marlow is pretty messed up at the moment, but its worth avoiding letting your absurd prejudice against the whole of marlow distort your normally astute observations.

*blushes*
Well I know that I do have an unexplainable contempt for the town and that is a fair comment.

678 wrote:
to protect what we do have. Why not spend a little to stop a problem occuring instead of waiting till it does and having to spend a lot! Take Wycombe as a good example, they took too long to act, maybe if this money was spent earlier then they might not haveneeded half a million quid, of tax payers money! (horses , stable doors anyone?)

The trouble is though - and this is the crux. We are in a recession, much of the stuff sold in Marlow could be termed as a luxury item and we do live in a throwaway society.
Take Primark as an example ( and no I do not like primark). It sells comparable fashion at ridiculously cheap prices. So it only lasts a few months - people don't care - it is the age we live in.
Therefore these poor independent shops don't have a chance - not whilst stores like Furniture Village and DFS sell similar furniture for half the price at 0% finance.
I actually do not know what the answer is - the money is not there at the moment and the public are getting cheaper alternatives,
And ranting aside, it is a shame..

demoness wrote:

678 wrote: to protect what we do have. Why not spend a little to stop a problem occuring instead of waiting till it does and having to spend a lot! Take Wycombe as a good example, they took too long to act, maybe if this money was spent earlier then they might not haveneeded half a million quid, of tax payers money! (horses , stable doors anyone?)

The trouble is though - and this is the crux. We are in a recession, much of the stuff sold in Marlow could be termed as a luxury item and we do live in a throwaway society. Take Primark as an example ( and no I do not like primark). It sells comparable fashion at ridiculously cheap prices. So it only lasts a few months - people don't care - it is the age we live in. Therefore these poor independent shops don't have a chance - not whilst stores like Furniture Village and DFS sell similar furniture for half the price at 0% finance. I actually do not know what the answer is - the money is not there at the moment and the public are getting cheaper alternatives, And ranting aside, it is a shame..

Thats pretty much spot-on smiley.

I'd go further than that... At a personal level (and I'm sure many people share this) I've actually got enough stuff. I dont really need a lot of new stuff at the moment so I'm not going to buy it. I'd rather pay off the mortgage.

There are essentials, like food, that you need to carry on buying, but expensive clothes, shoes, spectacles, etc. no. I know its a sweeping generalisation, but the shops in Marlow are selling the wrong stuff. For me at least.

tom.marlow wrote:

demoness wrote:

678 wrote: to protect what we do have. Why not spend a little to stop a problem occuring instead of waiting till it does and having to spend a lot! Take Wycombe as a good example, they took too long to act, maybe if this money was spent earlier then they might not haveneeded half a million quid, of tax payers money! (horses , stable doors anyone?)

The trouble is though - and this is the crux. We are in a recession, much of the stuff sold in Marlow could be termed as a luxury item and we do live in a throwaway society. Take Primark as an example ( and no I do not like primark). It sells comparable fashion at ridiculously cheap prices. So it only lasts a few months - people don't care - it is the age we live in. Therefore these poor independent shops don't have a chance - not whilst stores like Furniture Village and DFS sell similar furniture for half the price at 0% finance. I actually do not know what the answer is - the money is not there at the moment and the public are getting cheaper alternatives, And ranting aside, it is a shame..

Thats pretty much spot-on smiley. I'd go further than that... At a personal level (and I'm sure many people share this) I've actually got enough stuff. I dont really need a lot of new stuff at the moment so I'm not going to buy it. I'd rather pay off the mortgage. There are essentials, like food, that you need to carry on buying, but expensive clothes, shoes, spectacles, etc. no. I know its a sweeping generalisation, but the shops in Marlow are selling the wrong stuff. For me at least.

I love stuff... thats the problem....
My credit card likes me having stuff as well.. :(

And in all seriousness - IF Marlow did have a couple of chain stores, it would bring the customers in and then they may stay and look at the other things as well.
The other point is of course, the internet - you can just about get anything on there...