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7:00am Sunday 7th February 2010 in
TRADERS close to the soon to be closed Waitrose store fear “months of potential chaos” when the Sainsbury's redevelopment takes place.
Work on Sainsbury's new store in West Street is expected to begin in early summer but could take months or even a year to complete.
Worried shop owners expect the closure to knock down sales with fewer customers walking past their stores.
Nikki Williams Gray, owner of clothes retailer Nikki's, in West Street said: “Having had a shop opposite for 25 years I think to not have a supermarket for potentially 18 months is not going to be good for Marlow.
“I think the extra traffic, lorries, construction work is not going to be good for West Street.”
Mrs Williams Gray, who was Marlow Chamber of Trade's first first female president in the early 1990s, said: “I think it's a shame that we're losing Waitrose as a position because it's a lovely shop to shop in.
“I'm sure Sainsbury's will be lovely when it arrives but I think we'll have 18 months of potential chaos.”
She added: “It's the time frame of an empty supermarket at the top of the High Street and West Street, it will be interesting whether our rates will be reduced as a shopkeeper but I'm sure we won't be getting any compensation.”
Richard Glover, 42, Marlow Bottom, shop manager at Trademark in West Street, said: “ I think it will be a bad thing, particularly for the independent traders in the town.
“The multi-chains obviously have other outlets to spread the costs.
“We are bang opposite, in a prime position and some of our largest sales have come from people standing at the checkouts over there, so it's definitely a good site for us.
“The trouble is when people get into habits they sometimes don't go back to their previous habits.
“If people particularly like Waitrose and go to shop in somewhere like Beaconsfield they might decided let's shop in that town, so it's definitely a worry.”
Elias Kheir, owner of Cedar Coffee Shop in West Street, said: “It's going to affect the business because people coming shopping to Waitrsoe come in here before and after going there.
"If it's closing for one year we will lose quite a few customers.”
Therapy part will also suffer, they said.
Becky Simmons, manager at Bump and Baby in West Street, said: “It could affect trade and in the current climate it's not good.
"Quite often customers have been to Waitrose when they come in here.”
Conversely, Waitrose's switch to its new site in Liston Road could benefit shopkeepers only yards away from West Street, Spittal Street shop owners say.
Adam Marlow and Tish McDonald, co-owners of oriental boutique Mekong, said having a new supermarket nearer to their store will increase footfall and benefit businesses in their sector.
Miss McDonald said it was a relief that at least one big supermarket would remain in the town.
Before Waitrose announced its new development at the vacant Chapel House offices, Marlow faced a period of having no large food stores.
Miss McDonald said:“We potentially could have lost a lot of people who would have travelled to other supermarkets outside the town and they might not have come back.”
Mr Marlow said: “We are really glad they're moving because it's closer to our shop.
"We're glad we're keeping Waitrose and we're gaining another supermarket and also we're glad there's not going to be a gap even when they're refurbishing the site.”
However, Mr Marlow, the retail spokesman for Marlow Chamber of Trade, said he sympathised with fellow businessmen in West Street.
“Once Sainsbury's is open I'm sure they'll be happy, it's a bigger store and will draw more people in but it's a long time in business for people,” he said.
“When they agreed their rents there was Waitrose there and now there's going to be nothing.”
Sainsbury's spokesman Paul Vicary said:"Sainsbury's is looking forward to developing and occupying the West Street store as soon as possible, although various legal agreements need to be completed before formal planning permission is granted and a construction programme and start date is finalised."
Comments(29)
tom.marlow
says...
9:17am Sun 7 Feb 10
678
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11:24am Sun 7 Feb 10
demoness wrote:maybe if you got a job Demoness instead of writing bitter vitriol on here all day you could afford to treat yourself in one of our lovely shops. I don't think its fair for you to knock people who are just trying to make a living.
For the love of God - please please please stop with the moaning and the griping. If all you depend on is passing trade from supermarket shoppers then you really have to question whether your prices are reasonable and if you are selling things people want. Because if you are, no amount of disruption will change that. Bump and Baby - I have just been on their website. What sort of idiot would pay £40 for a baby's dress? Especially when they can go to one of the supermarkets or chain shops and get something just as lovely for a lot cheaper. It's a funny thing about babies - they do not have control over their bodily functions and most parents will tell you that you have to take at least one change of outfit with you when going out. And they tend to grow quickly as well so that lovely £40 dress will be useless in a couple of months. Oh and get this - £150 for a leather changing bag! Well I am not surprised you are struggling. But perhaps the ordinary Mum on the street is not the market you are looking for. Never mind, Marlow is full of nouveau riche - I am sure they will still come, just so they can dress their poor children up in designer crap and then boast about how different they look. A big fat LOL! Now I will wait for the patron saint of Marlow, 678 to rush to the defence. :)
BigTommy
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2:02pm Sun 7 Feb 10
demoness
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2:47pm Sun 7 Feb 10
678 wrote:Oh, am I unemployed? I didn't realise - whoops I suppose that place where I work 40 plus hours a week in doesn't exist!
demoness wrote: For the love of God - please please please stop with the moaning and the griping. If all you depend on is passing trade from supermarket shoppers then you really have to question whether your prices are reasonable and if you are selling things people want. Because if you are, no amount of disruption will change that. Bump and Baby - I have just been on their website. What sort of idiot would pay £40 for a baby's dress? Especially when they can go to one of the supermarkets or chain shops and get something just as lovely for a lot cheaper. It's a funny thing about babies - they do not have control over their bodily functions and most parents will tell you that you have to take at least one change of outfit with you when going out. And they tend to grow quickly as well so that lovely £40 dress will be useless in a couple of months. Oh and get this - £150 for a leather changing bag! Well I am not surprised you are struggling. But perhaps the ordinary Mum on the street is not the market you are looking for. Never mind, Marlow is full of nouveau riche - I am sure they will still come, just so they can dress their poor children up in designer crap and then boast about how different they look. A big fat LOL! Now I will wait for the patron saint of Marlow, 678 to rush to the defence. :)maybe if you got a job Demoness instead of writing bitter vitriol on here all day you could afford to treat yourself in one of our lovely shops. I don't think its fair for you to knock people who are just trying to make a living.
J B Blackett
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3:00pm Sun 7 Feb 10
678
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3:05pm Sun 7 Feb 10
demoness wrote:touched a nerve?
678 wrote:Oh, am I unemployed? I didn't realise - whoops I suppose that place where I work 40 plus hours a week in doesn't exist! LOL you are a bit of a t**t really aren't you? You make the assumption that because I run your paltry little town down, I must be someone who cannot afford to shop there. Well sorry to disappoint you darling but I work very hard - I just don't believe in wasting my money on over priced tat. :))demoness wrote: For the love of God - please please please stop with the moaning and the griping. If all you depend on is passing trade from supermarket shoppers then you really have to question whether your prices are reasonable and if you are selling things people want. Because if you are, no amount of disruption will change that. Bump and Baby - I have just been on their website. What sort of idiot would pay £40 for a baby's dress? Especially when they can go to one of the supermarkets or chain shops and get something just as lovely for a lot cheaper. It's a funny thing about babies - they do not have control over their bodily functions and most parents will tell you that you have to take at least one change of outfit with you when going out. And they tend to grow quickly as well so that lovely £40 dress will be useless in a couple of months. Oh and get this - £150 for a leather changing bag! Well I am not surprised you are struggling. But perhaps the ordinary Mum on the street is not the market you are looking for. Never mind, Marlow is full of nouveau riche - I am sure they will still come, just so they can dress their poor children up in designer crap and then boast about how different they look. A big fat LOL! Now I will wait for the patron saint of Marlow, 678 to rush to the defence. :)maybe if you got a job Demoness instead of writing bitter vitriol on here all day you could afford to treat yourself in one of our lovely shops. I don't think its fair for you to knock people who are just trying to make a living.
demoness
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3:13pm Sun 7 Feb 10
678 wrote:Err no, just pointing out that I am indeed lucky enough to have a job,.
demoness wrote:touched a nerve?678 wrote:Oh, am I unemployed? I didn't realise - whoops I suppose that place where I work 40 plus hours a week in doesn't exist! LOL you are a bit of a t**t really aren't you? You make the assumption that because I run your paltry little town down, I must be someone who cannot afford to shop there. Well sorry to disappoint you darling but I work very hard - I just don't believe in wasting my money on over priced tat. :))demoness wrote: For the love of God - please please please stop with the moaning and the griping. If all you depend on is passing trade from supermarket shoppers then you really have to question whether your prices are reasonable and if you are selling things people want. Because if you are, no amount of disruption will change that. Bump and Baby - I have just been on their website. What sort of idiot would pay £40 for a baby's dress? Especially when they can go to one of the supermarkets or chain shops and get something just as lovely for a lot cheaper. It's a funny thing about babies - they do not have control over their bodily functions and most parents will tell you that you have to take at least one change of outfit with you when going out. And they tend to grow quickly as well so that lovely £40 dress will be useless in a couple of months. Oh and get this - £150 for a leather changing bag! Well I am not surprised you are struggling. But perhaps the ordinary Mum on the street is not the market you are looking for. Never mind, Marlow is full of nouveau riche - I am sure they will still come, just so they can dress their poor children up in designer crap and then boast about how different they look. A big fat LOL! Now I will wait for the patron saint of Marlow, 678 to rush to the defence. :)maybe if you got a job Demoness instead of writing bitter vitriol on here all day you could afford to treat yourself in one of our lovely shops. I don't think its fair for you to knock people who are just trying to make a living.
demoness
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3:24pm Sun 7 Feb 10
J B Blackett wrote:I HATE the place JB. It is an irrational hatred perhaps but a real one.
A bit harsh, d. And OTT. . What have the lovely folk of beautiful done to upset you ? Is it something that happening to you in the past ? . Was it a misplaced traffic cone , a surly Waitrose shop check-out , a charity or expensive dress shop that didn't have what you were looking for , a calamitous ex-relationship with a Marvolian ( are there voles in Marlow ?). . It surely can't be , like a few people opine , because Marlow people are "too far up themselves" (ie 'supersupository') . What is it ? What ,What, What ? Please tell. And then perhaps we can help in some small way. Regards.
stubbs7
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6:11pm Sun 7 Feb 10
demoness wrote:have to agree with you d poor buisiness plan if all they really on is passing trade from people either going or coming from doing their weekly shop.
For the love of God - please please please stop with the moaning and the griping. If all you depend on is passing trade from supermarket shoppers then you really have to question whether your prices are reasonable and if you are selling things people want. Because if you are, no amount of disruption will change that. Bump and Baby - I have just been on their website. What sort of idiot would pay £40 for a baby's dress? Especially when they can go to one of the supermarkets or chain shops and get something just as lovely for a lot cheaper. It's a funny thing about babies - they do not have control over their bodily functions and most parents will tell you that you have to take at least one change of outfit with you when going out. And they tend to grow quickly as well so that lovely £40 dress will be useless in a couple of months. Oh and get this - £150 for a leather changing bag! Well I am not surprised you are struggling. But perhaps the ordinary Mum on the street is not the market you are looking for. Never mind, Marlow is full of nouveau riche - I am sure they will still come, just so they can dress their poor children up in designer crap and then boast about how different they look. A big fat LOL! Now I will wait for the patron saint of Marlow, 678 to rush to the defence. :)
J B Blackett
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6:27pm Sun 7 Feb 10
demoness wrote:I think I understand, d. I too used to have an irrational and unexplained fear.
J B Blackett wrote:I HATE the place JB. It is an irrational hatred perhaps but a real one.
A bit harsh, d. And OTT. . What have the lovely folk of beautiful done to upset you ? Is it something that happening to you in the past ? . Was it a misplaced traffic cone , a surly Waitrose shop check-out , a charity or expensive dress shop that didn't have what you were looking for , a calamitous ex-relationship with a Marvolian ( are there voles in Marlow ?). . It surely can't be , like a few people opine , because Marlow people are "too far up themselves" (ie 'supersupository') . What is it ? What ,What, What ? Please tell. And then perhaps we can help in some small way. Regards.
I have been there on a number of occassions in the past and found the shop assistants ( particularly in the sacred Waitrose) to be rude, unhelpful and churlish.
I cannot bear the way the traffic goes through the High Street making it virtually impossible to cross the road.
And above all, I am fed up to the teeth with the moans and the groans that we hear all of the time on this website.
Marlow is not special - fact. It is an overcrowded, poorly designed hell hole.I am a little tired of being told that I must be somehow less of a being , unemployed and jealous because I don't embrace the place with both arms.
There is not one good thing to recommend it - oh wait, Tom lives there.
Feck knows why - he reads the Guardian. He will be drummed out sooner or later.
Oh and Sportsturf is a good bloke as well. :))
demoness
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7:48pm Sun 7 Feb 10
J B Blackett wrote:I am literally p***ing myself with laughter here!
demoness wrote:I think I understand, d. I too used to have an irrational and unexplained fear. . In my case it was fear of hot-water bottles (Flaschophobia in German). . Over the years it became inflated and overblown - illogical really. I would even avoid hardware stores in case I accidentally stumble across them on full display. . Then I came across a psychologist who advised me that what was called 'Aversion Therapy' might work for me . At first I pooh-poohed (not poo-pooed ) the idea in case it made me worse. But in the end I faced up to it and 'bit the bullet'. . With gritted teeth , I went out and forced myself to buy one ( strangely and coincidentally from Waitrose in Marlow !). It was a blue one with a fluffy cover in the shape of a teddy-bear. But the next step was the most difficult. . After filling it with hot water - I TOOK IT TO BED WITH ME - (there I've said it). At first I had a bad reaction and broke out into feverish sweats but after a few days that side-effect tailed off. After all it was mid-summer. . Now I can't do without it in bed (and sometimes in the garden shed when really cold). . May I respectfully suggest you try this method to cure your fear of all things Marlow ( Marvophobia ? ). Select someone from Marlow who is compatible , suitable and appropriate and TAKE THEM TO BED. Get over the side effects - these pass very quickly , particularly if you sleep on the LH side. . After all you have made conversational contact (dare I say sociable intercourse) with some Marlow people of like and amiable mind ( eg tom , Sportsturf and others ). Take Heart , demoness and give it a go. . Regards and Good Luck - it worked for me.J B Blackett wrote: A bit harsh, d. And OTT. . What have the lovely folk of beautiful done to upset you ? Is it something that happening to you in the past ? . Was it a misplaced traffic cone , a surly Waitrose shop check-out , a charity or expensive dress shop that didn't have what you were looking for , a calamitous ex-relationship with a Marvolian ( are there voles in Marlow ?). . It surely can't be , like a few people opine , because Marlow people are "too far up themselves" (ie 'supersupository') . What is it ? What ,What, What ? Please tell. And then perhaps we can help in some small way. Regards.I HATE the place JB. It is an irrational hatred perhaps but a real one. I have been there on a number of occassions in the past and found the shop assistants ( particularly in the sacred Waitrose) to be rude, unhelpful and churlish. I cannot bear the way the traffic goes through the High Street making it virtually impossible to cross the road. And above all, I am fed up to the teeth with the moans and the groans that we hear all of the time on this website. Marlow is not special - fact. It is an overcrowded, poorly designed hell hole.I am a little tired of being told that I must be somehow less of a being , unemployed and jealous because I don't embrace the place with both arms. There is not one good thing to recommend it - oh wait, Tom lives there. Feck knows why - he reads the Guardian. He will be drummed out sooner or later. Oh and Sportsturf is a good bloke as well. :))
Lorrainei
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8:13pm Sun 7 Feb 10
tom.marlow
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8:53pm Sun 7 Feb 10
Lorrainei
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8:57pm Sun 7 Feb 10
demoness
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9:39pm Sun 7 Feb 10
WiLGotz
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1:31am Mon 8 Feb 10
demoness
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8:41am Mon 8 Feb 10
deecee01
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8:49am Mon 8 Feb 10
Bogart
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8:52am Mon 8 Feb 10
tom.marlow
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9:03am Mon 8 Feb 10
Bogart wrote:And theres always space in the car park behind it, and they give you back the cost of 1hr parking.
I'm p'eed off because now everyone will find out how good the Waitrose in Henley is, and it'll be packed. I'd better get 18 months supply of goods in now !!
DeepThinker
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9:18am Mon 8 Feb 10
demoness wrote:I would willingly pay £150 for a changing bag.
Wil Gotz A changing bag is a bag designed to take all the changing paraphenalia,and other stuff for a baby when parent is out and about with it. So it would contain spare nappies, wipes, clothes, feeding equipement, sometimes even a can of food . To be fair, it is a useful piece of kit. BUT you can get one for a fraction of the price in Mothercare.Babies grow up and IMO it is just snob value paying £150 for a piece of kit that you will hardly use and is only for a specific use. A bit like the absolute idiots who pay a fortune to eat in the Fat Duck and think they are somehow special because they are eating snail porridge - I mean could they be any thicker?
deecee01
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10:11am Mon 8 Feb 10
Bogart wrote:I have always preferred to shop in Waitrose in Henley anyway. In fact the whole shopping experience in Henley is far preferable to Marlow.
I'm p'eed off because now everyone will find out how good the Waitrose in Henley is, and it'll be packed.
I'd better get 18 months supply of goods in now !!
J B Blackett
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1:55pm Mon 8 Feb 10
DeepThinker wrote:Good one , DT.
demoness wrote:I would willingly pay £150 for a changing bag.
Wil Gotz A changing bag is a bag designed to take all the changing paraphenalia,and other stuff for a baby when parent is out and about with it. So it would contain spare nappies, wipes, clothes, feeding equipement, sometimes even a can of food . To be fair, it is a useful piece of kit. BUT you can get one for a fraction of the price in Mothercare.Babies grow up and IMO it is just snob value paying £150 for a piece of kit that you will hardly use and is only for a specific use. A bit like the absolute idiots who pay a fortune to eat in the Fat Duck and think they are somehow special because they are eating snail porridge - I mean could they be any thicker?
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Paul Daniels used to have one. You put in a fiver and then pull out a tenner. Very helpful when shopping in Marlow!
Lorrainei
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2:10pm Mon 8 Feb 10
J B Blackett wrote:I protest. With all due respect. How dare you insult the lovely Debbie?
DeepThinker wrote:Good one , DT. . And at the risk of offending the denizens of Goring, didn't PD actually marry one ?demoness wrote: Wil Gotz A changing bag is a bag designed to take all the changing paraphenalia,and other stuff for a baby when parent is out and about with it. So it would contain spare nappies, wipes, clothes, feeding equipement, sometimes even a can of food . To be fair, it is a useful piece of kit. BUT you can get one for a fraction of the price in Mothercare.Babies grow up and IMO it is just snob value paying £150 for a piece of kit that you will hardly use and is only for a specific use. A bit like the absolute idiots who pay a fortune to eat in the Fat Duck and think they are somehow special because they are eating snail porridge - I mean could they be any thicker?I would willingly pay £150 for a changing bag. . Paul Daniels used to have one. You put in a fiver and then pull out a tenner. Very helpful when shopping in Marlow!
J B Blackett
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2:28pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Lorrainei
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3:01pm Mon 8 Feb 10
Lividov
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11:57pm Tue 9 Feb 10
Largo
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2:52pm Sat 13 Feb 10
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demoness says...
7:59am Sun 7 Feb 10
If all you depend on is passing trade from supermarket shoppers then you really have to question whether your prices are reasonable and if you are selling things people want.
Because if you are, no amount of disruption will change that.
Bump and Baby - I have just been on their website.
What sort of idiot would pay £40 for a baby's dress?
Especially when they can go to one of the supermarkets or chain shops and get something just as lovely for a lot cheaper.
It's a funny thing about babies - they do not have control over their bodily functions and most parents will tell you that you have to take at least one change of outfit with you when going out. And they tend to grow quickly as well so that lovely £40 dress will be useless in a couple of months.
Oh and get this - £150 for a leather changing bag!
Well I am not surprised you are struggling. But perhaps the ordinary Mum on the street is not the market you are looking for.
Never mind, Marlow is full of nouveau riche - I am sure they will still come, just so they can dress their poor children up in designer crap and then boast about how different they look.
A big fat LOL!
Now I will wait for the patron saint of Marlow, 678 to rush to the defence. :)