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'Naked Streets' closer for Marlow after Government urges clutter clearance


A RADICAL plan to eradicate 'unnecessary' road signs across Marlow – creating 'naked streets' – took a giant step forward after Government backing.

The revolutionary roads re-think first proposed by Marlow Mayor Roger Wilson nearly two years ago (see related articles below) could finally get off the ground after Communities Secretary Eric Pickles told councils to shed street 'clutter'.

Cllr Wilson hailed the announcement but it came as Marlow Bottom businessman urged council bosses to provide extra signs to attract more custom into the village.

Traders say there are not enough signs leading to their village to direct motorists to their shops.

Ditching traffic signs has been trialled in Europe and London, with the idea of making drivers think more for themselves, creating what has been called ‘naked streets’.

Mr Pickles said: "Our streets are losing their English character."

We are being overrun by scruffy signs, bossy bollards, patchwork paving and railed off roads wasting taxpayers' money that could be better spent on fixing potholes or keeping council tax down. We need to 'cut the clutter'.”

Cllr Wilson told the Free Press: “I think it's great news and now it's up to the county to follow Eric Pickle's lead.

“I would like to see the vast majority of signs scrapped.”

The philosophy behind the proposal is to make drivers think more for themselves, prevent them being distracted by unnecessary notices and make the town more attractive.

Signs showing speed limits and roundabouts would be first for the axe, especially where there has been repetition, he said.

Cllr Wilson was initially backed by county transport supremo cllr Val Letheren and officers have inspected the town to look at possible removals.

But Cllr Wilson doubts their enthusiasm.

“I keep pushing county and they keep being a sponge bag – in other words they want it to go away.”

Cllr Letheren said BCC “fully support” Mr Pickles' plan, saying “it's something we have been working towards for a while throughout the county”.

“Of course, there are legal requirements for some signage, but we are gradually reviewing all signs with the aim of retaining only that which is absolutely necessary.

"This is a case where less is definitely more."

New signs will be monitored carefully, she added.

However, while Marlow High Street is an obvious destination for shoppers, Brucewood Parade, Marlow Botton is not, businessmen say.

Traders are pushing for a new sign at the junction to Marlow Bottom.

Traders say they need to make more drivers going past the village aware of the Brucewood Parade shops.

Gav Singh, owner of Marlow Bottom Fish Bar, has written to council bosses requesting a sign.

Bernie Longhurst, 55, owner of Longhurst's - the only remaining butchers in Marlow – backed him, saying: “We always have been keen (for a sign) because we are offset from Marlow.

“If you are coming off the M40, which a lot of people do, it would be nice to have a sign there telling them there are local shops. It would increase trade.”

Glyn Coombes, 59, co-owner of new business Westmount Music, said: “Something to make people more aware of the shops would be brilliant.”

Cllr Wilson said whilst he had sympathy for Marlow Bottom businesses Marlow Town Council had fought against High Street businesses advertising through A-Boards.


Comments(19)

BigTommy says...
9:03am Mon 30 Aug 10

... Glyn Coombes, 59, co-owner of new business Westmount Music, said: “Something to make people more aware of the shops would be brilliant.” ...
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This from someone who does not include a map or directions on his website!
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DOH!

Slacker says...
10:28am Mon 30 Aug 10

"The philosophy behind the proposal is to make drivers think more for themselves, prevent them being distracted by unnecessary notices and make the town more attractive. "

How stupid.So imagine someone getting to the little roundabout on the high street and is lost because there are no street signs. He goes round the roundabout several times losing his bearings and finally block up the road because he has to ask a pedestrian for directions.

The last thing we need is for drivers having to think more when they are supposed to be concentrating on the road. It takes a split second to read a road sign, it takes much longer to look for a road sign which is not there.

Slacker says...
10:35am Mon 30 Aug 10

And another thing, the road signs are already there and paid for. It will cost more money to remove them. This is not about saving money is it about trying to make the town look good - style over substance really. But in the end it will backfire on them because drivers will avoid it. It will get a reputation for being the town with no help to where you are going and no road signs to say where the car parking is.

Here is a clue on how to attract customers - don't push them away.

dtap says...
12:01pm Mon 30 Aug 10

What drooling nonsense is this? Many drivers clearly do not think for themselves - this is why the signs are there in the first place. To my mind, it`s cars themselves which are the problem: too many of them by far - and at least road signs don`t stink, make a lot of noise or run people over...

sparky49 says...
12:46pm Mon 30 Aug 10

I think everyone is missing the point here. Road signs are only in palce where there have been accidents i.e Junctions, roundabouts etc. The council pay for them and do not have a say in where they go.

freeforall says...
1:24pm Mon 30 Aug 10

Would Cllr Wilson please show Marlovians evidence of what he and the Marlow Council has done to rid Marlow of the plague of A frames lining Marlow's streets. Whatever he and they have done (if anything) has been a total failure. and what about the seats and chairs outside Loaf at the corner of the High street and West Street and the problem they represent

678 says...
5:06pm Mon 30 Aug 10

I think this is a brilliant idea!

demoness says...
5:13pm Mon 30 Aug 10

sparky49 wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point here. Road signs are only in palce where there have been accidents i.e Junctions, roundabouts etc. The council pay for them and do not have a say in where they go.
Absolutely spot on and it would be a bad move to get rid of any road signs.

678 says...
5:51pm Mon 30 Aug 10

there have been many studies that have shown that the removal of signs and street furniture inproves driver concentration. Most of the signs are also ugly, and useless

demoness says...
6:08pm Mon 30 Aug 10

678 wrote:
there have been many studies that have shown that the removal of signs and street furniture inproves driver concentration. Most of the signs are also ugly, and useless
But if you are driving through a town and do not know the area, surely it is dangerous to remove road signs.
Can you point me in the direction of these studies please?

678 says...
6:12pm Mon 30 Aug 10

http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle1295120.ece

its been proven to work in the netherlands, and in Covent Garden for years. Think outside the box, cut down on the knee-jerk reactions.

demoness says...
6:19pm Mon 30 Aug 10

678 wrote:
http://www.timesonli

ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar

ticle1295120.ece

its been proven to work in the netherlands, and in Covent Garden for years. Think outside the box, cut down on the knee-jerk reactions.
Please don't be rude. I asked a question for a link as I did not know anything about it. I also expressed concern that I did not see how it would work.
I will now look at the link and thank you for posting it.

678 says...
6:22pm Mon 30 Aug 10

demoness wrote:
678 wrote: http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar ticle1295120.ece its been proven to work in the netherlands, and in Covent Garden for years. Think outside the box, cut down on the knee-jerk reactions.
Please don't be rude. I asked a question for a link as I did not know anything about it. I also expressed concern that I did not see how it would work. I will now look at the link and thank you for posting it.
...and then manage to find some tiny unimportant negative point in the article and make a big thing over it...I know how you work.

demoness says...
6:25pm Mon 30 Aug 10

Okay 678 - I have no wish to argue with you. I have the article - again I thank you.

Priestly says...
6:29pm Mon 30 Aug 10

678 wrote:
demoness wrote:
678 wrote: http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar ticle1295120.ece its been proven to work in the netherlands, and in Covent Garden for years. Think outside the box, cut down on the knee-jerk reactions.
Please don't be rude. I asked a question for a link as I did not know anything about it. I also expressed concern that I did not see how it would work. I will now look at the link and thank you for posting it.
...and then manage to find some tiny unimportant negative point in the article and make a big thing over it...I know how you work.
You don't know how anyone works you're just being rude and ignorant and looking for conflict where there is none. Little Man Big Internet Syndrome is what I call it. In otherwise, you're a pointless argumentative little ****. 'little' being the key word.

678 says...
6:47pm Mon 30 Aug 10

Priestly wrote:
678 wrote:
demoness wrote:
678 wrote: http://www.timesonli ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar ticle1295120.ece its been proven to work in the netherlands, and in Covent Garden for years. Think outside the box, cut down on the knee-jerk reactions.
Please don't be rude. I asked a question for a link as I did not know anything about it. I also expressed concern that I did not see how it would work. I will now look at the link and thank you for posting it.
...and then manage to find some tiny unimportant negative point in the article and make a big thing over it...I know how you work.
You don't know how anyone works you're just being rude and ignorant and looking for conflict where there is none. Little Man Big Internet Syndrome is what I call it. In otherwise, you're a pointless argumentative little ****. 'little' being the key word.
what an ironic post lol

HI POT, MEET KETTLE!

btw Im a woman xxx

Slacker says...
7:01pm Mon 30 Aug 10

If they are going to do this, they need to also not be discriminatory and should get rid of the "welcome to Marlow" signs too.

holtspurman says...
8:50am Tue 31 Aug 10

Get rid of the stupid Marlow Museum sign that obscures the view of other cars on the roundabout at the top of the High Street. You cannot see the indicators of cars comming from Henley when you come from Bourne End.
Stop the temp cable tied signs at junctions advertising golf sales!

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze says...
10:09am Tue 31 Aug 10

This thread has lost its way


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