Police to tell yobs: You're banned from these streets (From Bucks Free Press)

Why choose this particular area when most of the ASB reports we read about come from the castlefield area.

Barbara B wrote:
Why choose this particular area when most of the ASB reports we read about come from the castlefield area.

It might be that they have chosen a smaller area to run as a trial and then will look at carrying it out in larger areas - I am not sure though, this is just a guess.

I live in this area and had my car damaged, I have also been made to feel very intimidated at times.

"Tames Valley Police"

Who are they?

rem708 wrote:
"Tames Valley Police" Who are they?

Obviously the proof reader was still on their coffee break, or early lunch, or was off ill, or perhaps they don't even have one.

Barbara B wrote:
Why choose this particular area when most of the ASB reports we read about come from the castlefield area.

I am afraid to tell you that per capita Marlow has a higher overall crime rate than most of the areas in the Wycombe District.
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If you do not believe this , look at the recent months'/years' stats on the Local crime and Policing information on the Thames Valley Police site. It covers periods up to December 2011. However they are only numbers , reported via the TVP , so you can choose to believe it or not.
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Possibly some of the crime may be caused by 'visitors'

Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

wayneo wrote:
Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

Its a shame they are not. Our courts are run by idiots who dont know how to deal out punishment that fits the crime. At least police are on the streets and actually DO have an Idea of what its like.

tigeran wrote:

wayneo wrote: Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

Its a shame they are not. Our courts are run by idiots who dont know how to deal out punishment that fits the crime. At least police are on the streets and actually DO have an Idea of what its like.

Actually, it's not always the Courts, sentencing guidelines and interference from Mr Hush-puppy himself (Ken Clarke) means that Courts largely have their hands tied. Still, not sure I would like to live in a Police state, in this Country, it is a constitutional right that no punishment is delivered without first having been through a Court, let alone the Human Rights argument:

http://en.wikipedia.
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I'm sure too, that Ian Tomlinson's family has an idea of what it is like too.

Well how outrageous! Yobs in Marlow??
I am sure that the Marlovians will be writing to the BFP demanding that these miscreants be removed forthwith :))

Tames Valley Police ?
Is this a new force I thought it was Thames Valley Police.
In any case get rid of the yobs and deal with them accordingly.

Poor, poor Marlowvians.. It must be dreadful having one's nose so far in the air only to have to lower it so often to dodge criminal folk.. How about, crazy idea here, growing a pair like everyone else has to?

I'm sorry, my nose is not up in the air! I work hard for a living to pay for a home that I should feel safe in - as a single women I shouldn't have to worry about walking from my car to my house. It's not just a couple of kids messing around - my car was vandalised and I've been forced to walk a different way to my house as a get a load of mouth of a large group of drunk teenage boys. I can stand up for myself but I won't take unnecessary risks!

listerps2 wrote:
I'm sorry, my nose is not up in the air! I work hard for a living to pay for a home that I should feel safe in - as a single women I shouldn't have to worry about walking from my car to my house. It's not just a couple of kids messing around - my car was vandalised and I've been forced to walk a different way to my house as a get a load of mouth of a large group of drunk teenage boys. I can stand up for myself but I won't take unnecessary risks!

Apologies - this was not aimed at you and no doubt the majority of good folk in Marlow - just the vocal few :)

Barbara B wrote:
Why choose this particular area when most of the ASB reports we read about come from the castlefield area.

Because they are too scared to do anything like this is Castlefield!!

When it comes to issues of thugs causing a nuisance night after night, of course the police should have summary powers to put a stop to it straight away. This is the problem with this country where everyone screams "human rights, European Court" usually to claim damages. Serious crimes, trial, thugs on the streets police kick up the back side. What has gone wrong with this country?When I was a kid the sight of a copper frightened me. And if he told me he was going to speak to my father, god forbid. This once beautiful land has been ruined, and I am afraid to say there's no way back. Call me racist if you like.

wayneo wrote:

tigeran wrote:

wayneo wrote: Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

Its a shame they are not. Our courts are run by idiots who dont know how to deal out punishment that fits the crime. At least police are on the streets and actually DO have an Idea of what its like.

Actually, it's not always the Courts, sentencing guidelines and interference from Mr Hush-puppy himself (Ken Clarke) means that Courts largely have their hands tied. Still, not sure I would like to live in a Police state, in this Country, it is a constitutional right that no punishment is delivered without first having been through a Court, let alone the Human Rights argument:

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/List_of_cas

es_of_police_brutali

ty_in_the_United_Sta

tes

I'm sure too, that Ian Tomlinson's family has an idea of what it is like too.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one Wayneo...

Although having said I find that one the whole Mr Clarke is at the more sensible end of the current government.

Its all very well talking about pre-empting trouble but unless they are actually committing a crime anyone has as much right to stand around in Gunthorpe Road as anyone else.

Exclusion zones, dispersal zones where everything depends on an individual police officer without any crime actually being committed is just a return to the old "sus" law

tom.marlow2 wrote:

wayneo wrote:

tigeran wrote:

wayneo wrote: Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

Its a shame they are not. Our courts are run by idiots who dont know how to deal out punishment that fits the crime. At least police are on the streets and actually DO have an Idea of what its like.

Actually, it's not always the Courts, sentencing guidelines and interference from Mr Hush-puppy himself (Ken Clarke) means that Courts largely have their hands tied. Still, not sure I would like to live in a Police state, in this Country, it is a constitutional right that no punishment is delivered without first having been through a Court, let alone the Human Rights argument:

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/List_of_cas


es_of_police_brutali


ty_in_the_United_Sta


tes

I'm sure too, that Ian Tomlinson's family has an idea of what it is like too.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one Wayneo...

Although having said I find that one the whole Mr Clarke is at the more sensible end of the current government.

Its all very well talking about pre-empting trouble but unless they are actually committing a crime anyone has as much right to stand around in Gunthorpe Road as anyone else.

Exclusion zones, dispersal zones where everything depends on an individual police officer without any crime actually being committed is just a return to the old "sus" law

Blimey....

They agree!
Quick - call the press and hold the front page :))

listerps2 wrote:
I'm sorry, my nose is not up in the air! I work hard for a living to pay for a home that I should feel safe in - as a single women I shouldn't have to worry about walking from my car to my house. It's not just a couple of kids messing around - my car was vandalised and I've been forced to walk a different way to my house as a get a load of mouth of a large group of drunk teenage boys. I can stand up for myself but I won't take unnecessary risks!

Listerps has a point - we have had sometimes large gangs of yobs aged 12 to 17 shouting abuse at people and drinking underage round here in the past - it has not disappeared completely and amounts to a form of harassment, like an excited school playground on your doorstep with no teachers to keep order. It must be much worse for women.

Tames Valley Police - deadly rivals of Wilds Valley Police.'

Isn't gunthorpe road on the bottom estate?(i've lived here all my life and still no sure of road names LOL)... thats like the roughest part of marlow. My mate lives round there and the kids there aged 8 - 13 think they're big calling my mates and me sl*gs and swearing at us ect, but you just gotta laugh at em and tell em to go fly a kite :)

demoness the second wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote:

wayneo wrote:

tigeran wrote:

wayneo wrote: Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

Its a shame they are not. Our courts are run by idiots who dont know how to deal out punishment that fits the crime. At least police are on the streets and actually DO have an Idea of what its like.

Actually, it's not always the Courts, sentencing guidelines and interference from Mr Hush-puppy himself (Ken Clarke) means that Courts largely have their hands tied. Still, not sure I would like to live in a Police state, in this Country, it is a constitutional right that no punishment is delivered without first having been through a Court, let alone the Human Rights argument:

http://en.wikipedia.



org/wiki/List_of_cas



es_of_police_brutali



ty_in_the_United_Sta



tes

I'm sure too, that Ian Tomlinson's family has an idea of what it is like too.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one Wayneo...

Although having said I find that one the whole Mr Clarke is at the more sensible end of the current government.

Its all very well talking about pre-empting trouble but unless they are actually committing a crime anyone has as much right to stand around in Gunthorpe Road as anyone else.

Exclusion zones, dispersal zones where everything depends on an individual police officer without any crime actually being committed is just a return to the old "sus" law

Blimey....

They agree!
Quick - call the press and hold the front page :))

This is one subject that I usually agree with him on. :-)

Perhaps he has had similar experiences to me in his youth and been harassed, moved on etc etc by the police.

We get a lot of talk from Ray Wilks, the leaning detective (maybe the BFP should invest in a new photo) but, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
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Get on and do it Ray. More Brownie points for actually doing it rather than just talking about it.

Barbara B wrote:
Why choose this particular area when most of the ASB reports we read about come from the castlefield area.

To keep all the worthless scum in one area. If we kicked them out of Castlefield, they would go into areas where decent people live.

There are descent people living in Castlefield too and suffering on a daily basis. Your comment is disingenuous.

demoness the second wrote:

listerps2 wrote: I'm sorry, my nose is not up in the air! I work hard for a living to pay for a home that I should feel safe in - as a single women I shouldn't have to worry about walking from my car to my house. It's not just a couple of kids messing around - my car was vandalised and I've been forced to walk a different way to my house as a get a load of mouth of a large group of drunk teenage boys. I can stand up for myself but I won't take unnecessary risks!

Apologies - this was not aimed at you and no doubt the majority of good folk in Marlow - just the vocal few :)

That's ok, my post was directed more to SuperSharpShooter.

Barbara B wrote:
There are descent people living in Castlefield too and suffering on a daily basis. Your comment is disingenuous.

Sorry. I meant to say poor people.

I live in the area in question. The problem is a small group of teenage boys that have in all fairness quitened right down since last summer. Two of the main culprets have now also moved from Marlow. It is not as bad as it is being made out to be, most incidents boil down to the same people that the police are aware of, maybe they should deal with those better rather then keep arresting them and letting them off with a warning. The kids down here take the mickey because they have had so many experiences of getting away with it! I hate to think how many ' yellow cards' some of them have.. something is going very wrong! This dispersal zone will just move the problem.. watch out Newfield gardens / Higginson Park they may well be coming to get you!!!!!

tom.marlow2 wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tom.marlow2 wrote:

wayneo wrote:

tigeran wrote:

wayneo wrote: Since when has the Police been Judge, Jury and executioner. Isn't that why we have Courts?

Its a shame they are not. Our courts are run by idiots who dont know how to deal out punishment that fits the crime. At least police are on the streets and actually DO have an Idea of what its like.

Actually, it's not always the Courts, sentencing guidelines and interference from Mr Hush-puppy himself (Ken Clarke) means that Courts largely have their hands tied. Still, not sure I would like to live in a Police state, in this Country, it is a constitutional right that no punishment is delivered without first having been through a Court, let alone the Human Rights argument:

http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/List_of_cas es_of_police_brutali ty_in_the_United_Sta tes

I'm sure too, that Ian Tomlinson's family has an idea of what it is like too.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one Wayneo... Although having said I find that one the whole Mr Clarke is at the more sensible end of the current government. Its all very well talking about pre-empting trouble but unless they are actually committing a crime anyone has as much right to stand around in Gunthorpe Road as anyone else. Exclusion zones, dispersal zones where everything depends on an individual police officer without any crime actually being committed is just a return to the old "sus" law

Blimey.... They agree! Quick - call the press and hold the front page :))

This is one subject that I usually agree with him on. :-) Perhaps he has had similar experiences to me in his youth and been harassed, moved on etc etc by the police.

Exactly Tom. While there are indeed scrotes who cause trouble for the hell of it, there are existing laws under which they can be dealth with. The Council have NO business getting involved in criminal matters, if these people are committing criminal offenses then they can be charged and the evidence be put before and tried before a Court, it is a fundamental right of every British Citizen no matter how old one is to have a fair hearing or trial before punishment. I have seen kids, minding their own business, not committing any offenses, being screamed at and abused on the grounds of they were in a group so they must be causing trouble. While there are some exceptionally fair-minded and responsible Police Officers, there are also too many Police Officers who go in with the boot, abuse their Office and who are prone to making laws up as they go, I cannot possibly see how these 'zones' can be lawful under our own constitution let alone ECHR.

Some people cannot be prosecuted or 'dealt with' by the law , because the Law says they are too young and are therefore not be treated as criminals.
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There are now over 130,000 lawyers in England/Wales now - and the profession is growing at 4 times the rate of the general population.
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We now have lots and lots of law , but we need more common sense. That means sense from the Common People. Not lawyers and the current legal system - set up by politicians for the benefit of politicians and their friends.
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Can people not see it has become corrupt and dishonest and is totally exploited and exploitable. Not something to be proud of , quite the reverse. We should not be criticizing other countries' legal systems when ours is such a mess. And administered by out-of-touch in-bred idiots.
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Still it's all coming out of your taxes , so that's alright , isn't it ?

J B Blackett wrote:
Some people cannot be prosecuted or 'dealt with' by the law , because the Law says they are too young and are therefore not be treated as criminals.
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There are now over 130,000 lawyers in England/Wales now - and the profession is growing at 4 times the rate of the general population.
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We now have lots and lots of law , but we need more common sense. That means sense from the Common People. Not lawyers and the current legal system - set up by politicians for the benefit of politicians and their friends.
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Can people not see it has become corrupt and dishonest and is totally exploited and exploitable. Not something to be proud of , quite the reverse. We should not be criticizing other countries' legal systems when ours is such a mess. And administered by out-of-touch in-bred idiots.
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Still it's all coming out of your taxes , so that's alright , isn't it ?

Correct, though Common law dealt with this succintly and fairly IMO before the Labour Government perverted the law in 1998 . though the criminal age of liability is 12 years old, under common law, there was a rebuttable presumption between 7 and fourteen that a child couldn't commit a crime, if the prosecution could establish that the child knew what he/she was doing then then they could be tried as an adult.
However, what we have now, is the Office of Constable crossing the boundaries between criminal to civil jurisdictions. Unfortunately the ever more reliance on black letter law , shows how devolved we've become from the Just principles of Common law. We have a situation of byelaws being made,further restricting freedom and without the checking or scrutiny required. That we have a situation where on the mere say-so of a Police Officer, that people who LOOK as though they are causing trouble or that they MIGHT cause trouble can be moved on and banned from an area is affront to the liberties that people have fought and died for. No investigation, no evidence, no trial, no qualification of evidence just, you look guilty so you must be guilty. Disgraceful. If there's evidence, then charge them, if it's their first offence and whether damage occured,give them a ticking off, caution whatever, if there's evidence a second time around, put them up before a Court.