Wycombe MP Steve Baker urges David Cameron to call EU referendum

2:30pm Monday 2nd July 2012 in Marlow By James Nadal

Wycombe MP urges Prime Minister to call EU referendum Wycombe MP urges Prime Minister to call EU referendum

WYCOMBE MP Steve Baker has signed a letter to the Prime Minister calling for a referendum on the European Union.

Mr Baker, a declared eurosceptic, was among 100 Conservative MPs to ask David Cameron to commit to a public vote about the UK's relationship.

The backbencher was among about 80 Tories who formed the biggest rebellion on Europe against a Conservative Prime Minister last year.

Mr Baker voted for a motion which called for a referendum.

Although it was defeated by 483 to 111 the result was the largest against David Cameron in his premiership.

Now, Conservative MPs are stepping up their campaign for a vote.

Since the letter was sent last week, Mr Cameron has said he is open to the idea of a referendum, though now is not the right time.

Tory heavyweight Liam Fox, the former Defence Secretary, has appeared on television today, also calling for a referendum.

Mr Baker told the BFP: “I'm really encouraged that the letter we've signed and with the PM's remarks and Liam Fox's that we might be working towards a new relationship with the EU and one which has been legitimised by a popular vote.

“David Cameron has made it clear that referendum and Europe are two words which go together as far as he's concerned.”

Sunday newspapers have even suggested the Prime Minister is hatching a plan to hold an EU referendum on the same day as the 2015 General Election.

Mr Baker believes Britain is better off outside the EU.

He said: “Conservatives all believe in decentralised decisions, localism, free markets and so on.

“What the EU does is centralise decisions, not only that, but it does things badly."

He said the EU lacks democratic legitimacy and has gone beyond the simple principles he supports - free trade and peace.

“People want their laws to be made by the politicians that they've elected in the UK,” he said.

“What I've noticed in recent months is increasing numbers of groups of people who find the issue they really care about is no longer in my power to do anything about.”

He reiterated his call for those wanting a referendum to sign The People’s Pledge.

Comments (18)

3:36pm Mon 2 Jul 12

wayneo says...

Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.
Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum. wayneo

6:40pm Mon 2 Jul 12

banknote says...

Back in the 1970's, I voted for a "Common Market", a free-trade area - as I mistakenly thought.

I did not vote for a European Community or, as it is - now, a European Union. The electorate of the United Kingdom have never had a chance to air their views on what that Common Market is becoming - a Federal Superstate.

It's time for that referendum now.
Back in the 1970's, I voted for a "Common Market", a free-trade area - as I mistakenly thought. I did not vote for a European Community or, as it is - now, a European Union. The electorate of the United Kingdom have never had a chance to air their views on what that Common Market is becoming - a Federal Superstate. It's time for that referendum now. banknote

10:10pm Mon 2 Jul 12

BucksNationalist says...

Good for Steve Baker.

This is true democracy at work for you, the leftists hate it of course, because they don't believe in democracy, and whilst I think democracy is flawed, I believe under a government which states it is "democratic," then they should certainly fulfil the apparent "democracy" they espouse.

Cameron won't give the people a vote any time soon, and he knows why, because most British people are fed up of the EU interfering with this country's affairs and dictating what we can and can't do from Brussels.
Good for Steve Baker. This is true democracy at work for you, the leftists hate it of course, because they don't believe in democracy, and whilst I think democracy is flawed, I believe under a government which states it is "democratic," then they should certainly fulfil the apparent "democracy" they espouse. Cameron won't give the people a vote any time soon, and he knows why, because most British people are fed up of the EU interfering with this country's affairs and dictating what we can and can't do from Brussels. BucksNationalist

10:13pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Stand up for England says...

banknote wrote:
Back in the 1970's, I voted for a "Common Market", a free-trade area - as I mistakenly thought.

I did not vote for a European Community or, as it is - now, a European Union. The electorate of the United Kingdom have never had a chance to air their views on what that Common Market is becoming - a Federal Superstate.

It's time for that referendum now.
could not agree more. It is dragging us down; now is the time Mr Cameron. Will be interesting to see the poll result. It currently shows 75% in favour.
[quote][p][bold]banknote[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's, I voted for a "Common Market", a free-trade area - as I mistakenly thought. I did not vote for a European Community or, as it is - now, a European Union. The electorate of the United Kingdom have never had a chance to air their views on what that Common Market is becoming - a Federal Superstate. It's time for that referendum now.[/p][/quote]could not agree more. It is dragging us down; now is the time Mr Cameron. Will be interesting to see the poll result. It currently shows 75% in favour. Stand up for England

10:25pm Mon 2 Jul 12

Bertrand_Russell says...

wayneo wrote:
Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.
Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise.
.
To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise.
.
The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.
[quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.[/p][/quote]Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks. Bertrand_Russell

10:50pm Mon 2 Jul 12

ivor says...

We should never have signed up to Europe in the first place.
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Britain is strong enough to make its own way in the world without having to rely on others.
~
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
We should never have signed up to Europe in the first place. ~ Britain is strong enough to make its own way in the world without having to rely on others. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page. ivor

11:20pm Mon 2 Jul 12

BOOKERite says...

Bertrand_Russell wrote:
wayneo wrote:
Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.
Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise.
.
To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise.
.
The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.
Actually the reason why Wycombe, or should I say Booker, voted out the Conservatives and voted in UKIP and Lib Dem councillors was as an anti-stadium vote.
[quote][p][bold]Bertrand_Russell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.[/p][/quote]Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.[/p][/quote]Actually the reason why Wycombe, or should I say Booker, voted out the Conservatives and voted in UKIP and Lib Dem councillors was as an anti-stadium vote. BOOKERite

2:04am Tue 3 Jul 12

wayneo says...

Bertrand_Russell wrote:
wayneo wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.
Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.
Very good and valid points!
[quote][p][bold]Bertrand_Russell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.[/p][/quote]Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.[/p][/quote]Very good and valid points! wayneo

2:05am Tue 3 Jul 12

wayneo says...

BOOKERite wrote:
Bertrand_Russell wrote:
wayneo wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.
Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.
Actually the reason why Wycombe, or should I say Booker, voted out the Conservatives and voted in UKIP and Lib Dem councillors was as an anti-stadium vote.
Yes, but political allegiances aside, Brian Pearce, is honestly, one of the most honest politicians I know.
[quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bertrand_Russell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.[/p][/quote]Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.[/p][/quote]Actually the reason why Wycombe, or should I say Booker, voted out the Conservatives and voted in UKIP and Lib Dem councillors was as an anti-stadium vote.[/p][/quote]Yes, but political allegiances aside, Brian Pearce, is honestly, one of the most honest politicians I know. wayneo

2:08am Tue 3 Jul 12

wayneo says...

ivor wrote:
We should never have signed up to Europe in the first place. ~ Britain is strong enough to make its own way in the world without having to rely on others. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
WE, didn't and never have signed up to Europe, WE, the people (or those in the 70s) signed up to what they were sold as being a trade agreement. It was the sedition and treachoury Edward Heath and co that signed us up to what amounts to a Federal Europe.
[quote][p][bold]ivor[/bold] wrote: We should never have signed up to Europe in the first place. ~ Britain is strong enough to make its own way in the world without having to rely on others. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.[/p][/quote]WE, didn't and never have signed up to Europe, WE, the people (or those in the 70s) signed up to what they were sold as being a trade agreement. It was the sedition and treachoury Edward Heath and co that signed us up to what amounts to a Federal Europe. wayneo

2:09am Tue 3 Jul 12

wayneo says...

banknote wrote:
Back in the 1970's, I voted for a "Common Market", a free-trade area - as I mistakenly thought. I did not vote for a European Community or, as it is - now, a European Union. The electorate of the United Kingdom have never had a chance to air their views on what that Common Market is becoming - a Federal Superstate. It's time for that referendum now.
Yes, you were lied to by traitors and seditionists.
[quote][p][bold]banknote[/bold] wrote: Back in the 1970's, I voted for a "Common Market", a free-trade area - as I mistakenly thought. I did not vote for a European Community or, as it is - now, a European Union. The electorate of the United Kingdom have never had a chance to air their views on what that Common Market is becoming - a Federal Superstate. It's time for that referendum now.[/p][/quote]Yes, you were lied to by traitors and seditionists. wayneo

2:53am Tue 3 Jul 12

ivor says...

wayneo wrote:
ivor wrote:
We should never have signed up to Europe in the first place. ~ Britain is strong enough to make its own way in the world without having to rely on others. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
WE, didn't and never have signed up to Europe, WE, the people (or those in the 70s) signed up to what they were sold as being a trade agreement. It was the sedition and treachoury Edward Heath and co that signed us up to what amounts to a Federal Europe.
As you say it was 'The Grocer' who took us into Europe for trade and not for all the stupid laws that we have now.
~
Let's suppose a referendum on Europe happened before the referendum on Scottish independence and the UK voted to pull out of Europe, where would that leave Scotland? Without EU help Scotland would not be able to stand on its own and the EU would never let a small nation like Scotland back into its fold. The EU referendum may turn out to be a political master-stroke in keeping the UK together....
~
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
[quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ivor[/bold] wrote: We should never have signed up to Europe in the first place. ~ Britain is strong enough to make its own way in the world without having to rely on others. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.[/p][/quote]WE, didn't and never have signed up to Europe, WE, the people (or those in the 70s) signed up to what they were sold as being a trade agreement. It was the sedition and treachoury Edward Heath and co that signed us up to what amounts to a Federal Europe.[/p][/quote]As you say it was 'The Grocer' who took us into Europe for trade and not for all the stupid laws that we have now. ~ Let's suppose a referendum on Europe happened before the referendum on Scottish independence and the UK voted to pull out of Europe, where would that leave Scotland? Without EU help Scotland would not be able to stand on its own and the EU would never let a small nation like Scotland back into its fold. The EU referendum may turn out to be a political master-stroke in keeping the UK together.... ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page. ivor

7:08am Tue 3 Jul 12

Voyeur says...

There certainly appear to be mixed messages from the Tory camp. Cameron promised a referendum on the EU before the last election but then reneged on that. You cannot trust him on a referendum in the future. Tory MEPs apparently vote in Brussels to give the EU more power. The Tory policy on the EU is a mess.
There certainly appear to be mixed messages from the Tory camp. Cameron promised a referendum on the EU before the last election but then reneged on that. You cannot trust him on a referendum in the future. Tory MEPs apparently vote in Brussels to give the EU more power. The Tory policy on the EU is a mess. Voyeur

8:35am Tue 3 Jul 12

Flackwell says...

Vote UKIP - at least there can be no doubt in anyones minds as to what they stand for
Vote UKIP - at least there can be no doubt in anyones minds as to what they stand for Flackwell

10:02am Tue 3 Jul 12

BOOKERite says...

wayneo wrote:
BOOKERite wrote:
Bertrand_Russell wrote:
wayneo wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.
Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.
Actually the reason why Wycombe, or should I say Booker, voted out the Conservatives and voted in UKIP and Lib Dem councillors was as an anti-stadium vote.
Yes, but political allegiances aside, Brian Pearce, is honestly, one of the most honest politicians I know.
I agree 100% with you about Brian, he is a local man who really cares about Booker, our other councillor, Simon Parker despite, being a Lib Dem is the same (only joking) Simon!
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Local Council should be about local issues and, in my view, must not play party politics as so often happens. I also think that to have a half decent local council you need a decent opposition, which unfortunately Wycombe does not have.
[quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bertrand_Russell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: Like I said previously, for the Conservatives to have a hope in hells chance of winning the next election, they will have to ditch Cameron, Labour have all but promised an in/out referendum.[/p][/quote]Actually Labour have promised a referendum previously - on the Lisbon treaty, and Brown knowingly broke the promise. . To be fair, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems have also promised referendums to get votes and then broke their promise. . The might explain why 2011 was the first time Wycombe got a UKIP councillor - a pattern that has been repeated several times across South Bucks.[/p][/quote]Actually the reason why Wycombe, or should I say Booker, voted out the Conservatives and voted in UKIP and Lib Dem councillors was as an anti-stadium vote.[/p][/quote]Yes, but political allegiances aside, Brian Pearce, is honestly, one of the most honest politicians I know.[/p][/quote]I agree 100% with you about Brian, he is a local man who really cares about Booker, our other councillor, Simon Parker despite, being a Lib Dem is the same (only joking) Simon! . Local Council should be about local issues and, in my view, must not play party politics as so often happens. I also think that to have a half decent local council you need a decent opposition, which unfortunately Wycombe does not have. BOOKERite

1:49pm Tue 3 Jul 12

The Drone says...

It was nice of the Whips Office to persuade Steve Baker to be the MP to ask the 'placed' question about a referendum.
Did no harm to both PM and MP. Makes them both look good.
It was nice of the Whips Office to persuade Steve Baker to be the MP to ask the 'placed' question about a referendum. Did no harm to both PM and MP. Makes them both look good. The Drone

3:37pm Tue 3 Jul 12

BOOKERite says...

The Drone wrote:
It was nice of the Whips Office to persuade Steve Baker to be the MP to ask the 'placed' question about a referendum.
Did no harm to both PM and MP. Makes them both look good.
It's a shame he didn't 'ask questions' when the stadium debacle was going on.
[quote][p][bold]The Drone[/bold] wrote: It was nice of the Whips Office to persuade Steve Baker to be the MP to ask the 'placed' question about a referendum. Did no harm to both PM and MP. Makes them both look good.[/p][/quote]It's a shame he didn't 'ask questions' when the stadium debacle was going on. BOOKERite

10:59am Wed 4 Jul 12

wayneo says...

The Drone wrote:
It was nice of the Whips Office to persuade Steve Baker to be the MP to ask the 'placed' question about a referendum. Did no harm to both PM and MP. Makes them both look good.
The signals are certainly aligning themselves towards hoodwinking us on asking for an "amdendment" rather than in or out. If Cameron is Eurosceptic, then i'm larry the lamb.
[quote][p][bold]The Drone[/bold] wrote: It was nice of the Whips Office to persuade Steve Baker to be the MP to ask the 'placed' question about a referendum. Did no harm to both PM and MP. Makes them both look good.[/p][/quote]The signals are certainly aligning themselves towards hoodwinking us on asking for an "amdendment" rather than in or out. If Cameron is Eurosceptic, then i'm larry the lamb. wayneo

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