M40 car blaze: Closure was essential, says fire chief

File pic: There were long queues today on the M40 after the fire File pic: There were long queues today on the M40 after the fire

THE closure of the M40 this afternoon was necessary, a fire chief has explained, because the blazing car had a liquid petroleum gas tank and could have exploded.

Fire crews from High Wycombe said they were met with some disgruntlement from drivers when the northbound stretch of the motorway between High Wycombe and Stokenchurch was shut around 3pm.

The blaze was potentially extremely dangerous because of the type of fuel carried by the cherokee jeep.

The driver and two passengers got out completely unharmed but the car was virtually destroyed.

Watch Manager Jon Franklin said: “Because it was an LPG tank I have procedures I have to put in place for that which unfortunately involved closing down the motorway northbound until I was satisfied we cooled the cylinder to a temperature which we deemed safe.”

Drivers faced delays of over an hour but Mr Franklin stressed the car was highly combustible and it was vital they had erred on the side of caution.

“People would look at the vehicle as they drove past and think what's all the fuss?” he said.

“Somebody did question it and one or two people did get a bit irate because unfortunately they did not understand what was going on in the car and what we were dealing with.

“The worst case scenario is we let the traffic flow, it's a botched system in the car, it explodes and it takes us and other vehicles out,” he said.

“Hence why we have the procedures in place.

“It could have been worse in this case, importantly because it was a proper system the safety mechanisms worked and it started to vent and cool down.

“Sometimes you come across cars without these mechanisms which is when they become more dangerous to us and members of the public.”

Police and Highways Agency agreed with the closure, he said. It reopened about 5pm.

He added: “When we were arriving, in the distance you could see it was well alight because there was an immense amount of smoke.

“But we brought the incident to a fairly quick closure.”

Comments (11)

12:20am Sun 15 Jul 12

Voyeur says...

Many cars have liquid petroleum. It seems it was the liquid petroleum GAS that was the problem.
Many cars have liquid petroleum. It seems it was the liquid petroleum GAS that was the problem. Voyeur

5:42am Sun 15 Jul 12

gotanybiscuits? says...

With no disrespect to the services, or incident involved:-
Surely these "procedures" need reviewing!!
Closing a motorway for TWO HOURS does not seem 'fairly quick' to me.
Closure seems to be the default reaction nowadays.
With no disrespect to the services, or incident involved:- Surely these "procedures" need reviewing!! Closing a motorway for TWO HOURS does not seem 'fairly quick' to me. Closure seems to be the default reaction nowadays. gotanybiscuits?

8:41am Sun 15 Jul 12

Station Officer Steele says...

Please take a look at this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=fBXS21uh6
lc

This will show you what could happen in a car fire with an LPG tank that does not vent correctly.

Then feel free to post if you wish to drive past it, or wait a while?

Regards
Please take a look at this youtube video: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=fBXS21uh6 lc This will show you what could happen in a car fire with an LPG tank that does not vent correctly. Then feel free to post if you wish to drive past it, or wait a while? Regards Station Officer Steele

9:58am Sun 15 Jul 12

maccapaka says...

my son in law is a fire fighter and, having just seen the video, I am delighted that the his safety, and the safety of the general public, is taken very seriously. So what if you were later arriving than planned. It is much better than the other option.!!!
my son in law is a fire fighter and, having just seen the video, I am delighted that the his safety, and the safety of the general public, is taken very seriously. So what if you were later arriving than planned. It is much better than the other option.!!! maccapaka

9:59am Sun 15 Jul 12

downleylocal says...

So why are these cars licensed for use on the roads at all? Sounds like they are too dangerous.
So why are these cars licensed for use on the roads at all? Sounds like they are too dangerous. downleylocal

1:16pm Sun 15 Jul 12

Hymnself says...

I hope the insurance companies take this into accont when quoting for this type of vehicle. While I appreciate that Trumpton have to err on the side of caution, it's rediculous to let these vehicles use the public roads.
I hope the insurance companies take this into accont when quoting for this type of vehicle. While I appreciate that Trumpton have to err on the side of caution, it's rediculous to let these vehicles use the public roads. Hymnself

4:23pm Sun 15 Jul 12

realist_highwycombe says...

gotanybiscuits? wrote:
With no disrespect to the services, or incident involved:-
Surely these "procedures" need reviewing!!
Closing a motorway for TWO HOURS does not seem 'fairly quick' to me.
Closure seems to be the default reaction nowadays.
Typical. So if you were driving past and this vehicle then explodes and causes yourself and your family serious injury, possibly death then what would your reaction be? Cant do right from wrong!
[quote][p][bold]gotanybiscuits?[/bold] wrote: With no disrespect to the services, or incident involved:- Surely these "procedures" need reviewing!! Closing a motorway for TWO HOURS does not seem 'fairly quick' to me. Closure seems to be the default reaction nowadays.[/p][/quote]Typical. So if you were driving past and this vehicle then explodes and causes yourself and your family serious injury, possibly death then what would your reaction be? Cant do right from wrong! realist_highwycombe

4:33pm Sun 15 Jul 12

Slacker says...

gotanybiscuits? wrote:
With no disrespect to the services, or incident involved:-
Surely these "procedures" need reviewing!!
Closing a motorway for TWO HOURS does not seem 'fairly quick' to me.
Closure seems to be the default reaction nowadays.
They don't need reviewing, the procedures are fine. The safety of the rescuers and public are of utmost importance.

If they have to close the road for 2,6, or even 10 hours so be it. Find another route.

What does need reviewing though is this type of fuel. If it is that dangerous then I don't think it is safe to use on the road.
[quote][p][bold]gotanybiscuits?[/bold] wrote: With no disrespect to the services, or incident involved:- Surely these "procedures" need reviewing!! Closing a motorway for TWO HOURS does not seem 'fairly quick' to me. Closure seems to be the default reaction nowadays.[/p][/quote]They don't need reviewing, the procedures are fine. The safety of the rescuers and public are of utmost importance. If they have to close the road for 2,6, or even 10 hours so be it. Find another route. What does need reviewing though is this type of fuel. If it is that dangerous then I don't think it is safe to use on the road. Slacker

12:18pm Mon 16 Jul 12

chris toff says...

Station Officer Steele wrote:
Please take a look at this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=fBXS21uh6

lc

This will show you what could happen in a car fire with an LPG tank that does not vent correctly.

Then feel free to post if you wish to drive past it, or wait a while?

Regards
The youtube video showed 3 veicles 1st 1 was a Petrol fire, 2 nd a Proper LPG CONVERSION... No Explosion and after 12mins excess gases vented safely .... and the 3rd was a " cowboy" job that did explode .... but all 3 were over and finished with 1 hour .... There was approx 10 firepersons in attendance and only a jet and 1 hose was used to contain the fire and NO EXPLOSION So why shut the M40 for over 2hrs ....?
1hour i can understand but 2 with minimal useage of hoses and one one ba set used .... even with the clear up ...2 hours ..... ??
[quote][p][bold]Station Officer Steele[/bold] wrote: Please take a look at this youtube video: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=fBXS21uh6 lc This will show you what could happen in a car fire with an LPG tank that does not vent correctly. Then feel free to post if you wish to drive past it, or wait a while? Regards[/p][/quote]The youtube video showed 3 veicles 1st 1 was a Petrol fire, 2 nd a Proper LPG CONVERSION... No Explosion and after 12mins excess gases vented safely .... and the 3rd was a " cowboy" job that did explode .... but all 3 were over and finished with 1 hour .... There was approx 10 firepersons in attendance and only a jet and 1 hose was used to contain the fire and NO EXPLOSION So why shut the M40 for over 2hrs ....? 1hour i can understand but 2 with minimal useage of hoses and one one ba set used .... even with the clear up ...2 hours ..... ?? chris toff

1:51pm Mon 16 Jul 12

ade68 says...

I was heading towards Junction 4 of the M40 on Saturday having coming from Gatwick and there were plenty of warning signs stating the closure , so i got off at the Loudwater junction but most other drivers carried on, they were probably the ones moaning about the queues and closure.
I was heading towards Junction 4 of the M40 on Saturday having coming from Gatwick and there were plenty of warning signs stating the closure , so i got off at the Loudwater junction but most other drivers carried on, they were probably the ones moaning about the queues and closure. ade68

1:58pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Majik says...

Sounds to me like the Fire Service have got their tactics all wrong - instead of trying to cool the car, they should have increased the heat until the car blew up - no more danger, everyone can carry on, and would have taken less than 2 hours.....
Sounds to me like the Fire Service have got their tactics all wrong - instead of trying to cool the car, they should have increased the heat until the car blew up - no more danger, everyone can carry on, and would have taken less than 2 hours..... Majik

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