Changes proposed to one way system (From Bucks Free Press)
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Princes Risborough one way system is reviewed by councillors
3:24pm Friday 5th March 2010 in Politics By Rebecca Cain
Changes proposed to one way system
A MEETING about amendments to the Princes Risborough one way system to alleviate traffic problems was “very positive”, said a councillor this week.
Buckinghamshire County Council and members from Princes Risborough Town Council met on Tuesday to discuss changes to the trial system which came into place in November.
County councillor and town councillor Carl Etholen said: “It was very positive. The county council officers have a few ideas. They are going to look at what can be done to resolve some of the issues.
“Hopefully within a week we will have some things to forward.”
The town council is working in partnership with BCC on the 18 month trial period of the system which costs £60,000.
Some traders have criticised the system which runs from Duke Street to Horns Lane saying it has affected their trade because of congestion and passing trade being deterred from calling into the High Street.
County council officers are now looking into implementing a filter system at the top of the High Street into Horns Lane.
They are also considering changes to the cycle lane which runs in both directions, more parking bays on Duke Street and more road markings to stop cars parking in the bus stop.
Town and district councillor Gary Hall said: “Before it started we said we would have reviews. Anything that is not popular we would look at changing.
“All of those four measures should go a long way to alleviating people's concerns.”
Cllr Hall spoke out at a Princes Risborough town council meeting about his disappointment in fellow councillors Bill Bendyshe-Brown and Carl Etholen who called for the one way system to be scrapped in January.
Cllr Hall added: “I have expressed my disappointment in the way Cllr Etholen and Cllr Bendsye-Brown conducted themselves in this episode as all these issues are resolvable.”
Cllr Bill Bendyshe-Brown said: “Both Carl and I are reacting to the needs and complaints of the majority of the traders in the town and also the majority of local residents in and around Risborough.”
Comments(15)
weyfarer
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9:36am Sat 6 Mar 10
miccles wrote:What hold ups?
Instead of wasting more money in trial and error situations, why don't they just put it back as it was, there was nothing at all wrong the way it was. All these trial and error situations are going to hold up the traffic just as much.
Sonic1
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7:04am Sun 7 Mar 10
no1buzz
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9:55am Sun 7 Mar 10
I have to use the A4010 through Risborough every day and usually start queueing at the 'fit for a prince' sign by Woodway and magically,the road is clear after M&S.
weyfarer
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6:21pm Sun 7 Mar 10
no1buzz wrote:I think you will find the traffic queues are caused by the 1000 houses per anum being built in Aylesbury not the one-way system.
weyfarer, what do you mean'what hold ups?' I have to use the A4010 through Risborough every day and usually start queueing at the 'fit for a prince' sign by Woodway and magically,the road is clear after M&S.
There are queues on Aylesbury Road to Monks Risborough school in the mornings and the same queues on the Wycombe Road in the evenings as they all drive home, and these queues are getting worse.
As one that lives in the Stratton Road area of Risborough my neighbours and myself are all grateful that the Aylesbury-bound traffic in the evening can no longer take a rat run in the evening through our residential streets to miss the Wycombe Road queues on the way home as the new one-way system stops them.
There were 18000 vehicles per day coming through the town, there are at least 20000 now- don't be stupid and blame the one-way system for heavy traffic. And if you don't like queueing in traffic take the bus or train- we don't want your cars on our residential streets, keep to the main roads!
Of course the road is clear after M&S no1buzz, the hundreds of Aylesbury bound rush hour vehicles every few minutes have to stop for Clifford Road school traffic turning right, then 2 pelican crossings, then a roundabout, of course its going to make an impact, things were bad before the one-way system, now drivers with local knowledge or sat-navs can't take a short cut through our residential streets, and bloody good job too!
no1buzz
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7:37pm Sun 7 Mar 10
your posting stated'what hold ups?'
mine stated the ones every week day coming into Risborough.
You say yourself the queues are getting worse,they are,and more noticably since the introduction of the one way system.
I'm afraid public transport is not an option for many people due to workplace location,timings or cost.
As for using Stratton rd as a cut through for Aylesbury traffic,surely Summerleys Rd out to Longwick would be the preferred option,with or without the one way system?
Didn't they have to adjust the crossing by M&S because of the one way?
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weyfarer
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8:18pm Sun 7 Mar 10
no1buzz wrote:The traffic coming through our residential streets is much less following the one-way system, that's a good thing if you have kids no??
Weyfarer, your posting stated'what hold ups?' mine stated the ones every week day coming into Risborough. You say yourself the queues are getting worse,they are,and more noticably since the introduction of the one way system. I'm afraid public transport is not an option for many people due to workplace location,timings or cost. As for using Stratton rd as a cut through for Aylesbury traffic,surely Summerleys Rd out to Longwick would be the preferred option,with or without the one way system? Didn't they have to adjust the crossing by M&S because of the one way? Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this comment’ link.
The traffic is worse and that is obviously because drivers can no longer tak a short cut
As for what I have posted - the truth? If you don't like it then I am not apologising to you for saying it. Some poeple just like to hear what they want to hear, I am saying it as it is.
no1buzz
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11:48am Mon 8 Mar 10
where are you between 5pm and 6pm every weekday?Certainly not anywhere near the A4010!
How can you say... truth and saying it as it is...
utter rubbish!
but if it stops a couple of cars taking a short cut,(surely long cut )through your neck of the woods then who should care about the loss of trade,closure of shops etc,etc,as long as you are alright.
weyfarer
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4:19pm Mon 8 Mar 10
no1buzz wrote:OK, let's look at the facts. It has been known for many years that 20,000+ homes being built in Aylesbury would have a negative impact on Risborough's traffic. It already has and these are the A4010 queues you refer to. Those queues were there years before the one-way system was implimented and have gotten longer since November as drivers with local knowledge and sat-navs can no longer take a short cut via Stratton Road to escape the waiting- this is proven, ask BCC.
Weyfarer, where are you between 5pm and 6pm every weekday?Certainly not anywhere near the A4010! How can you say... truth and saying it as it is... utter rubbish! but if it stops a couple of cars taking a short cut,(surely long cut )through your neck of the woods then who should care about the loss of trade,closure of shops etc,etc,as long as you are alright.
Where am I at 5.00pm? Certainly not in the High Street where most businesses close at that time.
Tell me, how excactly has the one-way system lost shops trade? Are you telling me that someone would rather drive to Thame, Wycombe or Aylesbury with their dry cleaning or to get their nails done rather than drive an extra 300 yards round the block?
I also notice on prominent complainant has a beauticians type business. Their custom would be appointment based and customers would need to park in car parks as the streets are short stay only. Nothing has changed for them at all.
I will be intersted to know your point of view based on facts and common sense, as you have given nothing based on any real facts apart from 'traders are losing money'. ALL TRADERS IN THE COUNTRY ARE LOSING MONEY, WE ARE IN THE MOST SERIOUS RECESSION FOR 50 YEARS!
no1buzz
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11:24am Tue 9 Mar 10
since when has the high street been on the A4010?
You're origional posting asking 'what hold ups' were in reference to the hold ups coming into Risborough,something that I dispute, your observations certainly don't match mine,nor many others who are held up on a daily basis.
I would hope the Council spend their resources on higher priority issues rather than counting the odd car going through this non existent,sat nav induced, rat run you are so fond of.
Sonic1
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5:19pm Tue 9 Mar 10
weyfarer
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2:25pm Wed 10 Mar 10
Sonic1 wrote:Sonic - Workers have never been able to park in the town as there is a maximum stay of 30 minutes. They have always had to use the Mount car park which allows all day parking or side streets.
Less people are now parking in the town itself, more workers and shoppers are using side roads and the carpark. The traffic lights are being used a lot more now as people are returning to their cars after work. This is why the traffic now gets backed up not because cars are trying to get out of the town.
Your comments don't stand up to scrutiny.
weyfarer
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2:34pm Wed 10 Mar 10
no1buzz wrote:Miccles said "all these trials just create hold ups". I replied to that 'what hold ups?' The one-way system in itself has not created the A4010 queues to which you referred to in your original response to me. I agree with you, the A4010 queues have got worse since the one-way system, and will say again it is simply because the ratrunners who previously could avoid queueing by cutting through the residential streets have had their unnoficial by-pass blocked by the new system, so they have little option but to join the queue., making it instantly longer than before.
weyfarer, since when has the high street been on the A4010? You're origional posting asking 'what hold ups' were in reference to the hold ups coming into Risborough,something that I dispute, your observations certainly don't match mine,nor many others who are held up on a daily basis. I would hope the Council spend their resources on higher priority issues rather than counting the odd car going through this non existent,sat nav induced, rat run you are so fond of.
I cannot believe that BCC, AVDC and Government are building 20,000 homes in Aylesbury but not investing in local roads like the A4010- the only route to Wycombe from Aylesbury, that is why the queues are getting worse because the road through Risborough cannot cope with the volumes at peak times. Nothing to do with the one-way system.
You have to look at these things pragmatically and carefully before you jump on the 'we hate the one-way system' bandwagon.
no1buzz
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5:13pm Wed 10 Mar 10
Still unconvinced that Stratton road had hundreds of cars using it as a cut through,...visiting Springs,doctors and community centre maybe,cut through,no.
weyfarer
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9:00pm Wed 10 Mar 10
no1buzz wrote:Read the south east plan, Aylesbury is building 1000 homes per year up to 2026, thousands already built, the new rail station in Aylesbury was built to accomodate the new estate of about 6000 homes. All the new road and transport infrastructure in Aylesbury was payed by government to support the 20000 houses. 1000's more being built in MK, that's why BCC got £400K funding to work out transport links between MK and Wycombe because they know there is a massive problem coming our way, some of it is here now, but there is much worse to come..
Can't find any reference to 20,000 new homes,surely that would double Aylesburys size? Still unconvinced that Stratton road had hundreds of cars using it as a cut through,...visiting Springs,doctors and community centre maybe,cut through,no.
You don't need to be convinced about the Stratton Road cut through, they used to come past my house several a minute in the evening, I thought it was nearby residents returning home,never thought a thing about it, now it's quiet as hell round here at 5.00pm, and the longer queues on the 4010 support this, we need a by-pass in PR. But that's another debate.
miccles says...
3:36pm Fri 5 Mar 10
All these trial and error situations are going to hold up the traffic just as much.