Councillor threatens to smash video camera at chaotic meeting (From Bucks Free Press)

Oh my gawd, it all happens in Walford ... oops, I mean Hughenden. Can't wait for next weeks episode.

councillors should know better, but it seems they don't. They are meant to be learned people..sorry i'm laughing....

This is the council , whose BCC member said he didn't want people from Wycombe coming to his Hughenden Valley.
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Who on earth would want to associate with such a back-biting, malicious truculent pig-headed warring internecine nasty crowd (as reported) as these have been seen to be over past months.
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Well the Folks of Wycombe say - No Thank You Very Much ; not even if paid to do so. Hughenden Councillors - Stay 'safe' in your own little war zone - but please Hughenden Councillors - stay out of Wycombe - we don't need or want your sort here. We have our own unpleasant disliked council members thanks.

Excellent report, by the way BFP.

The quoted remarks in this article form a written record - the reporter is guilty of making a written record of the meeting. The ruling is ridiculous - it is saying that the public can come and watch and listen to meetings but not write down anything councillors say. The meeting is either public and on the record or it's not. Someone's got something to hide and be afraid about, that's for sure.

This may be a vexatious question, but would a symptom of having something to hide perhaps be a tendency to refuse requests for information rasied under Freedom of Information Act 2000, do you think?
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Perhaps the passing of a resolution not to answer any questions about things that have gone on in the past?
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Perhaps the holding of as much of the meeting as possible in the 'Confidential Items' section?
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Perhaps refusing to answer on the spot questions requiring simple 'yes' or 'no' answers when raised in public speaking?
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Those sort of symptoms? Would they suggest something to hide in your opinion WD?

J B Blackett wrote:
This is the council , whose BCC member said he didn't want people from Wycombe coming to his Hughenden Valley. . Who on earth would want to associate with such a back-biting, malicious truculent pig-headed warring internecine nasty crowd (as reported) as these have been seen to be over past months. . Well the Folks of Wycombe say - No Thank You Very Much ; not even if paid to do so. Hughenden Councillors - Stay 'safe' in your own little war zone - but please Hughenden Councillors - stay out of Wycombe - we don't need or want your sort here. We have our own unpleasant disliked council members thanks.

I think that even the person you have in mind may well have distanced himself from HPC over the past couple of weeks. Can't blame him for that.

So no You Tube posts this time?

deecee01 wrote:
So no You Tube posts this time?

Dunno but I suspect you may be able to download the verbatim notes on Kindle
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And see the re-enacment at the Wycombe Swan over Christmas, possibly with Peter Andre as the Dame

It's great to find out that fascism still prevails in parts of Buckinghamshire, especially on the eve of rememberance day

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:
This is the council , whose BCC member said he didn't want people from Wycombe coming to his Hughenden Valley. . Who on earth would want to associate with such a back-biting, malicious truculent pig-headed warring internecine nasty crowd (as reported) as these have been seen to be over past months. . Well the Folks of Wycombe say - No Thank You Very Much ; not even if paid to do so. Hughenden Councillors - Stay 'safe' in your own little war zone - but please Hughenden Councillors - stay out of Wycombe - we don't need or want your sort here. We have our own unpleasant disliked council members thanks.

I think that even the person you have in mind may well have distanced himself from HPC over the past couple of weeks. Can't blame him for that.

You mean Baron P Frankenstein has disown his monster(s) and washed his hands of its multifarious misdeeds.
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It all reads like the monster(s) are out of control and are becoming a threat to the whole Hughenden community.
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That's what may have happened because something was created / stitched together out of spare parts or damaged organs discarded by others with no thought or regard to compatibility , tissue matching or the terrible chaotic consequences.
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The Villagers must now tackle the monster before it does even more damage to local people and the environment.
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It is now too late to follow the democratic process as the monster appears to be totally oblivious of / immune to / ignorant of that precious procedure.
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Your Future is in Your Own Hands. Don't let it be stolen from you.

When will the parish councillors realise that they are there to represent their parishioners and by failing to do so they are in breach of their duty? No wonder everyone is so annoyed with their actions.
The whole of idea of building on green belt is a silly one and needs to stop now! Maybe then normality will return.

J B Blackett wrote:

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:
This is the council , whose BCC member said he didn't want people from Wycombe coming to his Hughenden Valley. . Who on earth would want to associate with such a back-biting, malicious truculent pig-headed warring internecine nasty crowd (as reported) as these have been seen to be over past months. . Well the Folks of Wycombe say - No Thank You Very Much ; not even if paid to do so. Hughenden Councillors - Stay 'safe' in your own little war zone - but please Hughenden Councillors - stay out of Wycombe - we don't need or want your sort here. We have our own unpleasant disliked council members thanks.

I think that even the person you have in mind may well have distanced himself from HPC over the past couple of weeks. Can't blame him for that.

You mean Baron P Frankenstein has disown his monster(s) and washed his hands of its multifarious misdeeds.
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It all reads like the monster(s) are out of control and are becoming a threat to the whole Hughenden community.
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That's what may have happened because something was created / stitched together out of spare parts or damaged organs discarded by others with no thought or regard to compatibility , tissue matching or the terrible chaotic consequences.
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The Villagers must now tackle the monster before it does even more damage to local people and the environment.
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It is now too late to follow the democratic process as the monster appears to be totally oblivious of / immune to / ignorant of that precious procedure.
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Your Future is in Your Own Hands. Don't let it be stolen from you.

More power Igor! Pass me the electrodes!

Save our green belt wrote:
When will the parish councillors realise that they are there to represent their parishioners and by failing to do so they are in breach of their duty? No wonder everyone is so annoyed with their actions.
The whole of idea of building on green belt is a silly one and needs to stop now! Maybe then normality will return.

Well said I could not agree more and once again I am disturbed to see the state this council is getting into.

Absolutely outrageous that a councillor should threaten a member of the public. Evidence of how much he has lost sight of his role as an elected representative. I hope he does the honourable thing and resigns.

It is clear from the excellent report that HPC broke the law last night. Any decisions taken after going into a Part II without a vote are illegal.

This sad episode is following the usual pattern of councils that have lost touch with their electorate. They are attempting to use the law (but using statutes that don't apply or making their own up on the hoof). This draws more attention to their pathetic and desperate ploys and incites more public reaction. The sooner they learn the meaning of the word compromise the better for all concerned.

In the councils' trade body's 'Good Councillors' Guide' there is a clear theme that a Parish Council exists to do good for its community. This lot need to go back to basics and think about their purpose.

Very strange behaviour for a group of individuals facing re-election in six months.

WDC has a Standards Committee that is supposed to do something about this sort of thing both at DC and PC level. Their role is doubly important now the hopeless Standards for England quango has gone. Does anyone know of a situation where they have actually investigated a complaint by a member of the public against a councillor?

I love the smell of deleted comments in the morning. Even better the the small of 'Rotten Boroughs'

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:
I love the smell of deleted comments in the morning. Even better the the small of 'Rotten Boroughs'

'Small'? Freudian. I meant 'stench'.

It's an absolute shambles, what happened to decent behavior and respect. Parish Councillors that have little or no abilty to deal with any form of challenge other than mundane matters. As for the thugish behaviour of one it just shows lack if intellect.

But what about the public behavior it seems that could go either way.

Surley there is some way to force the Parish Council to stand down and call an election?
That is, if any one is willing to stand and sort out this long term mess?

efbog wrote:
It's an absolute shambles, what happened to decent behavior and respect. Parish Councillors that have little or no abilty to deal with any form of challenge other than mundane matters. As for the thugish behaviour of one it just shows lack if intellect. But what about the public behavior it seems that could go either way. Surley there is some way to force the Parish Council to stand down and call an election? That is, if any one is willing to stand and sort out this long term mess?

I know of one person who will definitely be standing for election (a proper election) in May, with the sole aim of handing back leadership of the Parish to its Parishioners

Some councils routinely video their meetings and make them available on their council's website so that taxpayers can see how democracy works.
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It goes some way to supporting responsibility and accountability.
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Those councillors and officers who do not like to be recorded should re-examine the things they do and the things they say when they are supposedly representing their electors.
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I find it amazing that Hughenden Valley councillors would object to anything they say or do at a council meeting being recorded.
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In fact, it might actually improve the democratic process if it happened more often.

If Rick Gould tried to smash my camera, by the time paramedics had extracted it, he would have some good footage of the inside of his large intestine.

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:
This is the council , whose BCC member said he didn't want people from Wycombe coming to his Hughenden Valley. . Who on earth would want to associate with such a back-biting, malicious truculent pig-headed warring internecine nasty crowd (as reported) as these have been seen to be over past months. . Well the Folks of Wycombe say - No Thank You Very Much ; not even if paid to do so. Hughenden Councillors - Stay 'safe' in your own little war zone - but please Hughenden Councillors - stay out of Wycombe - we don't need or want your sort here. We have our own unpleasant disliked council members thanks.

I think that even the person you have in mind may well have distanced himself from HPC over the past couple of weeks. Can't blame him for that.

You mean Baron P Frankenstein has disown his monster(s) and washed his hands of its multifarious misdeeds.
.
It all reads like the monster(s) are out of control and are becoming a threat to the whole Hughenden community.
.
That's what may have happened because something was created / stitched together out of spare parts or damaged organs discarded by others with no thought or regard to compatibility , tissue matching or the terrible chaotic consequences.
.
The Villagers must now tackle the monster before it does even more damage to local people and the environment.
.
It is now too late to follow the democratic process as the monster appears to be totally oblivious of / immune to / ignorant of that precious procedure.
.
Your Future is in Your Own Hands. Don't let it be stolen from you.

More power Igor! Pass me the electrodes!

Did you mean 'elected toads' ?

J B Blackett wrote:

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

J B Blackett wrote: This is the council , whose BCC member said he didn't want people from Wycombe coming to his Hughenden Valley. . Who on earth would want to associate with such a back-biting, malicious truculent pig-headed warring internecine nasty crowd (as reported) as these have been seen to be over past months. . Well the Folks of Wycombe say - No Thank You Very Much ; not even if paid to do so. Hughenden Councillors - Stay 'safe' in your own little war zone - but please Hughenden Councillors - stay out of Wycombe - we don't need or want your sort here. We have our own unpleasant disliked council members thanks.

I think that even the person you have in mind may well have distanced himself from HPC over the past couple of weeks. Can't blame him for that.

You mean Baron P Frankenstein has disown his monster(s) and washed his hands of its multifarious misdeeds. . It all reads like the monster(s) are out of control and are becoming a threat to the whole Hughenden community. . That's what may have happened because something was created / stitched together out of spare parts or damaged organs discarded by others with no thought or regard to compatibility , tissue matching or the terrible chaotic consequences. . The Villagers must now tackle the monster before it does even more damage to local people and the environment. . It is now too late to follow the democratic process as the monster appears to be totally oblivious of / immune to / ignorant of that precious procedure. . Your Future is in Your Own Hands. Don't let it be stolen from you.

More power Igor! Pass me the electrodes!

Did you mean 'elected toads' ?

If 'elected' includes 'elected unopposed' and 'co-opted' then possibly.
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However, I would hate to give the impression that I have something against cold-blooded reptiles in general. Not even poisonous ones, in general.

scorpio11 wrote:
It's great to find out that fascism still prevails in parts of Buckinghamshire, especially on the eve of rememberance day

I have great pride in my ancestors who fought and died for our freedom.

Nearly a hundred years on and we have the 'jackboot' regime again.

Like our 'Poppies' we will never surrender.

Peace, democracy, honesty and transparency will return to Hughenden Parish.

As reported - I was not there - this appears an obscenity and an outrage.

No verbatim reporting? Minutes to be prepared and filtered by a lackey?

Tumbrils should roll in Hughenden!

And in a few other comfy-council enclaves, in our leafy Buckinghamshire

The people have had this double-barreled overweening arrogance up to their chins.
Sack them all, their minions, their cronies, their minders, their in-laws, their business contacts, their inherent smugness.
Peel off those masks, and see the derelicts beneath.

Enough!
Out !

Michael, HP7
November 2010

J B Blackett, Ewart Bulldozer
Your multi-superimposing of previous replies on a thread is like donkeys playing ping-pong
Stick to the point of the article, and/or matters arising.

I do NOT wish to re-read your entire brayings, several times over.

Or, is this a little club of pub-bore forum familiars?

May I say that I respect both of your articulated views.

Just could the donkeys stop playing ping-pong?

Quote a salient sentence, from the original report, or from the ensuing thread.

Rather than regurgitate stuff several times over.

Donkeys playing ping-pong.

This is a forum, not an imbecilic play-area for point-scorers.
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Michael, HP7
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Be very careful people if you even vaguely hint at a conspiracy theory then your comment will be deleted, as mine was, even though I have yet to have the reason explained to me!
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If the BFP was a 'proper' paper they would investigate this thoroughly (as I suggested to them), but I won't hold my breath!

THERE WAS ALSO A FRACAS AT THE NELL QUINN TEA ROOMS LAST WEEK SOMEONE THREW SOME SCONES AND JAM - SHOCKING CARRY-ON.
JUDGE

Michael, HP7 wrote:
J B Blackett, Ewart Bulldozer
Your multi-superimposing of previous replies on a thread is like donkeys playing ping-pong
Stick to the point of the article, and/or matters arising.

I do NOT wish to re-read your entire brayings, several times over.

Or, is this a little club of pub-bore forum familiars?

May I say that I respect both of your articulated views.

Just could the donkeys stop playing ping-pong?

Quote a salient sentence, from the original report, or from the ensuing thread.

Rather than regurgitate stuff several times over.

Donkeys playing ping-pong.

This is a forum, not an imbecilic play-area for point-scorers.
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Michael, HP7
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Michael HP7 1
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f the BFP was a 'proper' paper ...

"Be very careful people if you even vaguely hint at a conspiracy theory then your comment will be deleted, as mine was, even though I have yet to have the reason explained to me!"
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Sounds like a nutter.
Perhaps she is a moderator on a local forum. So quiet lately.

Along with white-van Heathrow driver, no names mentioned.

Great fan of the military, he. Beware loose security and
Snoopy-dog's.
Amersham.org moderators.
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Must com'b my dog's before hubby get's back, to our three bin's sprawling acre's.

I noticed there was a stale chip in the coffee shop recently.
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This busybody would not last two seconds in a newspaper office.

Better off combing her dog's.

And fellow-moderating mutual navel fluff. Elsewhere.

Bye!

Michael, HP7 wrote:
f the BFP was a 'proper' paper ...

"Be very careful people if you even vaguely hint at a conspiracy theory then your comment will be deleted, as mine was, even though I have yet to have the reason explained to me!"
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Sounds like a nutter.
Perhaps she is a moderator on a local forum. So quiet lately.

Along with white-van Heathrow driver, no names mentioned.

Great fan of the military, he. Beware loose security and
Snoopy-dog's.
Amersham.org moderators.
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Must com'b my dog's before hubby get's back, to our three bin's sprawling acre's.

I noticed there was a stale chip in the coffee shop recently.
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This busybody would not last two seconds in a newspaper office.

Better off combing her dog's.

And fellow-moderating mutual navel fluff. Elsewhere.

Bye!

Thanks for getting us back to the point there Mike

I think the Chairman is entitled to decide whether to permit recording and the F&A paragraph was just about what should go in standing orders. What was outrageous was that the Agenda item included the word 'written' as though it was in NALC Model standing orders. But nice to see that a well reasoned argument by a couple of Councillors won the day and got 'written' removed. Also interesting how the Chairman added a new item that wasn't on the Agenda - under 8., I believe - and then refused to allow another point to be raised by a Councillor because it was not on the Agenda.
Strange that in these days of the Big Society and greater transparency for public bodies, we seem to have a Parish Council firmly entrenched in Victorian times.

bintheredonethat wrote:
I think the Chairman is entitled to decide whether to permit recording and the F&A paragraph was just about what should go in standing orders. What was outrageous was that the Agenda item included the word 'written' as though it was in NALC Model standing orders. But nice to see that a well reasoned argument by a couple of Councillors won the day and got 'written' removed. Also interesting how the Chairman added a new item that wasn't on the Agenda - under 8., I believe - and then refused to allow another point to be raised by a Councillor because it was not on the Agenda. Strange that in these days of the Big Society and greater transparency for public bodies, we seem to have a Parish Council firmly entrenched in Victorian times.

I feel a period fancy dress theme developing for the December HPC Monthly Pantomime - 'Dickensian Democracy'
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I think we have clear candidates for the roles of Queen Victoria, Bill Sykes and Bull's Eye. But what about the ghosts of RAH processes past, present and future?

I totally agree about the accuracy of the minutes and would trust the person who takes them with my life.

Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that the police will take any action. Likewise our District and County Councillors with the exception of Councillor Carroll will turn a blind eye. A sad state of affairs considering they are being paid with our Council Tax. Too many committees and too many useless QUANGOs happily taking money when there are so many important things being cut from BCC's budget.

Trouble is they never listen

ailverthreads wrote:-

"I totally agree about the accuracy of the minutes and would trust the person who takes them with my life"
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Just so I understand, do you mean the official minutes of HPC meetings or the verbatim notes taken by 'one woman', according to the HPC article?
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Not that I doubt you would trust either of them with your life, obviously....

When the going gets tough the tough disappear. Strange that Councillors Pushman and Gibbs always seem to have other committments when they should witness their junior Council's behaviour. Still, they and members of HPC are all mates...............
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