Census 2011: Population in south Bucks up almost six percent

2:04pm Monday 16th July 2012 in Politics By Simon Farr

Census 2011: Population in south Bucks up almost six percent Census 2011: Population in south Bucks up almost six percent

SOUTH Buckinghamshire’s population increased by almost six percent during the last ten years, according to new census data released today.

The combined population of the Wycombe, Chiltern and South Bucks districts now stands at 331,200.

There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago.

The Chilterns has gained 3,372 new residents in the last ten years, with the population count ticking over to 92,600 people.

And there are now 66,900 people living in the South Bucks district, which is a rise of 4,995 people since the last survey in 2001.

The overall population of England and Wales shot up by 3.7 million people to 56.1 million.

Buckinghamshire’s population is 505,300.

People were asked to complete a compulsory form asking a host of questions - including age, gender, education, health, job titles, ethnic background and national identity - in March last year.

The results of the census will be used to plan public services.

To view a breakdown of the Census 2011 results, click on the link.

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Comments (58)

3:23pm Mon 16 Jul 12

tigeran says...

Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.
Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling. tigeran

3:25pm Mon 16 Jul 12

tigeran says...

Oh, forgot to mention the so called 'asylum seekers' from every where else.
Oh, forgot to mention the so called 'asylum seekers' from every where else. tigeran

3:28pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Cyclo says...

tigeran wrote:
Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.
You are entitled to go to other EU countries of course, to work or to freeload .....
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to go to other EU countries of course, to work or to freeload ..... Cyclo

3:56pm Mon 16 Jul 12

chris toff says...

Cyclo wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.
You are entitled to go to other EU countries of course, to work or to freeload .....
Why do you think Everybody comes here .......... ??
Because they or us wont get given as much in Their country s as this Country gives to Everyone ..... And At Our Expense .......!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cyclo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to go to other EU countries of course, to work or to freeload .....[/p][/quote]Why do you think Everybody comes here .......... ?? Because they or us wont get given as much in Their country s as this Country gives to Everyone ..... And At Our Expense .......!!! chris toff

3:56pm Mon 16 Jul 12

rem708 says...

This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population.

Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration?

Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.
This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population. Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration? Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!. rem708

4:00pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Flackwell says...

we don't need an area of outstanding natural beauty - let's just tarmac the whole lot
we don't need an area of outstanding natural beauty - let's just tarmac the whole lot Flackwell

4:13pm Mon 16 Jul 12

tigeran says...

rem708 wrote:
This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population.

Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration?

Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.
It could be a mixture of both. We are constantly hearing how feckless people are actually encouraged to have very large families due to the system (for every child you get more money). This has increased in itself over the last 15 years due to social engineering that Labour encouraged by handing out more and more to people who have never worked and have no intension of ever working so yes it is most probably due to both the EU (human rights have a lot to answer for too) and bigger families of undesireables all of whom will continue to breed like flies.
[quote][p][bold]rem708[/bold] wrote: This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population. Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration? Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.[/p][/quote]It could be a mixture of both. We are constantly hearing how feckless people are actually encouraged to have very large families due to the system (for every child you get more money). This has increased in itself over the last 15 years due to social engineering that Labour encouraged by handing out more and more to people who have never worked and have no intension of ever working so yes it is most probably due to both the EU (human rights have a lot to answer for too) and bigger families of undesireables all of whom will continue to breed like flies. tigeran

4:21pm Mon 16 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Flackwell wrote:
we don't need an area of outstanding natural beauty - let's just tarmac the whole lot
We will need some outstanding natural tarmac-ers to make it look nice - with lots of potted plants , raised beds (bunks ?) and preferably strategically placed clumps of native trees in big green wooden British barrels
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I myself am a free loader.
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I have a load of hard core I need to get rid of - and it's free to anybody who wants to pick it up.
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Please note - No money (of any denomination) will be accepted or received. And no hand-carts , hand-outs or handymen either, Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Flackwell[/bold] wrote: we don't need an area of outstanding natural beauty - let's just tarmac the whole lot[/p][/quote]We will need some outstanding natural tarmac-ers to make it look nice - with lots of potted plants , raised beds (bunks ?) and preferably strategically placed clumps of native trees in big green wooden British barrels . I myself am a free loader. . I have a load of hard core I need to get rid of - and it's free to anybody who wants to pick it up. . Please note - No money (of any denomination) will be accepted or received. And no hand-carts , hand-outs or handymen either, Thank you. J B Blackett

5:08pm Mon 16 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

tigeran wrote:
rem708 wrote:
This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population.

Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration?

Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.
It could be a mixture of both. We are constantly hearing how feckless people are actually encouraged to have very large families due to the system (for every child you get more money). This has increased in itself over the last 15 years due to social engineering that Labour encouraged by handing out more and more to people who have never worked and have no intension of ever working so yes it is most probably due to both the EU (human rights have a lot to answer for too) and bigger families of undesireables all of whom will continue to breed like flies.
Apparently flies have had a very bad summer.
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Due to the weather they have not been breeding like they usually do. So it's bad news for the all birds and spiders.
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But perhaps the animals will turn on people , attack them , eat them and solve the out-of-control human over-population problem.
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[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rem708[/bold] wrote: This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population. Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration? Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.[/p][/quote]It could be a mixture of both. We are constantly hearing how feckless people are actually encouraged to have very large families due to the system (for every child you get more money). This has increased in itself over the last 15 years due to social engineering that Labour encouraged by handing out more and more to people who have never worked and have no intension of ever working so yes it is most probably due to both the EU (human rights have a lot to answer for too) and bigger families of undesireables all of whom will continue to breed like flies.[/p][/quote]Apparently flies have had a very bad summer. . Due to the weather they have not been breeding like they usually do. So it's bad news for the all birds and spiders. . But perhaps the animals will turn on people , attack them , eat them and solve the out-of-control human over-population problem. . J B Blackett

6:15pm Mon 16 Jul 12

Dr Truth says...

here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com
/2012/07/16/census-2
011-racist-diatribes
-up-by-55/
here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com /2012/07/16/census-2 011-racist-diatribes -up-by-55/ Dr Truth

6:24pm Mon 16 Jul 12

rem708 says...

tigeran wrote:
rem708 wrote:
This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population.

Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration?

Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.
It could be a mixture of both. We are constantly hearing how feckless people are actually encouraged to have very large families due to the system (for every child you get more money). This has increased in itself over the last 15 years due to social engineering that Labour encouraged by handing out more and more to people who have never worked and have no intension of ever working so yes it is most probably due to both the EU (human rights have a lot to answer for too) and bigger families of undesireables all of whom will continue to breed like flies.
I agree. Personally we could solve two problems in one go. Limit child benefit to just the first two children. I appreciate the cost of raising the first but the subsequent costs are much reduced with re-use of clothing etc. It would help prevent the steady increase population and reduce the benefit costs.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rem708[/bold] wrote: This is one reason why we have no water! Its not a case of global warming its too much demand by too many people. There is a finite resource so stop the increase in population. Lets have some real figures. Is it bigger families or is it immigration? Of course those who are here illegally won't be on the census anyway so the actual figure is going to be much higher!.[/p][/quote]It could be a mixture of both. We are constantly hearing how feckless people are actually encouraged to have very large families due to the system (for every child you get more money). This has increased in itself over the last 15 years due to social engineering that Labour encouraged by handing out more and more to people who have never worked and have no intension of ever working so yes it is most probably due to both the EU (human rights have a lot to answer for too) and bigger families of undesireables all of whom will continue to breed like flies.[/p][/quote]I agree. Personally we could solve two problems in one go. Limit child benefit to just the first two children. I appreciate the cost of raising the first but the subsequent costs are much reduced with re-use of clothing etc. It would help prevent the steady increase population and reduce the benefit costs. rem708

6:32pm Mon 16 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

Dr Truth wrote:
here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com

/2012/07/16/census-2

011-racist-diatribes

-up-by-55/
sums it up nicely :-)
[quote][p][bold]Dr Truth[/bold] wrote: here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com /2012/07/16/census-2 011-racist-diatribes -up-by-55/[/p][/quote]sums it up nicely :-) tom.marlow2

7:40pm Mon 16 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

tom.marlow2 wrote:
Dr Truth wrote:
here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com


/2012/07/16/census-2


011-racist-diatribes


-up-by-55/
sums it up nicely :-)
Taken from News Thump ? - the publication for the non-violent but extremist luvvies and bourgeois 'middle-class' intelligentsia and read / supported / sponsored by the very tolerant and fairly nicely-off wing of the Pure and Pious Pontificating Party ?
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Sorry - never read it . Prefer to peruse the 'truth' in Private Eye , the Independent and divers Mills and Boon communiques.
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There is still just about enough room on this small planet for all of us. As long as people have respect the blessed Earth that we live on, for themselves and the views of others. If not .......
[quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Truth[/bold] wrote: here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com /2012/07/16/census-2 011-racist-diatribes -up-by-55/[/p][/quote]sums it up nicely :-)[/p][/quote]Taken from News Thump ? - the publication for the non-violent but extremist luvvies and bourgeois 'middle-class' intelligentsia and read / supported / sponsored by the very tolerant and fairly nicely-off wing of the Pure and Pious Pontificating Party ? . Sorry - never read it . Prefer to peruse the 'truth' in Private Eye , the Independent and divers Mills and Boon communiques. . There is still just about enough room on this small planet for all of us. As long as people have respect the blessed Earth that we live on, for themselves and the views of others. If not ....... J B Blackett

10:38pm Mon 16 Jul 12

delb88 says...

Slightly off topic...

Quote...
"There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago."

Well, in that case, we don't really need a proper hospital, do we?................
Slightly off topic... Quote... "There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago." Well, in that case, we don't really need a proper hospital, do we?................ delb88

12:27am Tue 17 Jul 12

wayneo says...

delb88 wrote:
Slightly off topic... Quote... "There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago." Well, in that case, we don't really need a proper hospital, do we?................
Quite, I know, in the meantime, while the population increases, the tax burden is ever increasing and the Council takes more in the coffers; let's transfer A&E to an alread overstretched Stoke Mandeville, let's dress the cuts up as service improvements then palm off the existing glorified out of hours surgery as an alternative. The public are of course too stupid or pre-occupied with X-Factor and Big brother to notice or care.
[quote][p][bold]delb88[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic... Quote... "There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago." Well, in that case, we don't really need a proper hospital, do we?................[/p][/quote]Quite, I know, in the meantime, while the population increases, the tax burden is ever increasing and the Council takes more in the coffers; let's transfer A&E to an alread overstretched Stoke Mandeville, let's dress the cuts up as service improvements then palm off the existing glorified out of hours surgery as an alternative. The public are of course too stupid or pre-occupied with X-Factor and Big brother to notice or care. wayneo

12:39am Tue 17 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Far too many people, not enough proper work and too few resources.
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The end result of stupid policies inflicted on people by useless self-interested greedy politicians.
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Please note that Politics is the only expanding job market and is promoted as 'full of golden opportunities' (for the chosen few).
Far too many people, not enough proper work and too few resources. . The end result of stupid policies inflicted on people by useless self-interested greedy politicians. . Please note that Politics is the only expanding job market and is promoted as 'full of golden opportunities' (for the chosen few). J B Blackett

12:43am Tue 17 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

We are governed by liars, cheats and charlatans.
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Do not believe their lies. Or their statistics. The statistics are Their statistics and are merely as true as their lies.
We are governed by liars, cheats and charlatans. . Do not believe their lies. Or their statistics. The statistics are Their statistics and are merely as true as their lies. J B Blackett

6:33am Tue 17 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

wayneo wrote:
delb88 wrote:
Slightly off topic... Quote... "There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago." Well, in that case, we don't really need a proper hospital, do we?................
Quite, I know, in the meantime, while the population increases, the tax burden is ever increasing and the Council takes more in the coffers; let's transfer A&E to an alread overstretched Stoke Mandeville, let's dress the cuts up as service improvements then palm off the existing glorified out of hours surgery as an alternative. The public are of course too stupid or pre-occupied with X-Factor and Big brother to notice or care.
Are you including yourself in this?
Afterall, you are a member of the public ;)
[quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]delb88[/bold] wrote: Slightly off topic... Quote... "There are 171,700 people living in the Wycombe district, which is an increase of 9,595 people from a decade ago." Well, in that case, we don't really need a proper hospital, do we?................[/p][/quote]Quite, I know, in the meantime, while the population increases, the tax burden is ever increasing and the Council takes more in the coffers; let's transfer A&E to an alread overstretched Stoke Mandeville, let's dress the cuts up as service improvements then palm off the existing glorified out of hours surgery as an alternative. The public are of course too stupid or pre-occupied with X-Factor and Big brother to notice or care.[/p][/quote]Are you including yourself in this? Afterall, you are a member of the public ;) demoness the second

9:20am Tue 17 Jul 12

tigeran says...

Dr Truth wrote:
here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com

/2012/07/16/census-2

011-racist-diatribes

-up-by-55/
What we should be doing is stopping immegration altogether (except, for example, people brining businesses into the country that would provide jobs) and making the 'ususal suspects' of whom survive soley on benefits, do any job they are capable of doing and so reduce the huge amount of money being spent on benefits for a start. Too many people in this country.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Truth[/bold] wrote: here's how the story broke nationally earlier http://newsthump.com /2012/07/16/census-2 011-racist-diatribes -up-by-55/[/p][/quote]What we should be doing is stopping immegration altogether (except, for example, people brining businesses into the country that would provide jobs) and making the 'ususal suspects' of whom survive soley on benefits, do any job they are capable of doing and so reduce the huge amount of money being spent on benefits for a start. Too many people in this country. tigeran

9:20am Tue 17 Jul 12

AmyQ says...

Once again, this is a sketchy report based on a national news piece. It would be good to have hard facts on the changes that have occurred in Wycombe over the past decade.
I believe that along with immigration we have seen a rise in births (although from personal experience there are just as many parents deciding to not have children due to childcare costs which could prove costly to our crime system in a few years). We are also seeing the health of our elderly improve with the average mortality age being 83 in a report in 2009. And, how many families moved in to take advantage of the school system, jobs and the like versus those who moved out of the area? Figures please!
Once again, this is a sketchy report based on a national news piece. It would be good to have hard facts on the changes that have occurred in Wycombe over the past decade. I believe that along with immigration we have seen a rise in births (although from personal experience there are just as many parents deciding to not have children due to childcare costs which could prove costly to our crime system in a few years). We are also seeing the health of our elderly improve with the average mortality age being 83 in a report in 2009. And, how many families moved in to take advantage of the school system, jobs and the like versus those who moved out of the area? Figures please! AmyQ

9:24am Tue 17 Jul 12

Agniesca says...

I am surprised that even after the recent NHS and hospital debacle when, all politicians of all hues were opposed to the changes, there are still those who believe that our elected members are in any way responsible. The major decisions in the UK are now taken by unelected bureaucrats.
I am surprised that even after the recent NHS and hospital debacle when, all politicians of all hues were opposed to the changes, there are still those who believe that our elected members are in any way responsible. The major decisions in the UK are now taken by unelected bureaucrats. Agniesca

11:34am Tue 17 Jul 12

tigeran says...

Stopping child benefits altogether so that you could only have children if you were working and could afford it would help massively in so many ways not only in curbing the uncontrolable rise in population but would also save billions a year.
Stopping child benefits altogether so that you could only have children if you were working and could afford it would help massively in so many ways not only in curbing the uncontrolable rise in population but would also save billions a year. tigeran

2:28pm Tue 17 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Yes that's right - starve the poor , sick and unemployed into submission or Death. Especially when there is a surplus of people everywhere and no work or prospect of work for them.
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The governing classes of this country made that policy work in the past - quite a few times And it is still working currently for cruel strict regimes in some other countries which you all may know about.
Yes that's right - starve the poor , sick and unemployed into submission or Death. Especially when there is a surplus of people everywhere and no work or prospect of work for them. . The governing classes of this country made that policy work in the past - quite a few times And it is still working currently for cruel strict regimes in some other countries which you all may know about. J B Blackett

3:49pm Tue 17 Jul 12

tigeran says...

J B Blackett wrote:
Yes that's right - starve the poor , sick and unemployed into submission or Death. Especially when there is a surplus of people everywhere and no work or prospect of work for them.
.
The governing classes of this country made that policy work in the past - quite a few times And it is still working currently for cruel strict regimes in some other countries which you all may know about.
Please, please, PLEASE tell me how on earth you came up with me wanting to "starve the poor , sick and unemployed into submission or Death" from what I said above?! I am merely pointing out the fact that if you cant afford children, DONT HAVE THEM!! What of that do you not understand?
[quote][p][bold]J B Blackett[/bold] wrote: Yes that's right - starve the poor , sick and unemployed into submission or Death. Especially when there is a surplus of people everywhere and no work or prospect of work for them. . The governing classes of this country made that policy work in the past - quite a few times And it is still working currently for cruel strict regimes in some other countries which you all may know about.[/p][/quote]Please, please, PLEASE tell me how on earth you came up with me wanting to "starve the poor , sick and unemployed into submission or Death" from what I said above?! I am merely pointing out the fact that if you cant afford children, DONT HAVE THEM!! What of that do you not understand? tigeran

4:20pm Tue 17 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

I said you were right. Some poor people however can't even afford contraception, allegedly (BBC 2 TV last week). What to do ?
I said you were right. Some poor people however can't even afford contraception, allegedly (BBC 2 TV last week). What to do ? J B Blackett

5:42pm Tue 17 Jul 12

tigeran says...

J B Blackett wrote:
I said you were right. Some poor people however can't even afford contraception, allegedly (BBC 2 TV last week). What to do ?
Ah ok, you were not very clear! I bet the afore mentioned on BBC 2 have SKY tv, a 50" tv to watch it on and enough money for the pub and maybe the occasional illegal substance though!!!
[quote][p][bold]J B Blackett[/bold] wrote: I said you were right. Some poor people however can't even afford contraception, allegedly (BBC 2 TV last week). What to do ?[/p][/quote]Ah ok, you were not very clear! I bet the afore mentioned on BBC 2 have SKY tv, a 50" tv to watch it on and enough money for the pub and maybe the occasional illegal substance though!!! tigeran

9:10pm Tue 17 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

Well, that newsthump piece was pretty accurate, but then satire often is.
Well, that newsthump piece was pretty accurate, but then satire often is. tom.marlow2

10:36pm Tue 17 Jul 12

wayneo says...

Agniesca wrote:
I am surprised that even after the recent NHS and hospital debacle when, all politicians of all hues were opposed to the changes, there are still those who believe that our elected members are in any way responsible. The major decisions in the UK are now taken by unelected bureaucrats.
Yes, they are.
[quote][p][bold]Agniesca[/bold] wrote: I am surprised that even after the recent NHS and hospital debacle when, all politicians of all hues were opposed to the changes, there are still those who believe that our elected members are in any way responsible. The major decisions in the UK are now taken by unelected bureaucrats.[/p][/quote]Yes, they are. wayneo

11:38pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Mohamed K says...

chris toff wrote:
Cyclo wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.
You are entitled to go to other EU countries of course, to work or to freeload .....
Why do you think Everybody comes here .......... ??
Because they or us wont get given as much in Their country s as this Country gives to Everyone ..... And At Our Expense .......!!!
Chris toff and tigeran are right - there are too many foreigners from Europe here - could be worse tho - at least we are not in the Euro.
[quote][p][bold]chris toff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyclo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: Probably down to all the freeloaders from the EU. No wonder our services are struggling.[/p][/quote]You are entitled to go to other EU countries of course, to work or to freeload .....[/p][/quote]Why do you think Everybody comes here .......... ?? Because they or us wont get given as much in Their country s as this Country gives to Everyone ..... And At Our Expense .......!!![/p][/quote]Chris toff and tigeran are right - there are too many foreigners from Europe here - could be worse tho - at least we are not in the Euro. Mohamed K

11:00am Wed 18 Jul 12

Stand up for England says...

Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend

Your days are numbered, being brought to an end

To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine

But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such

So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch

You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane

But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo

In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too

Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told

They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw

The pupils don't learn about them anymore

How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?

When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?

Europe is miles away, over the sea

We're the English from England , let's all be proud

Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!

Let's tell our Government and Brussels too

We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue

Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack

Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend Your days are numbered, being brought to an end To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine But don't say you're English, that's way out of line. The French and the Germans may call themselves such So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane But don't say you're English ever again. At Broadcasting House the word is taboo In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told They must not teach children about England of old. Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw The pupils don't learn about them anymore How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ? When England lost hosts of her very brave sons. We are not Europeans, how can we be? Europe is miles away, over the sea We're the English from England , let's all be proud Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud! Let's tell our Government and Brussels too We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!! Stand up for England

12:24pm Wed 18 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Not lost but gone before
Not lost but gone before J B Blackett

1:39pm Wed 18 Jul 12

I Love Ivor says...

Stand up for England wrote:
Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend

Your days are numbered, being brought to an end

To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine

But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such

So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch

You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane

But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo

In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too

Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told

They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw

The pupils don't learn about them anymore

How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?

When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?

Europe is miles away, over the sea

We're the English from England , let's all be proud

Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!

Let's tell our Government and Brussels too

We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue

Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack

Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
Here Here !
[quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend Your days are numbered, being brought to an end To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine But don't say you're English, that's way out of line. The French and the Germans may call themselves such So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane But don't say you're English ever again. At Broadcasting House the word is taboo In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told They must not teach children about England of old. Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw The pupils don't learn about them anymore How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ? When England lost hosts of her very brave sons. We are not Europeans, how can we be? Europe is miles away, over the sea We're the English from England , let's all be proud Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud! Let's tell our Government and Brussels too We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!![/p][/quote]Here Here ! I Love Ivor

3:12pm Wed 18 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Where , where ?
Where , where ? J B Blackett

8:00pm Wed 18 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

There, there.
There, there. tom.marlow2

9:25pm Wed 18 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Now, now
Now, now J B Blackett

9:42pm Wed 18 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

Stand up for England wrote:
Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend

Your days are numbered, being brought to an end

To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine

But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such

So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch

You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane

But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo

In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too

Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told

They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw

The pupils don't learn about them anymore

How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?

When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?

Europe is miles away, over the sea

We're the English from England , let's all be proud

Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!

Let's tell our Government and Brussels too

We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue

Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack

Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
Acts of Union 1707 was when the rot started.

My ancestors turned up as asylum seekers some 30 years later.
[quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend Your days are numbered, being brought to an end To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine But don't say you're English, that's way out of line. The French and the Germans may call themselves such So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane But don't say you're English ever again. At Broadcasting House the word is taboo In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told They must not teach children about England of old. Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw The pupils don't learn about them anymore How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ? When England lost hosts of her very brave sons. We are not Europeans, how can we be? Europe is miles away, over the sea We're the English from England , let's all be proud Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud! Let's tell our Government and Brussels too We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!![/p][/quote]Acts of Union 1707 was when the rot started. My ancestors turned up as asylum seekers some 30 years later. tom.marlow2

9:09am Thu 19 Jul 12

tigeran says...

tom.marlow2 wrote:
Stand up for England wrote:
Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend

Your days are numbered, being brought to an end

To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine

But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such

So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch

You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane

But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo

In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too

Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told

They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw

The pupils don't learn about them anymore

How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?

When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?

Europe is miles away, over the sea

We're the English from England , let's all be proud

Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!

Let's tell our Government and Brussels too

We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue

Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack

Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
Acts of Union 1707 was when the rot started.

My ancestors turned up as asylum seekers some 30 years later.
Yep, had we not got involved with the old 'sweaty socks' we would be FAR better off financially! What a drain on England!
[quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend Your days are numbered, being brought to an end To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine But don't say you're English, that's way out of line. The French and the Germans may call themselves such So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane But don't say you're English ever again. At Broadcasting House the word is taboo In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told They must not teach children about England of old. Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw The pupils don't learn about them anymore How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ? When England lost hosts of her very brave sons. We are not Europeans, how can we be? Europe is miles away, over the sea We're the English from England , let's all be proud Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud! Let's tell our Government and Brussels too We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!![/p][/quote]Acts of Union 1707 was when the rot started. My ancestors turned up as asylum seekers some 30 years later.[/p][/quote]Yep, had we not got involved with the old 'sweaty socks' we would be FAR better off financially! What a drain on England! tigeran

3:33pm Thu 19 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Since when was the Union Jack the flag of England?
So saying fly red white and blue in a poem lamenting the loss of our identity is a contradiction in terms surely?
Since when was the Union Jack the flag of England? So saying fly red white and blue in a poem lamenting the loss of our identity is a contradiction in terms surely? demoness the second

6:35pm Thu 19 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

tigeran wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
Stand up for England wrote:
Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend

Your days are numbered, being brought to an end

To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine

But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such

So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch

You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane

But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo

In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too

Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told

They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw

The pupils don't learn about them anymore

How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?

When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?

Europe is miles away, over the sea

We're the English from England , let's all be proud

Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!

Let's tell our Government and Brussels too

We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue

Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack

Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
Acts of Union 1707 was when the rot started.

My ancestors turned up as asylum seekers some 30 years later.
Yep, had we not got involved with the old 'sweaty socks' we would be FAR better off financially! What a drain on England!
On the other hand as well as being descended from 18th century asylum seekers, my mothers family are all Scots
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend Your days are numbered, being brought to an end To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine But don't say you're English, that's way out of line. The French and the Germans may call themselves such So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane But don't say you're English ever again. At Broadcasting House the word is taboo In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told They must not teach children about England of old. Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw The pupils don't learn about them anymore How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ? When England lost hosts of her very brave sons. We are not Europeans, how can we be? Europe is miles away, over the sea We're the English from England , let's all be proud Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud! Let's tell our Government and Brussels too We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!![/p][/quote]Acts of Union 1707 was when the rot started. My ancestors turned up as asylum seekers some 30 years later.[/p][/quote]Yep, had we not got involved with the old 'sweaty socks' we would be FAR better off financially! What a drain on England![/p][/quote]On the other hand as well as being descended from 18th century asylum seekers, my mothers family are all Scots tom.marlow2

6:54pm Thu 19 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

demoness the second wrote:
Since when was the Union Jack the flag of England?
So saying fly red white and blue in a poem lamenting the loss of our identity is a contradiction in terms surely?
On the contrary.
.
The raising of such a device could be interpreted is an ironic public visual display of sublimated or suppressed feelings encouraged by politicians during the period of 'The Games' to conflate imaginary nationalistic and patriotic emotions within the divers factions within a terminally fragmented , disconnected and disintegrating society.
.
A generated illusionary sense of 'togetherness' (and divisiveness as in 'us and them') - a ploy used by politicians and religious leaders to hold sway over and control the masses throughout time.
.
Folk who 'fly the Union flag' may in fact being doing it out of a sense of sheer mind-numbing ennui and a self-protective instinct brought about by over-exposure by the media to a lot of self-regarding (ie not very modest) people making money out of what is after all is just a business - not 'Sport' at all.
.
It worked for a lot of the Roman Emporers (for a while - about 400 years) but they ran out of money / taxes / victims in the end. And the poor / dispossessed / shut-out people got very bored with it all , all the different factions started to attack each other , then the Colliseum started to fall down.........
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Since when was the Union Jack the flag of England? So saying fly red white and blue in a poem lamenting the loss of our identity is a contradiction in terms surely?[/p][/quote]On the contrary. . The raising of such a device could be interpreted is an ironic public visual display of sublimated or suppressed feelings encouraged by politicians during the period of 'The Games' to conflate imaginary nationalistic and patriotic emotions within the divers factions within a terminally fragmented , disconnected and disintegrating society. . A generated illusionary sense of 'togetherness' (and divisiveness as in 'us and them') - a ploy used by politicians and religious leaders to hold sway over and control the masses throughout time. . Folk who 'fly the Union flag' may in fact being doing it out of a sense of sheer mind-numbing ennui and a self-protective instinct brought about by over-exposure by the media to a lot of self-regarding (ie not very modest) people making money out of what is after all is just a business - not 'Sport' at all. . It worked for a lot of the Roman Emporers (for a while - about 400 years) but they ran out of money / taxes / victims in the end. And the poor / dispossessed / shut-out people got very bored with it all , all the different factions started to attack each other , then the Colliseum started to fall down......... J B Blackett

11:13am Fri 20 Jul 12

Plus ça change... says...

Looks like all those individuals that malign Wycombe and those politicians that 'apologise' for us, and it, haven't left ...
Looks like all those individuals that malign Wycombe and those politicians that 'apologise' for us, and it, haven't left ... Plus ça change...

11:23am Fri 20 Jul 12

Plus ça change... says...

... so there must be something good here to attract new people.
... so there must be something good here to attract new people. Plus ça change...

12:42pm Fri 20 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

J B Blackett wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Since when was the Union Jack the flag of England?
So saying fly red white and blue in a poem lamenting the loss of our identity is a contradiction in terms surely?
On the contrary.
.
The raising of such a device could be interpreted is an ironic public visual display of sublimated or suppressed feelings encouraged by politicians during the period of 'The Games' to conflate imaginary nationalistic and patriotic emotions within the divers factions within a terminally fragmented , disconnected and disintegrating society.
.
A generated illusionary sense of 'togetherness' (and divisiveness as in 'us and them') - a ploy used by politicians and religious leaders to hold sway over and control the masses throughout time.
.
Folk who 'fly the Union flag' may in fact being doing it out of a sense of sheer mind-numbing ennui and a self-protective instinct brought about by over-exposure by the media to a lot of self-regarding (ie not very modest) people making money out of what is after all is just a business - not 'Sport' at all.
.
It worked for a lot of the Roman Emporers (for a while - about 400 years) but they ran out of money / taxes / victims in the end. And the poor / dispossessed / shut-out people got very bored with it all , all the different factions started to attack each other , then the Colliseum started to fall down.........
How pretentious can one get ?
[quote][p][bold]J B Blackett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Since when was the Union Jack the flag of England? So saying fly red white and blue in a poem lamenting the loss of our identity is a contradiction in terms surely?[/p][/quote]On the contrary. . The raising of such a device could be interpreted is an ironic public visual display of sublimated or suppressed feelings encouraged by politicians during the period of 'The Games' to conflate imaginary nationalistic and patriotic emotions within the divers factions within a terminally fragmented , disconnected and disintegrating society. . A generated illusionary sense of 'togetherness' (and divisiveness as in 'us and them') - a ploy used by politicians and religious leaders to hold sway over and control the masses throughout time. . Folk who 'fly the Union flag' may in fact being doing it out of a sense of sheer mind-numbing ennui and a self-protective instinct brought about by over-exposure by the media to a lot of self-regarding (ie not very modest) people making money out of what is after all is just a business - not 'Sport' at all. . It worked for a lot of the Roman Emporers (for a while - about 400 years) but they ran out of money / taxes / victims in the end. And the poor / dispossessed / shut-out people got very bored with it all , all the different factions started to attack each other , then the Colliseum started to fall down.........[/p][/quote]How pretentious can one get ? J B Blackett

12:51pm Fri 20 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Plus ça change... wrote:
... so there must be something good here to attract new people.
Not necessarily. It does not have to be good to attract people.
.
Hence people used to flock to **** , dog, bull fights , bear-baiting, gladiatorial contests and and public (free) executions.
.
In fact in some places it still goes on and it is mandatory to attend and considered a 'duty'.
.
Unless you have a note from your doctor/parent - available from him/her at the latest execution site
[quote][p][bold]Plus ça change...[/bold] wrote: ... so there must be something good here to attract new people.[/p][/quote]Not necessarily. It does not have to be good to attract people. . Hence people used to flock to **** , dog, bull fights , bear-baiting, gladiatorial contests and and public (free) executions. . In fact in some places it still goes on and it is mandatory to attend and considered a 'duty'. . Unless you have a note from your doctor/parent - available from him/her at the latest execution site J B Blackett

5:32pm Fri 20 Jul 12

sai-diva says...

Stand up for England wrote:
Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend

Your days are numbered, being brought to an end

To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine

But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such

So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch

You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane

But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo

In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too

Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told

They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw

The pupils don't learn about them anymore

How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?

When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?

Europe is miles away, over the sea

We're the English from England , let's all be proud

Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!

Let's tell our Government and Brussels too

We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue

Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack

Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!
Our England has not disappeared there are still some of us proud to be English, who celebrate St. Georges day, who are moved by the sacrifices made in wars past (but not present) who teach our children the true values of being english. The values of honesty, good manners, and not treading on the underdog in order to better ourselves, in fact supporting the underdog. These values haven't been taken away by immigration, the unemployed, or any of the 'usual suspects'. They were taken away by lying cheating politicians,who do nothing unless it lines their own pockets.It was taken away by Bankers who have cheated the country out of Billions and expected us the tax payer to bail them out when their dodgy bets went wrong, but mostly it was given away by a population who were too apethetic, too greedy or too busy watching big brother or the x factor to do anything about it until it was too late. So you crack on, mourn the loss of your England,blame every one except yourself, I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful i was born here and no where else.
[quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: Goodbye to my England , So long my old friend Your days are numbered, being brought to an end To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh that's fine But don't say you're English, that's way out of line. The French and the Germans may call themselves such So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane But don't say you're English ever again. At Broadcasting House the word is taboo In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told They must not teach children about England of old. Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw The pupils don't learn about them anymore How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ? When England lost hosts of her very brave sons. We are not Europeans, how can we be? Europe is miles away, over the sea We're the English from England , let's all be proud Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud! Let's tell our Government and Brussels too We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!![/p][/quote]Our England has not disappeared there are still some of us proud to be English, who celebrate St. Georges day, who are moved by the sacrifices made in wars past (but not present) who teach our children the true values of being english. The values of honesty, good manners, and not treading on the underdog in order to better ourselves, in fact supporting the underdog. These values haven't been taken away by immigration, the unemployed, or any of the 'usual suspects'. They were taken away by lying cheating politicians,who do nothing unless it lines their own pockets.It was taken away by Bankers who have cheated the country out of Billions and expected us the tax payer to bail them out when their dodgy bets went wrong, but mostly it was given away by a population who were too apethetic, too greedy or too busy watching big brother or the x factor to do anything about it until it was too late. So you crack on, mourn the loss of your England,blame every one except yourself, I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful i was born here and no where else. sai-diva

10:10pm Fri 20 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Sai Diva....


GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.
Sai Diva.... GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word. demoness the second

11:23pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Stand up for England says...

demoness the second wrote:
Sai Diva....


GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.
Sai Diva; I agree totally and it's exactly what we should be striving to achieve; a return to how things were. I'm playing my part, glad your playing yours. Demoness is on board. Must be others out there?
There is nothing wrong in being a patriot and your last words sum it all up perfectly and no one should be scared or intimidated to say so.
"I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful I was born here and no where else".
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Sai Diva.... GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Sai Diva; I agree totally and it's exactly what we should be striving to achieve; a return to how things were. I'm playing my part, glad your playing yours. Demoness is on board. Must be others out there? There is nothing wrong in being a patriot and your last words sum it all up perfectly and no one should be scared or intimidated to say so. "I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful I was born here and no where else". Stand up for England

8:36am Sat 21 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

Stand up for England wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Sai Diva....


GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.
Sai Diva; I agree totally and it's exactly what we should be striving to achieve; a return to how things were. I'm playing my part, glad your playing yours. Demoness is on board. Must be others out there?
There is nothing wrong in being a patriot and your last words sum it all up perfectly and no one should be scared or intimidated to say so.
"I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful I was born here and no where else".
At what point exactly do you want to return to? Some point in the 19th century when a map of the world was coloured half in pink?

The stuff you rave about in your doggerel is by and large untrue. There is no problem whatsoever with going round saying that you are English. No one will arrest you or throw you in jail for it.

For that matter, just say out loud the name of the language you are writing in. Any problems? Any thought police from the EU zapping you with tasers?

I was born in England, think of my self as English and if anyone asks me what country I live in I will answer "England" just as my mum would have answered "Scotland". But, and its quite a big 'but', I also recognise there is a bigger picture to it all and geographically England, Great Britain, the UK, is part of Europe. Our culture is european. My ethnicity is european.

England is a great place to live (thats why a lot of people want to live here) but so are a lot of other places.
[quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Sai Diva.... GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Sai Diva; I agree totally and it's exactly what we should be striving to achieve; a return to how things were. I'm playing my part, glad your playing yours. Demoness is on board. Must be others out there? There is nothing wrong in being a patriot and your last words sum it all up perfectly and no one should be scared or intimidated to say so. "I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful I was born here and no where else".[/p][/quote]At what point exactly do you want to return to? Some point in the 19th century when a map of the world was coloured half in pink? The stuff you rave about in your doggerel is by and large untrue. There is no problem whatsoever with going round saying that you are English. No one will arrest you or throw you in jail for it. For that matter, just say out loud the name of the language you are writing in. Any problems? Any thought police from the EU zapping you with tasers? I was born in England, think of my self as English and if anyone asks me what country I live in I will answer "England" just as my mum would have answered "Scotland". But, and its quite a big 'but', I also recognise there is a bigger picture to it all and geographically England, Great Britain, the UK, is part of Europe. Our culture is european. My ethnicity is european. England is a great place to live (thats why a lot of people want to live here) but so are a lot of other places. tom.marlow2

10:29am Sat 21 Jul 12

sai-diva says...

Stand up for England wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Sai Diva....


GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.
Sai Diva; I agree totally and it's exactly what we should be striving to achieve; a return to how things were. I'm playing my part, glad your playing yours. Demoness is on board. Must be others out there?
There is nothing wrong in being a patriot and your last words sum it all up perfectly and no one should be scared or intimidated to say so.
"I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful I was born here and no where else".
I think you may have misunderstood my post,I'm not striving to return to the way things were,I support no 'nationalistic' view of England,I don't recognise these perfect days of which you speak. I just think the best way to fight the people who blame all our ills on immigration,or 'dole scum' or any of the other underdogs is to come out and be proud of my place of birth, without denegrating or blaming others for the shortcomings of my nation.As i said my England is still there.My children still experience English culture because I take them and show them,rather than relying on the tv where the most common 'culture' they will experience is American.They also have the privelage of enjoying many other cultures and in doing so learn tolerance and that's my point, it was the English that happily give away their cultural inheritance and then blame others for the loss.
[quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Sai Diva.... GREAT post and I 100% agree with every word.[/p][/quote]Sai Diva; I agree totally and it's exactly what we should be striving to achieve; a return to how things were. I'm playing my part, glad your playing yours. Demoness is on board. Must be others out there? There is nothing wrong in being a patriot and your last words sum it all up perfectly and no one should be scared or intimidated to say so. "I will still celebrate England,my Lionheart, and be grateful I was born here and no where else".[/p][/quote]I think you may have misunderstood my post,I'm not striving to return to the way things were,I support no 'nationalistic' view of England,I don't recognise these perfect days of which you speak. I just think the best way to fight the people who blame all our ills on immigration,or 'dole scum' or any of the other underdogs is to come out and be proud of my place of birth, without denegrating or blaming others for the shortcomings of my nation.As i said my England is still there.My children still experience English culture because I take them and show them,rather than relying on the tv where the most common 'culture' they will experience is American.They also have the privelage of enjoying many other cultures and in doing so learn tolerance and that's my point, it was the English that happily give away their cultural inheritance and then blame others for the loss. sai-diva

11:12am Sat 21 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Sai Diva

I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says.
Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us.
England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx
Sai Diva I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says. Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us. England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx demoness the second

11:14am Sat 21 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

demoness the second wrote:
Sai Diva

I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says.
Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us.
England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx
OMG - that should read I do NOT agree with anything that SUFE posts :))))

We need an edit button!
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Sai Diva I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says. Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us. England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx[/p][/quote]OMG - that should read I do NOT agree with anything that SUFE posts :)))) We need an edit button! demoness the second

5:39pm Sat 21 Jul 12

sai-diva says...

demoness the second wrote:
Sai Diva

I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says.
Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us.
England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx
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[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Sai Diva I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says. Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us. England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx[/p][/quote]*like* sai-diva

7:48pm Sat 21 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

Where is this 'England' you all speak of ?
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Where the people are dear and gentle folk and treat each other with immeasurable respect and unbounded tolerance.
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Where good manners always hold sway and fair play garnished with honesty is written large on every citizen's boldly flying standard.
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Please can you give me some direction as how to find it ? A simple post code will do
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Regards - Yours , in anticipation, JBB.
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PS LORD Prescott says there is no such thing as 'The English'. And LORD Prescott is never wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't be a LORD would he ?

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Where is this 'England' you all speak of ? . Where the people are dear and gentle folk and treat each other with immeasurable respect and unbounded tolerance. . Where good manners always hold sway and fair play garnished with honesty is written large on every citizen's boldly flying standard. . Please can you give me some direction as how to find it ? A simple post code will do . Regards - Yours , in anticipation, JBB. . PS LORD Prescott says there is no such thing as 'The English'. And LORD Prescott is never wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't be a LORD would he ? . J B Blackett

9:50pm Sat 21 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

J B Blackett wrote:
Where is this 'England' you all speak of ?
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Where the people are dear and gentle folk and treat each other with immeasurable respect and unbounded tolerance.
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Where good manners always hold sway and fair play garnished with honesty is written large on every citizen's boldly flying standard.
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Please can you give me some direction as how to find it ? A simple post code will do
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Regards - Yours , in anticipation, JBB.
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PS LORD Prescott says there is no such thing as 'The English'. And LORD Prescott is never wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't be a LORD would he ?

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Try opening your eyes JBB

Instead of making nasty little jibes ALL the time.
Because actually in a world that is becoming increasingly negative, we do not need the "self important cynics" who talk cryptically as if they are in on some secret the rest of us do not know about.

I know plenty of people who have those qualities that you mock.
Perhaps you have the wrong friends.
[quote][p][bold]J B Blackett[/bold] wrote: Where is this 'England' you all speak of ? . Where the people are dear and gentle folk and treat each other with immeasurable respect and unbounded tolerance. . Where good manners always hold sway and fair play garnished with honesty is written large on every citizen's boldly flying standard. . Please can you give me some direction as how to find it ? A simple post code will do . Regards - Yours , in anticipation, JBB. . PS LORD Prescott says there is no such thing as 'The English'. And LORD Prescott is never wrong. Otherwise he wouldn't be a LORD would he ? .[/p][/quote]Try opening your eyes JBB Instead of making nasty little jibes ALL the time. Because actually in a world that is becoming increasingly negative, we do not need the "self important cynics" who talk cryptically as if they are in on some secret the rest of us do not know about. I know plenty of people who have those qualities that you mock. Perhaps you have the wrong friends. demoness the second

10:48pm Sat 21 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

You don't know my friends (or me) but I can assure you if they were as intolerant , nasty or foul-mouthed (even though poorly censured) as some of the the people on here they would not be my friends.

And what's with the 'nasty little jibes'?
We have not a nasty bone in our bodies. And have no secrets either.
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It's all maybe a matter of interpretation and reading too much into things on occasions.
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But I could say that some people may take offence and themselves too seriously sometimes and need to perhaps see faults they perceive in others as not necessarily a deviation from objectives / viewpoints in all arguments or debates.
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That would possibly prove to be illogical and prejudicial in most contexts - even in a court of law. Also not all people are obliged to have the same perspectives on all topics as everybody else - why should they ?
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Some people are so intolerant and take themselves so seriously as if they know the truth..
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You don't know my friends (or me) but I can assure you if they were as intolerant , nasty or foul-mouthed (even though poorly censured) as some of the the people on here they would not be my friends. And what's with the 'nasty little jibes'? We have not a nasty bone in our bodies. And have no secrets either. . It's all maybe a matter of interpretation and reading too much into things on occasions. . But I could say that some people may take offence and themselves too seriously sometimes and need to perhaps see faults they perceive in others as not necessarily a deviation from objectives / viewpoints in all arguments or debates. . That would possibly prove to be illogical and prejudicial in most contexts - even in a court of law. Also not all people are obliged to have the same perspectives on all topics as everybody else - why should they ? . . Some people are so intolerant and take themselves so seriously as if they know the truth.. . J B Blackett

11:20pm Sat 21 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

All you do is come on here and mock.
All you do is come on here and talk cryptically.
It looks condescending and patronising and I am fed up to the back teeth with it.

I actually do not take myself too seriously and I certainly do not know "the truth " - whatever that may be. Neither do you.

I thought what Sai Diva said about English folk was spot on.

But of course you know different.
But even if you didn't, what was the point of your so called "joky" post?

Sorry JBB - poke fun out of me if you will, but half the time I have absolutely no idea what the heck you are talking about anyway.
I don't think many people do.
But heigh ho - free speech and all that :)
All you do is come on here and mock. All you do is come on here and talk cryptically. It looks condescending and patronising and I am fed up to the back teeth with it. I actually do not take myself too seriously and I certainly do not know "the truth " - whatever that may be. Neither do you. I thought what Sai Diva said about English folk was spot on. But of course you know different. But even if you didn't, what was the point of your so called "joky" post? Sorry JBB - poke fun out of me if you will, but half the time I have absolutely no idea what the heck you are talking about anyway. I don't think many people do. But heigh ho - free speech and all that :) demoness the second

12:02am Sun 22 Jul 12

J B Blackett says...

I will concede the free speech point.
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People should be allowed to express themselves as they wish (within the bounds of common decency) in an open society.
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However you see what happens on this site - abuse is generated whenever somebody 'takes offence' or decides to use profanity or offensive terms to 'make their point'. Sometimes it may be better if those situations were defused in some way.
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Not realising that by using such language it is a sign that they cannot argue on facts or truly held opinions so resort to pointlessly abusing the opposition with choice words and the usual cliches. Possibly out of frustration - for whatever reason.
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As for me being cryptic - that's my little secret.
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As usual - no offence intended
I will concede the free speech point. . People should be allowed to express themselves as they wish (within the bounds of common decency) in an open society. . However you see what happens on this site - abuse is generated whenever somebody 'takes offence' or decides to use profanity or offensive terms to 'make their point'. Sometimes it may be better if those situations were defused in some way. . Not realising that by using such language it is a sign that they cannot argue on facts or truly held opinions so resort to pointlessly abusing the opposition with choice words and the usual cliches. Possibly out of frustration - for whatever reason. . As for me being cryptic - that's my little secret. . As usual - no offence intended J B Blackett

1:14am Sun 22 Jul 12

Stand up for England says...

demoness the second wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Sai Diva

I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says.
Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us.
England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx
OMG - that should read I do NOT agree with anything that SUFE posts :))))

We need an edit button!
you never agree with anything I post; on this subject or anything else? bet you do :-) ... and if you don't, that's fine with me also. You have your view, I have mine.... and let's leave it at that.
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Sai Diva I hope you realise that I did not misunderstand your post - and for the record I do agree with anything that Stand Up For England says. Your remarks about good manners and honesty and supporting the underdog are what I feel is unique about the English. We also are very tolerant as a nation - perhaps that is why greedy politicians stamp all over us. England is still very much alive - you will always find it if you look xx[/p][/quote]OMG - that should read I do NOT agree with anything that SUFE posts :)))) We need an edit button![/p][/quote]you never agree with anything I post; on this subject or anything else? bet you do :-) ... and if you don't, that's fine with me also. You have your view, I have mine.... and let's leave it at that. Stand up for England

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