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I want the streets to be ours again

5:29pm Friday 25th January 2008

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By Colin Baker »

WHENEVER I write in this column about the current levels of antisocial behaviour in our streets and the violence that seems to be the inevitable result of law abiding citizens' attempts to protect their families and properties from marauding youngsters, I am thanked by scores of strangers in the street, as well as my friends and acquaintances.

It seems everyone is of a like mind. It cannot go on. People of my generation share a memory of parents who were universally mortified if their children behaved badly in any way, however minor by modern standards.

Not just middle class parents either. The working class and even those who would fit into a group that we would today categorise as "poor" shared similar values. Decency and honesty were not just ingrained but a matter of pride for the vast majority of the population.

We can discuss forever how the slide into near anarchy has happened, but one central theme that keeps recurring is discipline. Early discipline in the home, in the schools and in the streets.

The fact that many people have become terminally outraged by the current level of antisocial behaviour is evidenced by the increasing number of otherwise civilised people who are calling, quite seriously, for the re-introduction of the stocks as a means of deterring crime and shaming perpetrators. Stocks were not needed or even mentioned when I was a young man.

Last week three youths were convicted of kicking and beating a man to death outside his own home after a seven-hour drinking binge. Garry Newlove had challenged them while they were vandalising vehicles outside his house in Cheshire.

The assault was witnessed by his family. His widow delivered a very moving tribute to her husband and a plea that should resonate across the land. Somewhere between the justice of Iran, where two rapists were recently given a hundred lashes and then thrown off a cliff, and the UK's current culture of "You can't touch me, I'm under age (or deprived) and can do what I like" there must lie a happy medium.

Garry Newlove could have been you or I. I don't think I could stand by and do nothing while youths came onto my property or threatened my family.

We must refuse to vote in, locally or nationally, politicians who continue to equivocate on this subject and do nothing. I want the streets to be ours again.


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Pete, Perth, Australia says...
8:48pm Fri 25 Jan 08

Hi Colin. Maybe you should get a slot on talkback radio.

Complaints that young people are hooligans aren't new. Elders in the 1950s complained about the "rock and roll" music craze (originally named for a euphemism for sex). In the 1960s, it was those dirty hippies. In the 1970s, it was the smelly violent punks. In the 1980s, those darned New Romantics and Goths wearing makeup and the boys looking like girls. In the 1990s, Ravers and their E tabs.

The genetics and hormones that make up young people don't change much. If society's really become more violent and nasty, look elsewhere for the cause.

Could it be that now that Thatcher's "there is no society" is an entrenched policy under Labor and Conservative governments alike, that young people have taken heed?

chris toff, South Bucks says...
11:59pm Sun 27 Jan 08

Maybe you should jump in the Tardis and go back 50yrs or so ?????

Joe Reboy, Tonawanda, NY USA says...
1:15am Mon 28 Jan 08

Taking responsibility for one's self and community may seem like old-fashioned values but it is those same values that keep civilization together. Mr. Baker is to be commended for speaking plainly and without wry asides about this situation.

He was quite clear in pointing out that his issue was with those youths committing crimes, not with dress mode or any other surface aspect. Throwing the word "Tardis" in his face because you somehow feel slighted at the suggestion that "society is not to blame" is unbecoming. Mr. Baker is far more than a two year job for the BBC, and he happens to be correct here.

I can not fathom the mind that would sum up murder as being a youthful scamp-issue. Were Mr. Baker to write about cow-tipping or graffiti he might think closer to those terms, but the subject is committing what we in the US of A call a capital offense.

The reason why bad behavior is increasing in society is because we tolerate it. The more we give license to misbehave the greater the scale of the offense becomes.

rods254, London says...
1:18am Fri 1 Feb 08

I'm with Colin. I'm 20 and could be considered a youth (only just!) but I too am stunned and appalled by the way young people act. I don't claim to have any solutions to the problems, but something needs to be done, and a middle ground as Colin proposes surely can't be a bad step?

jpeterson, Speen says...
12:35pm Fri 1 Feb 08

Did you see the photos of those three chavs that killed Gary Newlove? They looked so backward and inbred. Your reference to class is spot on. I consider there to be three basic classes: under class, upper class and quality class. The under class is the dirty, shameful scum element that we see all too often. Broken into and burnt out cars, vandalism, assault, animal cruelty, child abuse etc. are all tell tales signs of this inferior group of people. The upper class has it's own problems, but it's the quality class that drives Britain and it's economy. Class is no longer determined by money, postcode, size of house/car etc. It's determined by decency, care and respect for this fragile environment that we live in.

MrWhipple, USA says...
12:20am Sat 2 Feb 08

I'm sorry jpeterson, but there are good and bad elements in all classes. The problem is that the bad elements in the lower classes display their evil in obvious and usually very violent manners. The upper classes and as you called them the priviledges classes display their evil more often in economic ways. While some of the evil displayed by the lower classes are directly associated with economic gain, much of their evil can also be associated with a desire to gain simple pleasure. While much of the upper/priviledge classes evil appears simply as attempts in increase wealth, I think as people become better educated move up in class, enjoyment is often simply equated with gathering more wealth.

Eirwyn, North Carolina says...
11:10pm Sat 2 Feb 08

Crime, including violent crime, is on the rise around here, too. Is it a coincidence that all our factories and textile mills are closing or moving to facilities in China and there are few prospects for the future in this county? I think not. Is this the situation in the UK as well?

cristof, U.S. / Germany says...
2:37pm Wed 5 Mar 08

Yes, even though I knew many people thought it would be "wrong" I gave some kids a pretty bad facewash (rubbing snow in their face) after I saw them swearing and throwing snow/ice at an old man across the street. Its messed up that by defending a senior against kids I could have gotten in trouble. I thought the face-wash was something the would understand better though. One threatened to get his brother, some kind of black-gangster-type allegedly. I laughed and continued my journey home. (no one shot me)

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