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Eden - the letters of complaint pour in

5:34pm Friday 28th March 2008

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WE WENT down to see the new Eden centre on March 14, and really cannot see what all the fuss was about. Months of chaos on the roads, upheaval for everyone and for what? Lots of shops with posh names.

The only decent shop I could afford to go in was Superdrug and their prices have all gone up. I bought a 99p comb and walked out in disgust.

Their shops are for the "well to do people who were born with silver spoons in their mouths" and talk posh. I shall be going to my usual charity shops in Frogmoor and surrounding areas.

The only decent thing about Eden is the pathway from the bus station to Tesco's.

Our verdict: we shall give the new town a miss and shop in the old town.

Mr and Mrs Revel, Bourne End

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LIKE last week's correspondent I too went to Eden using the Eden car park for the first time since all the works.

I too was horrified, but for other reasons.

I understand that both management and WDC are hoping to attract many out-of-town shoppers.

If so, the car park needs to (literally) clean up its act, the entrance ramp is dingy and littered with vans, lorries, waste skips, machinery and other items which clearly have no proper home.

When you emerge into the light the signage is rubbish - not nearly enough arrows to tell you the preferred direction, and very little signage to help you exit.

Come on Multiplex - the profits at the Eden centre look to be secure already - get the car park clean and clear.

Kate Phillips, Pinewood Rd, Sands

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I WENT to Eden on Saturday evening with my family for my grand-daughter's birthday.

As there were nine of us, we had to take two cars. We spent a very pleasant evening there bowling with a meal afterwards.

Everyone had a really pleasant time until we retrieved our cars from the car park and were confronted with a bill for £16 which spoilt the experience completely - so much so that I don't think I will visit again.

Michael Farmer, Stock Field Close, Hazlemere

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NEVER have I been so disappointed as I am with our new shopping paradise' Eden and never has anything been so inappropriately named!

After all the years of waiting, all the expense and all the hype, I cannot believe what we have been given.

The Octagon has been upgraded very nicely and then we go out into the draughty, unwelcoming Eden. Why on earth couldn't it have been enclosed? The flagstones are cold-looking and who on earth would wish to sit on those seats?

The House of Fraser, our so-called, much-awaited store' is just a load of franchises for expensive designer labels.

Marks and Spencers is good but why on earth has it been stuck out at the end, open to the elements?

Then there is the car park, VERY expensive and no concessions for the disabled.

I think visitors will come once out of curiosity and never return, there is nothing to come back for!

This is not what Wycombe needed, the planners have got it very wrong.

Patricia Dunn, New Road, Stokenchurch

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MY DISABLED son and my mother-in-law along with my wife visited the Eden project for the first time on Tuesday March 18 and parked in the Eden car park. On going in to the car park there where no signs up to say that disabled badge holders would have to pay the full parking charges.

It is not until you go to leave the car park that you learn that you have to pay which absolutely enraged us. To pay £2.50 to look around with a disabled step-son and a wheelchair bound mother-in-law.

Any able-body person could have looked round in half the time. How can they justify charging disabled people? That is why there is a blue badge scheme.

Why do they have disabled parking spaces in their car park when anybody can park in it and pay the same charge?

Us as a family will not be going into the project again. They have alienated all the disabled people in Buckinghamshire.

Colin Robert Warren, Wheelers Park, High Wycombe

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HAVING visited today for the first time, I certainly am in no rush to return, what has all the hype been for? We have built nothing more than a cold and windy glass concrete shopping area.

You can't even call it a centre. I expected Eden to be enclosed like Watford and Uxbridge. Thankfully I had walked so had sufficient clothing on.

Had I been driving to Wycombe I would have left my coat in the car presuming it would be warm in the shopping centre and shops.

Wycombe council would have been better to have given us all free bus passes to Watford or Uxbridge so as we can shop and relax in a shopping zone that befits its status!

Sorry Wycombe... you've got it wrong yet again!

Lorraine Akerman, Manor Gardens, High Wycombe

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READING the letters printed in last week's BFP, it is difficult to understand why anybody would wish to come and shop in High Wycombe. Virtually every letter was of a negative and critical nature, with particular reference to the Eden Centre.

People I have spoken to over the years have considered shopping in Wycombe to be "the pits" and judging by the tone of letters last week not much has changed since the Eden Centre opened.

One writer was absolutely correct, when stating that many shops in the centre had simply moved there from their old Wycombe location, which will no doubt have the effect of killing off the old shopping area.

Even before the Eden Centre what an awful name was built Wycombe was not an easy town centre to access, with its few major routes and the council's apparent love affair with traffic lights, which do little to keep traffic moving in an already congested space.

One cannot see the opening of this monolith making matters any easier.

J Everson, Rays Lane, Penn

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I WAS interested to read the comments regarding the Eden Centre on March 21. I am a wheelchair user and paid my first (and maybe last) visit to the Centre last Thursday. My first stop was the House of Fraser.

WHY in a new build do they not have automatic doors? Then on to M&S the lift was out of use, although I was offered the use of the goods lift, which I declined.

The centre is only partially covered, WHY? Exiting from the badly signed car park was not easy even with a medium sized car, there will be many bumpers scraped as you negotiate your way out round the ridiculously narrow circular exit slopes. I will be back to Milton Keynes for my shopping trips in future where everyone is catered for. It is fully covered, easy parking and no shop doors to negotiate. The Eden Centre could have learnt a lot from there!

Mrs Ann Speechley, Aston Park, Aston Rowant

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CONGRATULATIONS are due to all involved in the completion of the Eden project.

It has been a long wait and a new Sainsbury's will provide a stunning backdrop.

The only damp squib at the moment is the Tesco building, looking somewhat out-dated and forlorn. Unlike Gerrards Cross and Bourne End, where there have been vociferous opposition to new Tesco stores, Wycombe has needed one, and still does. What a missed opportunity!

Andrew Ross, Harlow Road, High Wycombe


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Pierre, HW says...
8:15pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Let's get one thing clear. The council and Eden don't want disabled people coming to their shopping centre. They are targeting the As and Bs shoppers - those with lots of spending money. Those who can afford to pay £70 for a T Shirt in HoF, or £110 for a Hugo Boss T Shirt. Generally speaking disabled people just do not have that kind of spending power, so they are not being encouraged to shop at Eden.

I do think that disabled people should be offered free parking as generally speaking they cannot hold down a full time job or even a part time job (in the worst cases) so they don't have much spare money to pay for parking and it takes them longer to get around that the abled bodied shoppers. So charging them the same as abled body shoppers is really a kind of discrimination against disabled people.

Town Cryer, Wycombe says...
10:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08

whats needed in eden is affordable shops like
Savers
Aldi
Netto
Poundstretchers


andi-shirley, High Wycombe says...
6:16pm Sat 29 Mar 08

I visited Eden for the first time last weekend. I wanted to buy some new curtains from M&S. I asked an assistant where I could find them only to be told that although Eden M&S was one of the largest in the country I still neede to visit a larger store for furnishings. All that money and still not the shops that the town people need! I stayed for an hour before I got bored. The octagon looks lovely though and warmer.

Martin, Stokenchurch says...
7:38pm Sat 29 Mar 08

It could only happen in Wycombe!!!

I see that Bucks residents have the best quality and longest expectation of life in the UK (Sunday Express 30.3.08). It must be all the moaning they do in the Bucks Free Press, and the fact that they have never experienced life elsewhere. We only came to Wycombe 20 years ago, but congratulations to Wycombe District Council and the Eden Project. Look around you fellow Wycombe people; For a small provincial town near to the capital city we have a first class shopping centre, theatre, first class rail and road services, beautiful coutryside and first class football and rugby teams. Wake up and smell the coffee, stop moaning and enjoy your long life in a much improved environment.

LSB, High Wycombe says...
10:43pm Sat 29 Mar 08

Martin wrote:
It could only happen in Wycombe!!!

I see that Bucks residents have the best quality and longest expectation of life in the UK (Sunday Express 30.3.08). It must be all the moaning they do in the Bucks Free Press, and the fact that they have never experienced life elsewhere. We only came to Wycombe 20 years ago, but congratulations to Wycombe District Council and the Eden Project. Look around you fellow Wycombe people; For a small provincial town near to the capital city we have a first class shopping centre, theatre, first class rail and road services, beautiful coutryside and first class football and rugby teams. Wake up and smell the coffee, stop moaning and enjoy your long life in a much improved environment.
'Long Life' - that's if you haven't died from exposure after shopping in the Arctic Eden!

LSB, High Wycombe says...
10:43pm Sat 29 Mar 08

Martin wrote:
It could only happen in Wycombe!!!

I see that Bucks residents have the best quality and longest expectation of life in the UK (Sunday Express 30.3.08). It must be all the moaning they do in the Bucks Free Press, and the fact that they have never experienced life elsewhere. We only came to Wycombe 20 years ago, but congratulations to Wycombe District Council and the Eden Project. Look around you fellow Wycombe people; For a small provincial town near to the capital city we have a first class shopping centre, theatre, first class rail and road services, beautiful coutryside and first class football and rugby teams. Wake up and smell the coffee, stop moaning and enjoy your long life in a much improved environment.
'Long Life' - that's if you haven't died from exposure after shopping in the Arctic Eden!

flabber, High Wycombe says...
2:00am Sun 30 Mar 08

Martin wrote:
It could only happen in Wycombe!!! I see that Bucks residents have the best quality and longest expectation of life in the UK (Sunday Express 30.3.08). It must be all the moaning they do in the Bucks Free Press, and the fact that they have never experienced life elsewhere. We only came to Wycombe 20 years ago, but congratulations to Wycombe District Council and the Eden Project. Look around you fellow Wycombe people; For a small provincial town near to the capital city we have a first class shopping centre, theatre, first class rail and road services, beautiful coutryside and first class football and rugby teams. Wake up and smell the coffee, stop moaning and enjoy your long life in a much improved environment.
Well said!

smokey, high wycombe says...
2:48pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Town Cryer wrote:
whats needed in eden is affordable shops like Savers Aldi Netto Poundstretchers
yuk yuk and thrice yuk

move to Slough love

kjs, High Wycombe says...
6:23pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Good to see the new shopping centre almost finished. And yes I agree what about shops like Lidl and Aldi. But also my teenage boys told me that there is absolutely nothing for them in the new centre. Parking, well I can walk to the centre so the charges do not bother me. I feel sorry for all the Tesco customers who do not get a refund now on their parking charges. But hey hopefully they will get it right for the next development.

woooooopy, wycombe says...
9:46pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Town Cryer wrote:
whats needed in eden is affordable shops like Savers Aldi Netto Poundstretchers
Aldi and Lidl should be built on the outskirts such as Cressex, but the High Street and empty shops in Octogan could have shops like Peacocks, MK One, Tchibo. Most people are not interested in purchasing £350 jeans from House of Fraser.

Ron Schreck, says...
5:34pm Mon 31 Mar 08

"The only decent shop I could afford to go in was Superdrug and their prices have all gone up. I bought a 99p comb and walked out in disgust."

"One writer was absolutely correct, when stating that many shops in the centre had simply moved there from their old Wycombe location, which will no doubt have the effect of killing off the old shopping area."

MY COMMENT: as I had stated in an earlier posting, because all of the shops in Eden have to pay a premium price for store space, they all have to increase their prices in order to pay the bills. I forsee one shop after another closing down in Eden and moving back out to the streets, where the rent space will be considerable cheaper. so you really dont need to fear that Eden will result in the closure of the shops in the town. they will be back and prices will go back to normal. Eden will become a ghost Mall. Like many Malls in the U.S., competition and the high prices the shops pay for rent, is the death of the Mall. Oddly though, they eventually turn them into Outlet and cheap stores (99P) just to try and survive. Those that can't make it, get torn down.


jamie, wycombe says...
11:03am Tue 1 Apr 08

i moved to wycombe about a year ago, and if eden had not of opened i probably would of moved out.
Wycombe was a town centre with no entertainment facilities and hardly any shops that i would shop in (those shops i do shop in had small branches, which thankfully are not bigger with a larger range of items).
everytime i have been to eden it has also been busy too

Matsapatsa, High Wycombe says...
11:17am Tue 1 Apr 08

For God sake everyone, Eden isn't even fully open yet!

There are still other retailers to come.

There is a skate park being built for the youngsters. A lovely cafe/patisserie and i'm sure once all the construction work is finished, the ramp areas around the car parks and the rest of the site will be cleared up too.

Do you see Aldi and Lidl at The Harlequin in Watford, or Brent Cross, or The Oracle in Reading. NO!

You don't put cheap as chips shops that sell general tat and low grade food in a development like Eden. It's supposed to raise the profile of the town, not turn it into Slough!

Think yourself lucky High Wycombe, your house prices have been protected and in some cases even enhanced by this development!

Why not embrace change and enjoy.

john, marlow says...
10:27am Wed 2 Apr 08

The midweek edition of the Free Press reports Cllr Lesley Clarke leader of Wycombe Council saying “ 99% of residents like the centre”

The only explanation for that is that the paper is dated 1st april ( nice try you didn’t fool me) or that Cllr Lesley Clarke needs an urgent visit to Specsavers or she should enrol on a course of aesthetic appreciation.she could also speak to my friend Shirley an elderly wycomber but the councillor would need ear plugs.

Comment by John’s wife.

Terri, Holmer Green says...
1:39pm Wed 2 Apr 08

The only decent shop I could afford to go in was Superdrug and their prices have all gone up. I bought a 99p comb and walked out in disgust."


and.....

whats needed in eden is affordable shops like
Savers
Aldi
Netto
Poundstretchers


LOL !!!

If Eden helps drive the peasants out of Wycombe town centre, it'll be a great job well done!

smokey, high wycombe says...
4:44pm Wed 2 Apr 08

Terri wrote:
The only decent shop I could afford to go in was Superdrug and their prices have all gone up. I bought a 99p comb and walked out in disgust."
and.....
whats needed in eden is affordable shops like Savers Aldi Netto Poundstretchers
LOL !!! If Eden helps drive the peasants out of Wycombe town centre, it'll be a great job well done!
well said that person

*applauds*

we should send them to marlow
LOL

jamie, wycombe says...
4:48pm Wed 2 Apr 08

whats needed in eden is affordable shops like Savers Aldi Netto Poundstretchers


lol
wycombe already has a 99p shop
aldi ? wycombe town centre has 3 supermarkets - more than any other town centre i have been to in the country

a1ekiss, High Wycombe says...
4:44pm Thu 3 Apr 08

In regards to colin Warrens letter.

he doesnt say how disabled his son is, he would also get DLA and Mobility if he was that severely disabled as would his mother in law, so surely that can cover a cost of £2.50. a reduce price would be fair enough.

as far as the blue badge scheme and the disabled parking bays; they are in place to make it easier to get in and out of the car park, so the disabled and the carer dont have to travel across a car park where there may be risks and dangers.

as it happens not everyone likes to shop at the 99p store and would prefer a little quality and as someone said previously i think we have enough food shops to skip an aldi or lidel.

one of the main reasons i like high wycombe is because it is not like reading or slough but if you dont like it you know where the nearest estate agents are.

a1ekiss, High Wycombe says...
4:50pm Thu 3 Apr 08

BEfore people start complaining bout being discrinatory against the disabled. i am registed disabled aswell

G.W.Thorne, Coleshill says...
5:56pm Thu 3 Apr 08

My parents grew up in High Wycombe and I have lived around here for 58 years so I have observed the changes in the town. In Richard Fortey’s recent book The Hidden Landscape he describes High Wycombe thus; “High Wycombe might serve as one example of a town growing beyond its natural sympathy with the geology”.
My observation has always been that High Wycombe is in a as lovely a natural setting for a town as could be hoped for but these advantages have been squandered over recent generations and I had hoped new developments would prepare the way for a more attractive natural townscape.
So, I wonder if architects and town planners are taught to take advantage of natural local landscape features when designing new developments? If so, such teachings seem to become forgotten when they meet High Wycombe District Council.
I appreciate comments that our town needs good shops and it looks like the Eden Centre will provide these lucrative attractions. Sadly it seems that when we are hopefully on the threshold of times when the quality of the urban environment may become appreciated WDC have thought, in what seems an unsubtle knee-jerk way that they can only make one of two choices; either iconic shops in imposing shopping centres or attractive townscapes.
Of course the economic draw of the shopping will always take precedent but I have never seen why High Wycombe could not find the will to take advantage of it’s fine natural features and have both, or at least begin to restore a natural setting in which these shops can be enjoyed, not all shut up in clumsy edifices that do not complement the valley. The Eden Centre inhibits this as it covers and overshadows a significant stretch of the River Wye and therefore questions WDC’s intention to restore it and use it as a central attractive feature of the town.
Of course all this seems too late. I feel a bit sad and wonder if WDC has remained behind the times as we hope they may develop in which towns and nature can be united to create attractive, healthy townscapes which invite people to visit as well as shop or will they just drive in, shop and drive back out? Will people in the future think of visiting the town for its own sake? Surely this would make it stand out in modern times and as I say it has that potential. This development does not look likely to be attractive in that way.
Will High Wycombe remain behind the times and continue to waste opportunities to set a good example and make a fine name for itself?
Shops, shops, all is shopping - or is it?

amanda, high wycombe says...
12:05pm Sun 6 Apr 08

Having read all of the comments above i have to point out a few flaws in your arguments as well as agreeing with a few points.
firstly, the reason that is it not fully covered is to be eco friendly i.e no need to heat in the winter and no need to cool in the summer. i dont see why shopping centers need to be heated to the desired temperature of all its users, your all going into a warm shop when you get in there so whats the point. Do you all moan when shopping in the high street when it gets a tad chilly?
Secondly, i do agree that some of the shops are unnecessary. for example house of fraiser. it would have been much more beneficial to have a debenhams there instead and is what many people expected that there was going to be. As for moaning bout having stores like 'pound strechers' i think that is frankly going a tad over the top. I am a student myself and cant afford a great deal but F.Y.I buckinghamshire is a posh county, and along with Oxfordshire and Bedfordshire, we are the seventh richest subregion in the EU. As a result you cant go putting the cheapest stores you can find there, the county is trying to keep our high class status and im glad in a way that it is not being brought down to a lower level.
Thirdy, I indeed agree that it is terrible that the shopping center does not accomodate for disabled individuals. this should not be something that should even have been thought about, it should be naturally implemented.
Fourthy, my mum went to the shopping center on it opening day, but did not park there due to thinking it may be busy and was glad she didnt in the end when she went to have a look at the prices and saw how high they were. I doubt she or i will ever park in there when there are cheaper, if not free parking elsewhere. it is a joke that the council think they can charge so much for parking and i cant believe that one of the comments stated that they had to pay £16! thats an absolute joke.
At the end of the day, I have lived in wycombe my whole life and nearly all the people i know moaned that wycombe didnt have enough shops, a close cinema, bowling etc. and now you have it most of you seem to just want to moan. and about things you havent even looked into. e.g. why is it not fully covered. I personaly think most moaning about such things are just overdoing it as they need to ajust to the change. you moan if there isnt a good shopping center, you moan when there is one? do you ever think you will be satisfied with it? Well i doubt that. I do think that the town is more empty, but have you see watford outside of there shopping center recently, its the same, except there is a street of bars and clubs, and if wyocmbe were to follow in there footsteps and do the same i bet there would be even more outcry. the shops which have moved will be replaced by different shops, so of which will probably be cheaper. Its not like the rest of the Octogan will just be boarded up will it. but these things take time.
Dont get me wrong i do think they could have handelled the shopping center better in terms of parking and replacing house of fraiser and all of the above but the people moaning about wanting the cheapest shops and a overly warm, reused air shopping center need to see the long term benefits.

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