Wasps move would be 'disastrous' claims councillor (From Bucks Free Press)

Lets be honest - it wouldnt be "disasterous" for the area. Wycome existed long before the wasps came to town and will exist long after they go - if they choose to. Im sure we already had a rugby club in Wycombe and I cant remember them generating such interest?

quite, my son has never had any contact with Wasps at any of his schools however Wycombe Wanderers have had a lot of contact with him. Lets get rid of Wasps and just see how we can cope

'WASPS moving away from Adams Park would be “disastrous” for the whole county, a senior local politician believes.

Bucks County Cllr Paul Rogerson said having the former European Cup-winning rugby club in the county has benefitted schools and the wider community.'
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I wish Wasps and its supporters the best of luck but let's be honest we COULD do without them.
'“As rugby players they are very good role models. You get benefits from having a prestigious rugby club in the area and one would hope that wouldn’t be lost.'
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‘You get benefits’ - why do sports enthusiasts feel they are 'entitled' because their enjoyable interest is in some intangible way beneficial to them AND everyone else? Rugby players are NOT role models.

So what should we do, Cllr Rogerson?
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He might as well have written that the economy is in a mess.
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He says "The decision’s been made. They had to balance the benefits against the loss of the AONB and it was outweighed." How's that for stating the bloomin' obvious!
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So, apart from getting a bit of publicity to try show his constituents that he is doing something, what is the purpose of this piece?
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The only logical reason for making statements like this is a precursor to supporting Hayes in any appeal he may launch against the decision.

Another misleading Headline from BFP.
Cllr Paul Rogerson when he was a District Councillor opposed the use of Green Belt for the development of the "Community Stadium". His reference to "Disastrous" if Wasps left the area relates to his current Health role on the County. Since the decision of WDC to say NO, the Bucks free Press has come off the fence and is squeezing every comment made on the Wasps/WSDL issue to keep it alive.
The issue of whether Wasps stay in Wycombe will be a commercial decision made by Steve Hayes. If the County council feel that Health issues could be improved by giving Rugby coaching to our outlying areas they should invest in the local Rugby teams, Aylesbury and High Wycombe, rather than London Wasps.
Can we please have some realistic reporting from BFP rather than emotive headlines backing a lost cause.

susie1000 wrote:
Another misleading Headline from BFP.
Cllr Paul Rogerson when he was a District Councillor opposed the use of Green Belt for the development of the "Community Stadium". His reference to "Disastrous" if Wasps left the area relates to his current Health role on the County. Since the decision of WDC to say NO, the Bucks free Press has come off the fence and is squeezing every comment made on the Wasps/WSDL issue to keep it alive.
The issue of whether Wasps stay in Wycombe will be a commercial decision made by Steve Hayes. If the County council feel that Health issues could be improved by giving Rugby coaching to our outlying areas they should invest in the local Rugby teams, Aylesbury and High Wycombe, rather than London Wasps.
Can we please have some realistic reporting from BFP rather than emotive headlines backing a lost cause.

Errr, Marlow has a rugby team.

geoffW wrote:
So what should we do, Cllr Rogerson?
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He might as well have written that the economy is in a mess.
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He says "The decision’s been made. They had to balance the benefits against the loss of the AONB and it was outweighed." How's that for stating the bloomin' obvious!
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So, apart from getting a bit of publicity to try show his constituents that he is doing something, what is the purpose of this piece?
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The only logical reason for making statements like this is a precursor to supporting Hayes in any appeal he may launch against the decision.

Hear! Hear! Geoff.

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I suppose I am helping to keep the dead controversy alive but why won’t the BFP let this story die? Alan Felberg in his article said ‘But looking around the BFP office now, I can see six out-and-out football fans.’ I phoned Feldberg in his office two days ago and he told me there were 'one and a half' sports reporters and 'between five and six' reporters. So at least a quarter of the reporters are sports reporters and if all the ‘six out-and-out football fans‘ were reporters then all the reporting staff, male and female, are ‘out-and-out fans’ – why do sports supporters feel we should share their enthusiasms and why do they need to identify themselves in terms of their sporting allegiances? Colin Baker wrote a predictably stupid piece last week repeating all the dismissed arguments in favour of the stadium and proudly told us he had a WWFC season ticket. Are we supposed to look around like school swats in the playground and enviously think ‘hey – I wish I was in their SPORTY gang!’?
I took part in the demonstration against the stadium on the Saturday before the plans were rejected and I counted the crowd at various times as it was gathering and I would estimate there were slightly more than 500 people there. How often do you get crowds that can fill the Town Hall forecourt and Frogmoor and take five or ten minutes to go through the underpass by Abbey Way? Not for football or rugby matches but then if the BFP newsroom and editorship is filled with ‘out and out fans’ what does that matter?

Oh dear, dear, dear, here we go again....
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"WASPS moving away from Adams Park would be “disastrous” for the whole county"....So, suddenly Adams Park is seem as critical to retaining London Wasps? Just as well that WDC didn't pay for a new stadium after all as that would have caused London Wasps to move away from Adams Park. Logically, according to Cllr Robinson that would have been disastrous!.
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Oh, hang on, did he mean that London Wasps moving away from High Wycombe would be disastrous for the County? So, would moving to another stadium within the County be equally disastrous? Isn't Milton Keynes in Bucks. So, playing devil's advocate, if London Wasps moved to Milton Keynes would that still be disastrous for the County?
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Now, let's look at the London Wasps community programmes (many of which aren't funded by London Wasps Rguby Club but by a seperate entity - London Wasps Community Foundation - which is funded through charitable donations and grants, and not by the rugby club, although I'm sure the professional players help out). The work done covers, according to the WDC Socio-Economic analysis undertaken by Savills on behalf of WDC, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Berkshire. On that basis, if London Wasps relocated to, say Oxfordshire's Kassam stadium or Berkshire's Majeski stadium, then there's no reason whatsoever why their community work should suddenly cease in Buckinghamshire is there?
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London Wasps' community programme has, according to their own statements, covered areas outside of the local counties too - spreading across the South-East of England I believe. So, again, the location of where they play has no bearing on what community work is undertaken. So, if the club relocated to somewhere else in the South-East, why should this affect what they're doing in this part of the South-East?
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To suggest that if London Wasps were to move elsewhere that this would cause them to scrap any local community efforts strikes be as borderline maliciious.
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Oh, and a quick reminder to the BFP reporter....WDC Cabinet did not throw out plans for a Community Sports Village. It stopped a project that would have cost the Council £41 Million for a rugby & football stadium. A "possible" later phase, which comprised badminton courts and a few other limited facilities, was described as a "sports village". This "possibility" did not form a core part of the proposal that WDC considered and rejected.

"Cabinet spokesman for health Cllr Rogerson"

Well if you are the spokesman for health, then you obviously don't know what you are talking about, you don't seem to be improving or doing much for local health, so if i were you i would desperately try and stick to your day job if possible.

H. Wycombe, and Bucks did perfectly well before Wasps came along, i don't think Hayes or Wasps are the be all and end all in this county, do you???

If Wasps do decide to go, it just proves what sort of person Hayes is, it will show he is not, and was not interested in the welfare of the local community.

"Disastrous"??
Really?
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Did this bloke not study the English Language at school?
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No news.
No story.
Again.
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But "sport" hits the front page...again
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yawn

Fed up with people putting their pre-prepared 'War & Peace' length diatribes on these posts. I'm a LOCAL Wasps supporter (shoot me now - it seems to be the cardinal sin around here) & I like having them around. Wasps leaving the area would be bad from a local commercial perspective - irrespective of what the sport is etc. End of.

Marlow_AP wrote:
Fed up with people putting their pre-prepared 'War & Peace' length diatribes on these posts. I'm a LOCAL Wasps supporter (shoot me now - it seems to be the cardinal sin around here) & I like having them around. Wasps leaving the area would be bad from a local commercial perspective - irrespective of what the sport is etc. End of.

I'm still waiting for the facts that back this insinuation that WASPs leaving the area wouls be "bad from a local commercial perspective".
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Please explain how?

Trip wrote:

susie1000 wrote:
Another misleading Headline from BFP.
Cllr Paul Rogerson when he was a District Councillor opposed the use of Green Belt for the development of the "Community Stadium". His reference to "Disastrous" if Wasps left the area relates to his current Health role on the County. Since the decision of WDC to say NO, the Bucks free Press has come off the fence and is squeezing every comment made on the Wasps/WSDL issue to keep it alive.
The issue of whether Wasps stay in Wycombe will be a commercial decision made by Steve Hayes. If the County council feel that Health issues could be improved by giving Rugby coaching to our outlying areas they should invest in the local Rugby teams, Aylesbury and High Wycombe, rather than London Wasps.
Can we please have some realistic reporting from BFP rather than emotive headlines backing a lost cause.

Errr, Marlow has a rugby team.

Sorry Trip, But Marlow is a long from Lacey Green I thought Aylesbury would be nearer.

I think Trip is (not unreasonably) pointing out that Marlow was omitted although, for a lot of people, it is a local team worthy of acknowledgement.

ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:
I think Trip is (not unreasonably) pointing out that Marlow was omitted although, for a lot of people, it is a local team worthy of acknowledgement.

England used to train there in a amateur days don't you know ;)

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Emotive stuff.
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Not content with Editor's Chair in The Star telling us that "it is IMPERATIVE for this area that London Wasps stay in Wycombe" we have another economics expert informing us that we will all die from ill health if London Wasps go elsewhere. Troll.
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Just how did we survive before they squatted at Adams Park?

I don't know what all the fuss is about, Wasps wont be going anywhere for a while. It was never about Adams Park being unsuitable - it was about property development, so perhaps his plan 'B' was to stay where he is.

i wish steve hayes would go like he said he would if he never got what he wanted,please go now and take the wasps with you!!!!

@Marlow_AP - "Fed up with people putting their pre-prepared 'War & Peace' length diatribes on these posts."
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So, your challenge is, using as few words as possible, give evidence to support your statement "Wasps leaving the area would be bad from a local commercial perspective".
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I'm not shooting you down. I'd just like to understand your perspective.

Im a teenage london wasps supporter and wasps being in wycombe is something really great for me. I love the rugby atmosphere and it actually helps me take my mind of things especially coursework and the pressure at school. My school is pretty good with handing out stuff from Wasps and we get more stuff from them than WWFC. Also its something i get to do with my grandad because he is the only one in my family who will really see them with me :) If Wasps did move i think we would see a change in quite a few teenagers and all supporters of Wasps . They really did change my thoughts on sport and i resepect it more now . I respect London wasps and i hope they dont leave for a very long time but if they do i will support them where ever they go .

Londonwaspslover wrote:
Im a teenage london wasps supporter and wasps being in wycombe is something really great for me. I love the rugby atmosphere and it actually helps me take my mind of things especially coursework and the pressure at school. My school is pretty good with handing out stuff from Wasps and we get more stuff from them than WWFC. Also its something i get to do with my grandad because he is the only one in my family who will really see them with me :) If Wasps did move i think we would see a change in quite a few teenagers and all supporters of Wasps . They really did change my thoughts on sport and i resepect it more now . I respect London wasps and i hope they dont leave for a very long time but if they do i will support them where ever they go .

And your school is????????

You say" If Wasps did move i think we would see a change in quite a few teenagers and all supporters of Wasps"???

How will they change????

become more aggressive, become thugs, rob, steal be hooligans??????

HOW ????

So Wasps are some sort of relaxation proccess are they?

Why do you wana know ??

Well quite alot of people at my school support them and NO they wont (well they might you never know) rugby is a good sport which makes people have good team spirit.

People have there own opinions and i have mine and you have yours so i respect yours but respect others aswell !

Londonwaspslover wrote:
Im a teenage london wasps supporter and wasps being in wycombe is something really great for me. I love the rugby atmosphere and it actually helps me take my mind of things especially coursework and the pressure at school. My school is pretty good with handing out stuff from Wasps and we get more stuff from them than WWFC. Also its something i get to do with my grandad because he is the only one in my family who will really see them with me :) If Wasps did move i think we would see a change in quite a few teenagers and all supporters of Wasps . They really did change my thoughts on sport and i resepect it more now . I respect London wasps and i hope they dont leave for a very long time but if they do i will support them where ever they go .

That is one of the most reasoned arguments (if not the only one) I've seen towards retention of WASPs, thanks for your perspective.
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While your argument is " If Wasps did move i think we would see a change in quite a few teenagers and all supporters of Wasps ", that was probably the case when they moved to Adams' Park and it would probably be the same were they to move elsewhere. Whether or not handing stuff out at School is a community benefit, I suspect that there is more marketing benefit in order to capture young people such as yourself into going to matches.If they do stay and I hope that they do, then their long term security will be served best by living within their means, reducing their debt and making the best of what they have. Fortunately they are very lucky to have supporters like yourself and I hope that the Management do not lose sight of that support and take it for granted.

Thank you :)

I'm glad LondonWaspsLover enjoys the atmosphere at Adams Park. Long may that continue.
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Also Glad that his school is so supportive of Rugby, excellent.
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Wasn't there a article on BFP recently about the boys at Great Marlow School, winning virtually everything? Beat every team in Buckinghamshire and also the winners and runners up in Oxfordshire? Think they were year 7's (i.e. U12) and had little or no support from Wasps. They won five pieces of silverware and didn't lose a game; hardly conceding a try. Wasps get interested at U13 onwards I understand.
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Club rugby is very strong in the area and this is not down to wasps. It is down to a lot of fathers and coaches giving their time for nothing.
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On a Sunday morning, go to Marlow, High Wycombe, Beaconsfield, Henley, Tring, Thame, Amersham etc. and you'll see thriving Mini Rugby (U6-U12), Juniors (U13-U17) & Colts,....this would remain if Wasps depart.
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I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.

TheHorsesMouth wrote:
I'm glad LondonWaspsLover enjoys the atmosphere at Adams Park. Long may that continue.
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Also Glad that his school is so supportive of Rugby, excellent.
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Wasn't there a article on BFP recently about the boys at Great Marlow School, winning virtually everything? Beat every team in Buckinghamshire and also the winners and runners up in Oxfordshire? Think they were year 7's (i.e. U12) and had little or no support from Wasps. They won five pieces of silverware and didn't lose a game; hardly conceding a try. Wasps get interested at U13 onwards I understand.
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Club rugby is very strong in the area and this is not down to wasps. It is down to a lot of fathers and coaches giving their time for nothing.
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On a Sunday morning, go to Marlow, High Wycombe, Beaconsfield, Henley, Tring, Thame, Amersham etc. and you'll see thriving Mini Rugby (U6-U12), Juniors (U13-U17) & Colts,....this would remain if Wasps depart.
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I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.

Surprisingly im a female supporter :P I know my info says Fred, Texas it's because its my silly facebook place i come from.

I do agree with your last statment 'I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.'

Surprisingly im a female supporter :P I know my info says Fred, Texas it's because its my silly facebook place i come from.

I do agree with your last statment 'I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.'

sorry bout double comment didnt mean for that too happen :)

It would be no great loss to loose wasps, infact I would be pleased if the Wanderers went as well, lets face it they should never have had permission granted for the ground they occupy now. Councillors didnt get pushed hard enought then. At least it worked this time.

Londonwaspslover wrote:

TheHorsesMouth wrote:
I'm glad LondonWaspsLover enjoys the atmosphere at Adams Park. Long may that continue.
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Also Glad that his school is so supportive of Rugby, excellent.
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Wasn't there a article on BFP recently about the boys at Great Marlow School, winning virtually everything? Beat every team in Buckinghamshire and also the winners and runners up in Oxfordshire? Think they were year 7's (i.e. U12) and had little or no support from Wasps. They won five pieces of silverware and didn't lose a game; hardly conceding a try. Wasps get interested at U13 onwards I understand.
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Club rugby is very strong in the area and this is not down to wasps. It is down to a lot of fathers and coaches giving their time for nothing.
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On a Sunday morning, go to Marlow, High Wycombe, Beaconsfield, Henley, Tring, Thame, Amersham etc. and you'll see thriving Mini Rugby (U6-U12), Juniors (U13-U17) & Colts,....this would remain if Wasps depart.
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I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.

Surprisingly im a female supporter :P I know my info says Fred, Texas it's because its my silly facebook place i come from.

I do agree with your last statment 'I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.'

'I know my info says Fred, Texas it's because its my silly facebook place i come from.'

Could have been worse – you could have come from Swindler, Loco, Lazbuddie, Gasolene or Granny’s Neck, TX.

Londonwaspslover wrote:
Surprisingly im a female supporter :P I know my info says Fred, Texas it's because its my silly facebook place i come from.

I do agree with your last statment 'I'll end again to say that I'm happy for Wasps to stay and life will go on if they stay or go,...no problem what so ever.'

Glad to hear it and I'd be happy to see more ladies spectators.

Councillor Rogerson's remarks in his capacity as councilor for health has failed to realise that people who support London Wasps have no health gain while sitting watching a game of rugby, even those participating in playing rugby are engaged in one of the most dangerous sports in which serious injuries are common-place.
By and large I don't think it matters if they stay or go.