Wycombe town centre is in trouble (From Bucks Free Press)
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Wycombe town centre is in trouble
7:26pm Thursday 9th July 2009
I had got my blog for this evening prepared and ready to go then I arrived home to read the story on the news section of this site saying that a survey had found that 22% of the shop fronts in the complex are empty.
Apparently a comparable survey that took place in January found only 14% of shop fronts in the wonderful High Street are empty.
Of course such news comes as no surprise to me. You probably know my views on the many failings of the complex so I will not bore you by repeating them again.
What I found worrying was the fact that the powers that be are only now coming up with ideas to rectify the problem of the empty units. What have they been doing for the past 12 months?
The plan is to relax planning restrictions and try to change the mix of businesses in the High Street. Only 50% of the High Street premises will be required to be shops with the remaining units being made up of pubs, cafes and businesses.
In my opinion this is a big mistake. You simply can’t re-engineer a town on a whim and expect things to work. After all the re-engineering of shopping in Wycombe by building the complex was a dreadful mistake and is the cause of the empty retail units that blight the town centre today.
What would our High Street be like if it was full of pubs? In this age of social responsibility is it right to build more liquor houses to add to the army of drunken yobbos who take over the town after dark?
No. We do not need more pubs of cafes.
This proposed solution is merely a cop out designed fill up the empty units at any cost and paper over the cracks created when the shopping facilities in Wycombe were expanded.
Wycombe needs to look to a town like Marlow to find inspiration to get itself round. We need traditional phone boxes and proper wooden benches in our High Street and it needs to be kept clean and looked after.
I am getting fed up with the powers that be coming up with plans for the town. I think it’s time the people had their say. Are we really paying our Council Tax for people in Queen Victoria to firstly ruin the town through over expansion then try to fix the problems they have created?
If the rejuvenation of the town centre had been planned and carried out properly the empty units would simply not have existed. The simple fact is the complex is far too big for Wycombe and the over-expansion of retail units has killed our town centre. The mix of shops we have now is not very good either.
Only the other day I needed to buy a wire descaler for my kettle. Do you know the department store doesn’t even sell them? Unbelievable!
I managed to get one very easily in the towns other shopping centre though. So far I have yet to find anything in the complex that I need. Why on earth was it built and how does it expect to make a profit?
I really fear for Wycombe. Not only has the town been ruined by over expansion of the shopping area but it has taken over a year for the powers that be to even come up with a solution to the problem.
What hope do we have?
Comments(141)
Spitfire
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8:20pm Thu 9 Jul 09
OllieNewbury
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8:22pm Thu 9 Jul 09
If you ever needed to buy anything the average man would need, Eden may be of use to you.
Wycombe changed for the better last year, so stop with the complaining. I can buy everything I need in Wycombe- therefore I am happy.
demoness
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8:32pm Thu 9 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:What is a wire descaler for a kettle?
Yet several months ago you were complaining about the lack of 'English' restaurants in the town. If you ever needed to buy anything the average man would need, Eden may be of use to you. Wycombe changed for the better last year, so stop with the complaining. I can buy everything I need in Wycombe- therefore I am happy.
Melanie1
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8:32pm Thu 9 Jul 09
demoness
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8:38pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Melanie1 wrote:Thats what I use Melanie.
wire descaler for a kettle! Why not try white vinegar?
I reallly cannot be bothered to answer this twaddle.
Like the BFP article it is rubbish..
678
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8:58pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor
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9:02pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Yes, I too fear that the underlying problems will not be solved. Do we want a town centre full of pubs and drinks? I think not….
I gave Marlow as an example because they are masters of slick presentation there unlike Wycombe where anything seems to do.
ivor
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9:03pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Oh dear. I take it that you do not like this blog?
ivor
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9:03pm Thu 9 Jul 09
A restaurant is different from a pub. I definitely think that we do need a proper traditional English restaurant in Wycombe.
What happens if you are the above average man? I thought the complex was for upper class people?
ivor
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9:03pm Thu 9 Jul 09
It’s round circle of steel wool which you put in a kettle. When the kettle boils the pad moves around and scrapes the scale off the inside of the kettle to keep it clean. I thought you would have known what they are!
I expect the sort of people who shop in the complex have enough money to buy a new kettle rather than make their old one last.
ivor
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9:04pm Thu 9 Jul 09
I have never tried that although surely it is more expensive than a wire descaler?
ivor
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9:04pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Oh dear. I take it that you do not like this blog. What can I say? Perhaps I should have gone with my other blog which I prepared so carefully?
ivor
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9:07pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Yes, perhaps someone should work out the percentage of floor space not let and compare it to the High Street.
It would also be interesting to know the income from the floor space in the complex which is let when compared to the High Street. I suspect that floor space in the complex is not generating much income at all....
j_guasu
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9:09pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Pray tell, what on earth is a "traditional english restaurant"? That is something that has never existed - the concept of a restaurant is a continental thing, hence why "restaurant" is a french word. The traditional food places that we have in england are pubs - something which you apparently don't appove of.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 8:22pm
A restaurant is different from a pub. I definitely think that we do need a proper traditional English restaurant in Wycombe.
What happens if you are the above average man? I thought the complex was for upper class people?
demoness
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9:12pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:I use white vinegar
Re the comments of demoness at 8:32pm It’s round circle of steel wool which you put in a kettle. When the kettle boils the pad moves around and scrapes the scale off the inside of the kettle to keep it clean. I thought you would have known what they are! I expect the sort of people who shop in the complex have enough money to buy a new kettle rather than make their old one last.
LOL at the comment that Eden is for people with money.
Really really funny Ivor -how do you manage to be so witty?
demoness
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9:13pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:I rarely like any of your blogs. Surely you must realise this?
Re the comments of demoness at 8:38pm Oh dear. I take it that you do not like this blog. What can I say? Perhaps I should have gone with my other blog which I prepared so carefully?
ivor
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9:21pm Thu 9 Jul 09
A traditional English restaurant serves only English food. You know, roast beef, lamb, turkey and chicken. In my younger day I visited some of the top hotels in the country and ate the finest English food served at the table and cooked on the premises to my order. We need something like this in Wycombe.
Indeed I do not approve of pubs. Who wants to eat surrounded by yobs swilling back the beer?
ivor
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9:21pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Well you are lucky to be able to afford the vinegar.
Indeed I think the complex is aimed at people with money after all you can get many things they sell there cheaper elsewhere in the town!
ivor
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9:21pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Yes, I am fully aware of your dislike of me.
I am only a humble man trying his best to make Wycombe a better place.
j_guasu
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9:29pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Cheers for that. I'm quite aware of what constitutes english food - the point is that there's no such thing as a "traditional english restaurant". The traditional eateries in this country are pubs. I'm not even going to comment on your "yob" statement, as it's too daft for words. You might be surprised to know that normal people frequent pubs too, not just alcoholic hooligans.
Re the comments of j_guasu at 9:09pm
A traditional English restaurant serves only English food. You know, roast beef, lamb, turkey and chicken. In my younger day I visited some of the top hotels in the country and ate the finest English food served at the table and cooked on the premises to my order. We need something like this in Wycombe.
Indeed I do not approve of pubs. Who wants to eat surrounded by yobs swilling back the beer?
Numpty
j_guasu
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9:31pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Eurgh, not that again. So eden is too expensive for nomal people, yet you think Marlow is an ideal shopping destination. You really don't live on the same planet as the rest of us, do you?
Re the comments of demoness at 9:12pm
Well you are lucky to be able to afford the vinegar.
Indeed I think the complex is aimed at people with money after all you can get many things they sell there cheaper elsewhere in the town!
ivor
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9:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But I have been in restaurants that served the finest English food!
Maybe the word is not English but there are restaurants that serve all different kinds of food so why not a restaurant that serves traditional English food – note my careful re-arrangement of the words as I am not longer saying a traditional English restaurant!
From my experience once the keg is uncorked the trouble starts. Even the most normal person turns nasty when under the influence....
demoness
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9:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Oh...
Re the comments of demoness at 9:12pm Well you are lucky to be able to afford the vinegar. Indeed I think the complex is aimed at people with money after all you can get many things they sell there cheaper elsewhere in the town!
well white vinegar is about £1.37 for 500mls and it lasts quite a long time.
The kettle descalers you talk about are available in any supermarket and are about £1.19 for 3.
As for being rich emough to shop in Eden.
I don't know about that - most of High street names are in there and they are not known for being expensive...
ivor
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9:35pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But the things I looked at and compared the prices of were cheaper in Marlow than Wycombe!
I fear people may be paying the price for shopping in the complex. Being a man on a frugal income I have to save money wherever possible.
demoness
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9:36pm Thu 9 Jul 09
With respect, you don't actually appear to know what you are talking about.
ivor
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9:36pm Thu 9 Jul 09
A metal descaler I bought was just 75p and they last many years!
Do you not think the department store is expensive?
ivor
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9:37pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But it is cheaper in Marlow! Honest!
demoness
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9:38pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:You are a lot of things.....
Re the comments of demoness at 9:13pm Yes, I am fully aware of your dislike of me. I am only a humble man trying his best to make Wycombe a better place.
humble is not one of them.
I assume you know what the word means?
Oh yes and you are right - I detest you and everything you represent.
ivor
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9:40pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But I am often humbled!
You may detest me but I actually like you. You never know one day we may meet and you will come to see that actually I am not as bad as you think.
demoness
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9:40pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Some things are...
Re the comments of demoness at 9:34pm A metal descaler I bought was just 75p and they last many years! Do you not think the department store is expensive?
some things aren't.
I am of the opinion you get what you pay for.
Buy cheap rubbish and thst is what you will get.
I was raised by parents who encouraged me to save my money and buy good quality goods.
Obviously you were not but ah well...
demoness
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9:41pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:And I am disagreeing with you as I do not believe one thing you say .... ever.
Re the comments of demoness at 9:36pm But it is cheaper in Marlow! Honest!
demoness
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9:43pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:LOL
Re the comments of demoness at 9:38pm But I am often humbled! You may detest me but I actually like you. You never know one day we may meet and you will come to see that actually I am not as bad as you think.
I doubt that day will ever happen.
And if it did I would have no problems telling you what I thought of you to your face.
ivor
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9:44pm Thu 9 Jul 09
What happens it is a branded product and it is the cheaper in one town than another? Surely it pays to shop around? Marlow was cheaper for some items....
Unfortunately there is no money over to save at my home as it is all taken buy the bills....
ivor
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9:44pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But surely you must believe some of the things I say? Especially when I have pictures of them?
ivor
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9:45pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Well, that would be a very interesting meeting! Mark my words one day we will bump in to each other....
demoness
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9:48pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Forget it son.
Re the comments of demoness at 9:43pm Well, that would be a very interesting meeting! Mark my words one day we will bump in to each other....
I am NOT interested so take your sordid fantasies elsewhere.
demoness
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9:49pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Nothing you say.. no photos you take has any credibility with me.
Re the comments of demoness at 9:41pm But surely you must believe some of the things I say? Especially when I have pictures of them?
Your whole blogs, like your life, are a work of fiction and fantasy.
j_guasu
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9:53pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Are you still on about that effing toothbrush? Just because one toothbrush was 10p cheaper in one shop in Marlow than in one shop in Wycombe. Absolutely anyone will tell you that the shops in Marlow are generally more expensive. Why don't you see how many packets of biscuits and loaves of bread your paultry income gts you in Waitrose compared to Wycombe's tescos?
Re the comments of demoness at 9:40pm
What happens it is a branded product and it is the cheaper in one town than another? Surely it pays to shop around? Marlow was cheaper for some items....
Unfortunately there is no money over to save at my home as it is all taken buy the bills....
OllieNewbury
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10:12pm Thu 9 Jul 09
demoness wrote:I wouldn't call Boots, Superdrug, HMV, Waterstones etc upper-class shops.
ivor wrote:Oh...
Re the comments of demoness at 9:12pm Well you are lucky to be able to afford the vinegar. Indeed I think the complex is aimed at people with money after all you can get many things they sell there cheaper elsewhere in the town!
well white vinegar is about £1.37 for 500mls and it lasts quite a long time.
The kettle descalers you talk about are available in any supermarket and are about £1.19 for 3.
As for being rich emough to shop in Eden.
I don't know about that - most of High street names are in there and they are not known for being expensive...
If only Ivor could think like a normal person for once.
demoness
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10:15pm Thu 9 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:New Look certainly isn't.
demoness wrote:I wouldn't call Boots, Superdrug, HMV, Waterstones etc upper-class shops. If only Ivor could think like a normal person for once.ivor wrote: Re the comments of demoness at 9:12pm Well you are lucky to be able to afford the vinegar. Indeed I think the complex is aimed at people with money after all you can get many things they sell there cheaper elsewhere in the town!Oh... well white vinegar is about £1.37 for 500mls and it lasts quite a long time. The kettle descalers you talk about are available in any supermarket and are about £1.19 for 3. As for being rich emough to shop in Eden. I don't know about that - most of High street names are in there and they are not known for being expensive...
Neither is Marks and Spencers particularly.
Oh well...
OllieNewbury
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10:22pm Thu 9 Jul 09
demoness wrote:Yep- add M&S, Starbucks, Tescos, Bhs, Mothercare, Game...
OllieNewbury wrote:New Look certainly isn't.
demoness wrote:I wouldn't call Boots, Superdrug, HMV, Waterstones etc upper-class shops. If only Ivor could think like a normal person for once.ivor wrote: Re the comments of demoness at 9:12pm Well you are lucky to be able to afford the vinegar. Indeed I think the complex is aimed at people with money after all you can get many things they sell there cheaper elsewhere in the town!Oh... well white vinegar is about £1.37 for 500mls and it lasts quite a long time. The kettle descalers you talk about are available in any supermarket and are about £1.19 for 3. As for being rich emough to shop in Eden. I don't know about that - most of High street names are in there and they are not known for being expensive...
Neither is Marks and Spencers particularly.
Oh well...
It'd also be nice if Ivor stopped making those nasty assumptions i.e. thinking all pub users are drunks.
ivor
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10:33pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But I am not having any fantasy whatsoever.
Fate is a funny thing. One day we may just bump into each other.
ivor
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10:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
So you even question the pictures I take? You think the camera can lie? Very interesting….
Is this blog a work of fiction? Do you even doubt the original news story?
ivor
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10:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Yes, that’s right, the toothbrush!
Perhaps I should do a shopping basket comparison between the two towns. I’m sure the results would be very interesting!
ivor
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10:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But there are shops there which are selling upper class goods. I have looked in the window of these shops and I have been frightened by the prices.
ivor
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10:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
I guess the prices are affordable if you have a good income. However there are some people who are unfortunate and for them the prices are out of reach.
ivor
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10:34pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But the shops you mention are either in the old Octagon or close to the bus station. How many affordable shops are there in the part near the department store?
Not all pub users are drunks however from what I hear there are quite a few people who have one too many and cause some trouble.
OllieNewbury
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10:36pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:I'm sure you'd find some of the Marlow shopfronts even scarier.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:12pm
But there are shops there which are selling upper class goods. I have looked in the window of these shops and I have been frightened by the prices.
OllieNewbury
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10:38pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Look- there are many shops in Eden selling normal priced goods. You don't have to earn a six figure salary to shop there!
Re the comments of demoness at 10:15pm
I guess the prices are affordable if you have a good income. However there are some people who are unfortunate and for them the prices are out of reach.
OllieNewbury
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10:39pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:HMV, Waterstones, M&S, Boots, Superdrug, New Look... they're all in the new bit.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:22pm
But the shops you mention are either in the old Octagon or close to the bus station. How many affordable shops are there in the part near the department store?
Not all pub users are drunks however from what I hear there are quite a few people who have one too many and cause some trouble.
It's all Eden anyway.
You make far too many sweeping generalisations.
demoness
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10:43pm Thu 9 Jul 09
You are a very intelligent person - as are most of us who reply to Ivor.
Ivor however is not particularly bright - I am not saying he is stupid but he is not exactly the brightest candle on the birthday cake.
You cannot reason with ignorance and stupidity - I am saying this quite clincally now.
So let him have his illusions of grandeur - the poor sad fool...
ivor
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10:50pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Actually no as I thought the shop fronts in Marlow looked quite nice.
ivor
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10:50pm Thu 9 Jul 09
I shall have to do a detailed price comparison between the complex and the other shops in Wycombe to see what the difference is. A good topic for a blog I think....
ivor
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10:51pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Well, I think I may have lost that point.
ivor
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10:51pm Thu 9 Jul 09
I can’t help it if I am not the brightest bulb in the box. You should pity me....
demoness
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10:52pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:LOL
Re the comments of demoness at 10:43pm I can’t help it if I am not the brightest bulb in the box. You should pity me....
Oh but I do... but is more pity laced with contempt.
OllieNewbury
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10:54pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:But it will be biased against Eden. I know it will.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:38pm
I shall have to do a detailed price comparison between the complex and the other shops in Wycombe to see what the difference is. A good topic for a blog I think....
You will compare something from Wilkinsons with another thing from House of Fraser. That's not fair.
OllieNewbury
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10:55pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Yep. Advantage Newbury!
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:39pm
Well, I think I may have lost that point.
demoness
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10:56pm Thu 9 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:Well of course it will...
ivor wrote: Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:38pm I shall have to do a detailed price comparison between the complex and the other shops in Wycombe to see what the difference is. A good topic for a blog I think....But it will be biased against Eden. I know it will. You will compare something from Wilkinsons with another thing from House of Fraser. That's not fair.
but in the scheme of things... what a fat middle aged sad numpty thinks, who is semi literate and has the knowledge of a mentally challenged ape, is immaterial.
Let him do it..... no one cares anyway.
ivor
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10:56pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Surely you can’t have contempt for someone that you pity?
OllieNewbury
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10:56pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:You don't strike me as stupid, but more ignorant and arrogant.
Re the comments of demoness at 10:43pm
I can’t help it if I am not the brightest bulb in the box. You should pity me....
You also like to pretend you are terribly naive.
ivor
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10:57pm Thu 9 Jul 09
No. It would be fair and even.
What some is comparable to the department store?
ivor
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10:58pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Thank you saying that I am not stupid. Me arrogant? Never!
demoness
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10:59pm Thu 9 Jul 09
I said I would never forgive you .... well I won't.
Neither will I forget.
OllieNewbury
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11:00pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:If you are going to comapre things, do it fairly. For example, compare DVD's from WHSmiths and HMV, toothbrushes from Boots and Wilkinsons etc...
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:54pm
No. It would be fair and even.
What some is comparable to the department store?
It's not dificult.
OllieNewbury
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11:02pm Thu 9 Jul 09
ivor wrote:You are very arrogant, thinking the entire town agrees with you and coming up with this ridiculous 'silent majority' argument.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:56pm
Thank you saying that I am not stupid. Me arrogant? Never!
ivor
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11:08pm Thu 9 Jul 09
But I apologised. Is that not enough? Surely you can forgive and forget?
I intend to revisit and write a more positive blog at a later date.
ivor
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11:08pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Thant would be a very interesting comparison.
I usually compare items between the different shops before I buy them but usually I just end up wearing my shoes out tramping around the town centre!
I did try to compare the price of tooth brushes in various towns....
ivor
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11:08pm Thu 9 Jul 09
Oh dear. I am not arrogant in really indeed I am a humble person who is full of humility.
tom.marlow
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9:08am Fri 10 Jul 09
You should try harder next time
Anwar Mohammed Akhtar Ali
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10:26am Fri 10 Jul 09
Trite rubbish.
Melanie1
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11:24am Fri 10 Jul 09
With regards to the many references to a paultry income if you stopped eating for 10 then you'd have a lot more spare money in your pocket.
Plus ça change...
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5:25pm Fri 10 Jul 09
The only explanation can be that Ivor is in a parallel universe somewhere... and we are all at cross purposes.
Come on, Ivor, do the Serengeti blog.
J B Blackett
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2:14am Sat 11 Jul 09
Wycombe needs to look to a town like Marlow to find inspiration to get itself round. We need traditional phone boxes and proper wooden benches in our High Street and it needs to be kept clean and looked after.
Yes, we really need and want up to 20 expensive bijou dress and clothes shops in our High St just like Marlow has.
To the exclusion of the diverse character of Wycombe shops ?
Think about it.
demoness
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8:45am Sat 11 Jul 09
a scarecrow trail this weekend to try and entice people in.
Yes cos that will really work!
l1ghts
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1:07pm Sat 11 Jul 09
A little background: I'm not a 'native' of High Wycombe (I moved here for work nearly 20 years ago) but I've made the town my home and applaud the direction the town is moving.
Since it opened Eden has breathed new life into this town. I can remember what the centre was like only a few years ago - relatively quiet - I guess many people disenchanted with the lack of facilities inc. shops spent their weekend time and money elsewhere eg. Reading (where I chose). High Wycombe was a place for the 'core' Wycombe resident. Now, when in town on a Saturday (or even Sunday - the place is still relatively busy) I'm amazed at the number of people. Many of these people are new to the town ie. checking the Eden maps or asking directions. The 'out of towners' are spending money in our town providing jobs for local people.
I know that some people don't like the Eden structure (it should be fully enclosed complete with doors). I like it for exactly the opposite, it is light and airy, the height of the malls gives the impression of grandeur. The very enclosed and claustrophobic nature of some of this countrys shopping centres is a throwback to the 70s (Blackburn, my home town, is a perfect example). The buses in the new bus station can now remain in the open air - where they belong, not in the dark, noxious and scary vault that was the old bus station.
People must be able to remember the Eden site before construction began - the decrepit surface car-park.
In response to those that moan that you can't buy the everyday essentials in Wycombe - you can! Not all of them in Eden, granted, but Eden is only one part of the town centre. The majority of new shoppers would not visit High Wycombe if all the town sold were the essentials. It is not only the poor that inhabit Wycombe. There are many people that can afford the goods for sale in Eden, even House of Fraser - myself included.
Since Eden was built we are seeing greatly increased investment in the town, the University, Sainsburys, new hotels etc. this can only be a good thing.
ivor
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6:19pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Oh dear. I went to all that trouble writing this blog and then you can’t be bothered to read it.
I try as hard as I can every time I write a blog.
ivor
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6:19pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Well I felt the story about the complex was more important than the blog I had prepared. One thing you can say is that I never cover the big issues of the moment on my blog.
ivor
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6:20pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Oh dear. Please don’t tell me that you are of the same opinion.
Yes, now I am on my diet I hope to make some financial savings although I fear the rise in Council Tax has more than taken any savings away.
ivor
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6:20pm Sat 11 Jul 09
No. I am most definitely in the same universe as you.
Why do you keep on about the Serengeti blog? It would take ages for me to get there and I would not be able to blog all that time. Are you saying that I should go away and not write any blogs?
ivor
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6:20pm Sat 11 Jul 09
But the shops were not that expensive in Marlow indeed I found items cheaper there!
I am sure the mix of shops we have in Wycombe would still be there if some higher class establishments moved in.
Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:20pm Sat 11 Jul 09
But Marlow is doing better than Wycombe!
ivor
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6:21pm Sat 11 Jul 09
We are pleased to hear from you even if it has taken a while for you to decide to comment.
But the town centre is still quite especially when you look at how many people are buying things from the shops in the complex in the week.
But are the jobs the local people have in the complex any good? Could you but a £250k house on a shops assistant’s wages? Me thinks not!
It is a shame that our once lovely town centre has been ruined for the sake of “out of towner’s”. We are merely the dustbin of South Bucks who has to have out town centre ruined for the sake of others.
Yes, the complex should be fully enclosed. It’s too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter and too wet when it rains even though it does have a roof! But our old bus station in Newlands was a magnificent building! It should have been preserved for all to see and enjoy.
The old Bridge Street car park could have bee turned into a town centre park with trees, playground and open grassy areas. Think how nice that would have been for everyone.
You are indeed lucky if you can afford the goods on sale in the complex.
Thank you for your comment.
OllieNewbury
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7:32pm Sat 11 Jul 09
l1ghts wrote:Well done.
After reading some of the negative comments re: Eden, since it opened I've finally 'snapped' and felt forced to respond.
A little background: I'm not a 'native' of High Wycombe (I moved here for work nearly 20 years ago) but I've made the town my home and applaud the direction the town is moving.
Since it opened Eden has breathed new life into this town. I can remember what the centre was like only a few years ago - relatively quiet - I guess many people disenchanted with the lack of facilities inc. shops spent their weekend time and money elsewhere eg. Reading (where I chose). High Wycombe was a place for the 'core' Wycombe resident. Now, when in town on a Saturday (or even Sunday - the place is still relatively busy) I'm amazed at the number of people. Many of these people are new to the town ie. checking the Eden maps or asking directions. The 'out of towners' are spending money in our town providing jobs for local people.
I know that some people don't like the Eden structure (it should be fully enclosed complete with doors). I like it for exactly the opposite, it is light and airy, the height of the malls gives the impression of grandeur. The very enclosed and claustrophobic nature of some of this countrys shopping centres is a throwback to the 70s (Blackburn, my home town, is a perfect example). The buses in the new bus station can now remain in the open air - where they belong, not in the dark, noxious and scary vault that was the old bus station.
People must be able to remember the Eden site before construction began - the decrepit surface car-park.
In response to those that moan that you can't buy the everyday essentials in Wycombe - you can! Not all of them in Eden, granted, but Eden is only one part of the town centre. The majority of new shoppers would not visit High Wycombe if all the town sold were the essentials. It is not only the poor that inhabit Wycombe. There are many people that can afford the goods for sale in Eden, even House of Fraser - myself included.
Since Eden was built we are seeing greatly increased investment in the town, the University, Sainsburys, new hotels etc. this can only be a good thing.
I agree with everything you say.
OllieNewbury
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7:34pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Ivor, for heaven's sake- stop moaning and accept progress.
Re the comments of l1ghts at 1:07pm
We are pleased to hear from you even if it has taken a while for you to decide to comment.
But the town centre is still quite especially when you look at how many people are buying things from the shops in the complex in the week.
But are the jobs the local people have in the complex any good? Could you but a £250k house on a shops assistant’s wages? Me thinks not!
It is a shame that our once lovely town centre has been ruined for the sake of “out of towner’s”. We are merely the dustbin of South Bucks who has to have out town centre ruined for the sake of others.
Yes, the complex should be fully enclosed. It’s too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter and too wet when it rains even though it does have a roof! But our old bus station in Newlands was a magnificent building! It should have been preserved for all to see and enjoy.
The old Bridge Street car park could have bee turned into a town centre park with trees, playground and open grassy areas. Think how nice that would have been for everyone.
You are indeed lucky if you can afford the goods on sale in the complex.
Thank you for your comment.
You want Wycombe to be the powerhouse of Bucks? The only way that can happen is by drawing people in, and that's what Eden does.
If you want a covered mall, get off your backside and take the bus to Slough. At least we won't have to hear your complaining.
faisal mahmood
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7:35pm Sat 11 Jul 09
sad that the shops are empty but the council needs to do more and improve the town.
good luck on the diet!
ivor
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8:27pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Well, I could give you a regular update on Tuesday as to how my weight loss is going if you like. I wonder hoe many people would like to hear that?
I guess it would be interesting to publish how far I have managed to go in the exercise bike and give the stats!
Do you think the other readers would be interested?
ivor
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8:27pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Indeed I would like to see Wycombe as the powerhouse of Bucks but I fear we are going the wrong way about achieving this. The complex needed to be far more spectacular than it actually is.
Why should I have to go so Slough? If I have to leave Wycombe after the town spent £1/3billion on building a new shopping centre there is something very wrong indeed!
Plus ça change...
says...
8:28pm Sat 11 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:
l1ghts wrote: After reading some of the negative comments re: Eden, since it opened I've finally 'snapped' and felt forced to respond. A little background: I'm not a 'native' of High Wycombe (I moved here for work nearly 20 years ago) but I've made the town my home and applaud the direction the town is moving. Since it opened Eden has breathed new life into this town. I can remember what the centre was like only a few years ago - relatively quiet - I guess many people disenchanted with the lack of facilities inc. shops spent their weekend time and money elsewhere eg. Reading (where I chose). High Wycombe was a place for the 'core' Wycombe resident. Now, when in town on a Saturday (or even Sunday - the place is still relatively busy) I'm amazed at the number of people. Many of these people are new to the town ie. checking the Eden maps or asking directions. The 'out of towners' are spending money in our town providing jobs for local people. I know that some people don't like the Eden structure (it should be fully enclosed complete with doors). I like it for exactly the opposite, it is light and airy, the height of the malls gives the impression of grandeur. The very enclosed and claustrophobic nature of some of this countrys shopping centres is a throwback to the 70s (Blackburn, my home town, is a perfect example). The buses in the new bus station can now remain in the open air - where they belong, not in the dark, noxious and scary vault that was the old bus station. People must be able to remember the Eden site before construction began - the decrepit surface car-park. In response to those that moan that you can't buy the everyday essentials in Wycombe - you can! Not all of them in Eden, granted, but Eden is only one part of the town centre. The majority of new shoppers would not visit High Wycombe if all the town sold were the essentials. It is not only the poor that inhabit Wycombe. There are many people that can afford the goods for sale in Eden, even House of Fraser - myself included. Since Eden was built we are seeing greatly increased investment in the town, the University, Sainsburys, new hotels etc. this can only be a good thing.Well done. I agree with everything you say.
Yep. Refreshing to read coherent comment.
You can only take so much from the Wycowhingers and Marlomoaners...
Ivor, the whole country is in a bit of a 'pickle' at the moment...
You are so 'wrapped up' in your mangles and doors you may not have noticed.
ivor
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8:29pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Indeed the powers that be do need to do more to get the town back on its feet but you must remember it was their plans for a large shopping centre that blow the town apart in the first place!
Considering it has taken over a year before they started coming up with proposals to put things right I do not hold out much hope for Wycombe.
ivor
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8:31pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Yes, the whole country may be in a pickle at the moment but I fear the pickle in Wycombe was made bigger than needs be thanks to the building of the complex!
OllieNewbury
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8:36pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Oh please. You are the most annoying person to argue with.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 7:34pm
Indeed I would like to see Wycombe as the powerhouse of Bucks but I fear we are going the wrong way about achieving this. The complex needed to be far more spectacular than it actually is.
Why should I have to go so Slough? If I have to leave Wycombe after the town spent £1/3billion on building a new shopping centre there is something very wrong indeed!
If you really wanted a covered mall, you'd do something productive and go find one (i.e. Slough). Instead, you complain for the sake of it.
The complex is good enough for me. It was nice and busy yesterday- and that's good.
Plus ça change...
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8:43pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Your ideas are just fickle!
ivor
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8:44pm Sat 11 Jul 09
But we are not arguing merely having a lively debate.
If I want a covered mall there is no need to go to Slough as we have the wonderful Chilterns Centre.
I am pleased to hear that the complex is good enough for you and that you are pleased with it also that it was busy yesterday.
ivor
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8:46pm Sat 11 Jul 09
From my recent visits to Aylesbury and Marlow I would say that Wycombe is in a far bigger pickle that either of those towns.
My ideas are plain common sense. One day you may come to see just how far ahead of their time they are!
OllieNewbury
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8:50pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:What does the Chiltern Centre have? Mainly clothes stores- womens' clothes stores, which you hate. There's also the post office and Wilkinsons. Not much else.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 8:36pm
But we are not arguing merely having a lively debate.
If I want a covered mall there is no need to go to Slough as we have the wonderful Chilterns Centre.
I am pleased to hear that the complex is good enough for you and that you are pleased with it also that it was busy yesterday.
I caught your little comment on the Myleene Klass article regarding Eden. I'm sure you'd like to read my reply.
Stop complaining.
OllieNewbury
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8:52pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Your ideas come from a man stuck in the last century who can't accept progress or understand that others may have views which differ from his.
Re the comments of Plus ça change... at 8:43pm
From my recent visits to Aylesbury and Marlow I would say that Wycombe is in a far bigger pickle that either of those towns.
My ideas are plain common sense. One day you may come to see just how far ahead of their time they are!
ivor
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8:52pm Sat 11 Jul 09
The Chilterns Centre has a varied mix of shops that sell the things I need for my daily life. From posting a letter to buying a wire kettle descaler you can get it all there.
Yes, I have just seen your reply to my comment.
ivor
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8:55pm Sat 11 Jul 09
There was nothing wrong with the last century. Look at all the good things that happened there!
Remember in the 1960’s (when that marvellous Newlands bus station was built) men were being sent to the moon on top of giant rockets. Nothing like that is being done today.
I fully understand progress providing it is for the better.
OllieNewbury
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9:00pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Where can you buy music or DVDs? Where can you buy books? Is there is a pharmacy?
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 8:50pm
The Chilterns Centre has a varied mix of shops that sell the things I need for my daily life. From posting a letter to buying a wire kettle descaler you can get it all there.
Yes, I have just seen your reply to my comment.
Your daily life must be very strange if you can get everything you need from the Chiltern Centre.
OllieNewbury
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9:02pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:There were plenty of things wrong the the 1900s. Two world wars, for instance.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 8:52pm
There was nothing wrong with the last century. Look at all the good things that happened there!
Remember in the 1960’s (when that marvellous Newlands bus station was built) men were being sent to the moon on top of giant rockets. Nothing like that is being done today.
I fully understand progress providing it is for the better.
Do you know how much CO2 a rocket launch produces? Think about that.
The progress in Wycombe is for the better. The old fuddy-duddies like yourself don't get that.
Plus ça change...
says...
9:03pm Sat 11 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:
ivor wrote: Re the comments of Plus ça change... at 8:43pm From my recent visits to Aylesbury and Marlow I would say that Wycombe is in a far bigger pickle that either of those towns. My ideas are plain common sense. One day you may come to see just how far ahead of their time they are!Your ideas come from a man stuck in the last century who can't accept progress or understand that others may have views which differ from his.
'...that virtually everyone else has views which differ ....'
Ivor, you went to one distant and exotic, supposedly less pickled metropolis recently but there were no people in your photos at all.
Such an absence does not really support your views.
ivor
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9:07pm Sat 11 Jul 09
I can get all the other things I need from the High Street where there is pharmacy, etc.... I don’t buy music or DVD’s.
ivor
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9:09pm Sat 11 Jul 09
But people did not worry about the climate change mumbo-jumbo back in the 60’s. In fact I don’t worry too much about it today!
I am not a fuddy-duddy. No. I am just someone who has high standards and likes the very best possible at all times.
OllieNewbury
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9:12pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:But you said you could get everything from the Chiltern Centre!
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 9:02pm
I can get all the other things I need from the High Street where there is pharmacy, etc.... I don’t buy music or DVD’s.
OllieNewbury
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9:13pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:I thought you were concerned about air pollution? That's why you told someone never to see their relatives in Australia again.
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 9:02pm
But people did not worry about the climate change mumbo-jumbo back in the 60’s. In fact I don’t worry too much about it today!
I am not a fuddy-duddy. No. I am just someone who has high standards and likes the very best possible at all times.
You are definately a fuddy duddy.
Plus ça change...
says...
9:15pm Sat 11 Jul 09
.... fickle!
Melanie1
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9:50pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Probably not that interested but it's got to be better than the regular tripe that you write about!
Re the comments of Melanie1 at 12:31pm Fri 10 Jul 09 Well, I could give you a regular update on Tuesday as to how my weight loss is going if you like. I wonder hoe many people would like to hear that? I guess it would be interesting to publish how far I have managed to go in the exercise bike and give the stats! Do you think the other readers would be interested?
Besides which I want to know just how long this health kick of yours lasts for, on past history I'd say about 2 weeks before someone offers you a slice of cake and you eat the cake, the plate and the hand that is offering it!
ivor
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10:01pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Btu I am very careful to avoid taking photos with people in them. I can assure you that the towns I visited were extremely busy when I visited.
ivor
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10:05pm Sat 11 Jul 09
I said that I could get everything I needed for my daily life! I do not need CD’s and VDV’s for my daily life!
ivor
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10:06pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Yes, I am concerned about air pollution but I am not sure if that air pollution is causing global warming or eve in global warming exists.
ivor
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10:06pm Sat 11 Jul 09
You never say anything nice to me do you?
There is tea and cake on offer at the open day at Pann Mill according to the headline story on the news section of this site. It’s very tempting....
OllieNewbury
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10:09pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:No Ivor. If you want photographic evidence of something, it helps to capture that something in the photograph!
Re the comments of Plus ça change... at 9:03pm
Btu I am very careful to avoid taking photos with people in them. I can assure you that the towns I visited were extremely busy when I visited.
OllieNewbury
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10:10pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Oh dear. Is that supposed to be a joke? VDV's?
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 9:12pm
I said that I could get everything I needed for my daily life! I do not need CD’s and VDV’s for my daily life!
You may be a luddite, but the hundreds of thousands who visit Eden aren't.
OllieNewbury
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10:12pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:But you can't do that. The people who responded to that other blog kindly gave you plenty of FREE advice.
Re the comments of Melanie1 at 8:50pm
You never say anything nice to me do you?
There is tea and cake on offer at the open day at Pann Mill according to the headline story on the news section of this site. It’s very tempting....
Do you want to make a mockery of their kindness? You are unbelievable.
ivor
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10:45pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Yes, you are right. On my recent blog lots of people kindly gave me free advice and I really must lose weight or there may not be many more blogs from me and I know how much people enjoy reading them.
I shall resist temptation and stay at home tomorrow just to be on the safe side.
demoness
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10:51pm Sat 11 Jul 09
I am going to give you 2 quotes from their website...
"The High Wycombe Society was founded 40 years ago to bring together people who valued our town and wanted to prevent its deterioration in the face of the development pressures that had run rampant in the 1960s.
Although the bodies that manage the town - the Wycombe District Council and the Bucks County Council - are today far more mindful than their predecessors of so much that is of value in our historic town, the work of the High Wycombe Society continues. There is much still to do. "
I draw your
attention to the reasons it was formed.... because of what the 1960's planners did to High Wycombe.
You are in the minority Ivor - if you think that the 1960's were better for building then okay.
BUT please keep your outdated ideas and opinions to yourself.
BTW I was having a meal in one of the restaurants in Eden tonight.
It, like all of the others and the cinema and the bowling alley, were heaving.
Busy with young people, older people and families all having fun.
STOP making Wycombe out to be a town full of peasants Ivor.
As a Wycombite born and bred, I am fed up with it.
demoness
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10:53pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:On the contrary, I would say if it made you leave Wycombe, it would be a day of rejoicing...
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 7:34pm Indeed I would like to see Wycombe as the powerhouse of Bucks but I fear we are going the wrong way about achieving this. The complex needed to be far more spectacular than it actually is. Why should I have to go so Slough? If I have to leave Wycombe after the town spent £1/3billion on building a new shopping centre there is something very wrong indeed!
demoness
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10:59pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Thats not what the Marlow Traders and council are saying..
Re the comments of demoness at 8:45am But Marlow is doing better than Wycombe!
Ah well you know best....
OllieNewbury
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11:05pm Sat 11 Jul 09
demoness wrote:Out of interest, which restaurant were you dining in?
Well FYO Ivor, I was reading about the High Wycombe Society today....
I am going to give you 2 quotes from their website...
"The High Wycombe Society was founded 40 years ago to bring together people who valued our town and wanted to prevent its deterioration in the face of the development pressures that had run rampant in the 1960s.
Although the bodies that manage the town - the Wycombe District Council and the Bucks County Council - are today far more mindful than their predecessors of so much that is of value in our historic town, the work of the High Wycombe Society continues. There is much still to do. "
I draw your
attention to the reasons it was formed.... because of what the 1960's planners did to High Wycombe.
You are in the minority Ivor - if you think that the 1960's were better for building then okay.
BUT please keep your outdated ideas and opinions to yourself.
BTW I was having a meal in one of the restaurants in Eden tonight.
It, like all of the others and the cinema and the bowling alley, were heaving.
Busy with young people, older people and families all having fun.
STOP making Wycombe out to be a town full of peasants Ivor.
As a Wycombite born and bred, I am fed up with it.
I'd like to try that new restaurant, Richoux.
OllieNewbury
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11:08pm Sat 11 Jul 09
ivor wrote:People don't enjoy reading your blogs- they enjoy reading the comments!
Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:11pm
Yes, you are right. On my recent blog lots of people kindly gave me free advice and I really must lose weight or there may not be many more blogs from me and I know how much people enjoy reading them.
I shall resist temptation and stay at home tomorrow just to be on the safe side.
demoness
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11:10pm Sat 11 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:I have had breakfast in Richoux -it was yum.
demoness wrote: Well FYO Ivor, I was reading about the High Wycombe Society today.... I am going to give you 2 quotes from their website... "The High Wycombe Society was founded 40 years ago to bring together people who valued our town and wanted to prevent its deterioration in the face of the development pressures that had run rampant in the 1960s. Although the bodies that manage the town - the Wycombe District Council and the Bucks County Council - are today far more mindful than their predecessors of so much that is of value in our historic town, the work of the High Wycombe Society continues. There is much still to do. " I draw your attention to the reasons it was formed.... because of what the 1960's planners did to High Wycombe. You are in the minority Ivor - if you think that the 1960's were better for building then okay. BUT please keep your outdated ideas and opinions to yourself. BTW I was having a meal in one of the restaurants in Eden tonight. It, like all of the others and the cinema and the bowling alley, were heaving. Busy with young people, older people and families all having fun. STOP making Wycombe out to be a town full of peasants Ivor. As a Wycombite born and bred, I am fed up with it.Out of interest, which restaurant were you dining in? I'd like to try that new restaurant, Richoux.
Was in Zizzi'z tonight - OMG Ollie - the food there is sublime - have you been?
OllieNewbury
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11:13pm Sat 11 Jul 09
demoness wrote:I have been to Zizzi once for dinner, and it was very nice. It must try it again.
OllieNewbury wrote:I have had breakfast in Richoux -it was yum.
demoness wrote: Well FYO Ivor, I was reading about the High Wycombe Society today.... I am going to give you 2 quotes from their website... "The High Wycombe Society was founded 40 years ago to bring together people who valued our town and wanted to prevent its deterioration in the face of the development pressures that had run rampant in the 1960s. Although the bodies that manage the town - the Wycombe District Council and the Bucks County Council - are today far more mindful than their predecessors of so much that is of value in our historic town, the work of the High Wycombe Society continues. There is much still to do. " I draw your attention to the reasons it was formed.... because of what the 1960's planners did to High Wycombe. You are in the minority Ivor - if you think that the 1960's were better for building then okay. BUT please keep your outdated ideas and opinions to yourself. BTW I was having a meal in one of the restaurants in Eden tonight. It, like all of the others and the cinema and the bowling alley, were heaving. Busy with young people, older people and families all having fun. STOP making Wycombe out to be a town full of peasants Ivor. As a Wycombite born and bred, I am fed up with it.Out of interest, which restaurant were you dining in? I'd like to try that new restaurant, Richoux.
Was in Zizzi'z tonight - OMG Ollie - the food there is sublime - have you been?
So you liked Richoux?! That's good- the menu looked nice. I shall try it in the coming week.
demoness
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11:17pm Sat 11 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:I agree Ollie.
ivor wrote: Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:11pm Yes, you are right. On my recent blog lots of people kindly gave me free advice and I really must lose weight or there may not be many more blogs from me and I know how much people enjoy reading them. I shall resist temptation and stay at home tomorrow just to be on the safe side.People don't enjoy reading your blogs- they enjoy reading the comments!
Lets burst this egotistical bullfrog's bubble once and for all.
I threatened to leave - people asked me not to and said I would be missed.
Brachy threatened to leave and got the same response.
If Ollie, Tom , Melanie threatened to leave, the rest of us would ask them not to.
If you threatened to leave, we would say "when!"
demoness
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11:18pm Sat 11 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:Have you tried the Tapas Bar yet?
demoness wrote:I have been to Zizzi once for dinner, and it was very nice. It must try it again. So you liked Richoux?! That's good- the menu looked nice. I shall try it in the coming week.OllieNewbury wrote:I have had breakfast in Richoux -it was yum. Was in Zizzi'z tonight - OMG Ollie - the food there is sublime - have you been?demoness wrote: Well FYO Ivor, I was reading about the High Wycombe Society today.... I am going to give you 2 quotes from their website... "The High Wycombe Society was founded 40 years ago to bring together people who valued our town and wanted to prevent its deterioration in the face of the development pressures that had run rampant in the 1960s. Although the bodies that manage the town - the Wycombe District Council and the Bucks County Council - are today far more mindful than their predecessors of so much that is of value in our historic town, the work of the High Wycombe Society continues. There is much still to do. " I draw your attention to the reasons it was formed.... because of what the 1960's planners did to High Wycombe. You are in the minority Ivor - if you think that the 1960's were better for building then okay. BUT please keep your outdated ideas and opinions to yourself. BTW I was having a meal in one of the restaurants in Eden tonight. It, like all of the others and the cinema and the bowling alley, were heaving. Busy with young people, older people and families all having fun. STOP making Wycombe out to be a town full of peasants Ivor. As a Wycombite born and bred, I am fed up with it.Out of interest, which restaurant were you dining in? I'd like to try that new restaurant, Richoux.
Oh and Yo Suchi is yum as well.
OMG how lucky are we? All these restaurants..
OllieNewbury
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11:28pm Sat 11 Jul 09
demoness wrote:I haven't been to the new Frankie and Benny's near the cinema yet. I'm not too keen on sushi myself, but it's nice that we have a good restaurant serving it.
OllieNewbury wrote:Have you tried the Tapas Bar yet?
demoness wrote:I have been to Zizzi once for dinner, and it was very nice. It must try it again. So you liked Richoux?! That's good- the menu looked nice. I shall try it in the coming week.OllieNewbury wrote:I have had breakfast in Richoux -it was yum. Was in Zizzi'z tonight - OMG Ollie - the food there is sublime - have you been?demoness wrote: Well FYO Ivor, I was reading about the High Wycombe Society today.... I am going to give you 2 quotes from their website... "The High Wycombe Society was founded 40 years ago to bring together people who valued our town and wanted to prevent its deterioration in the face of the development pressures that had run rampant in the 1960s. Although the bodies that manage the town - the Wycombe District Council and the Bucks County Council - are today far more mindful than their predecessors of so much that is of value in our historic town, the work of the High Wycombe Society continues. There is much still to do. " I draw your attention to the reasons it was formed.... because of what the 1960's planners did to High Wycombe. You are in the minority Ivor - if you think that the 1960's were better for building then okay. BUT please keep your outdated ideas and opinions to yourself. BTW I was having a meal in one of the restaurants in Eden tonight. It, like all of the others and the cinema and the bowling alley, were heaving. Busy with young people, older people and families all having fun. STOP making Wycombe out to be a town full of peasants Ivor. As a Wycombite born and bred, I am fed up with it.Out of interest, which restaurant were you dining in? I'd like to try that new restaurant, Richoux.
Oh and Yo Suchi is yum as well.
OMG how lucky are we? All these restaurants..
I haven't been to the Tapas Bar either. All these restaurants I've got to try, including Richoux! We are lucky.
OllieNewbury
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11:29pm Sat 11 Jul 09
demoness wrote:It's true- almost all the less frequent contributors have remarked that they enjoy reading our comments more than the blog itself.
OllieNewbury wrote:I agree Ollie.
ivor wrote: Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 10:11pm Yes, you are right. On my recent blog lots of people kindly gave me free advice and I really must lose weight or there may not be many more blogs from me and I know how much people enjoy reading them. I shall resist temptation and stay at home tomorrow just to be on the safe side.People don't enjoy reading your blogs- they enjoy reading the comments!
Lets burst this egotistical bullfrog's bubble once and for all.
I threatened to leave - people asked me not to and said I would be missed.
Brachy threatened to leave and got the same response.
If Ollie, Tom , Melanie threatened to leave, the rest of us would ask them not to.
If you threatened to leave, we would say "when!"
demoness
says...
11:30pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Please try the Tapas Bar - it is really reasonable and so scrummy.
OllieNewbury
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11:37pm Sat 11 Jul 09
demoness wrote:Will do.
Franky and Bennys are a good chain if you see what I mean. A place to go if you are in a group.
Please try the Tapas Bar - it is really reasonable and so scrummy.
My favourite lunchtime cafe has got to be BBs Coffee and Muffins, which does delicious baguettes. I also like the Coffee Cup and the Saucy Chef.
But I will try some of the other restaurants.
ivor
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12:41am Sun 12 Jul 09
But the planners of the 60’s took bold decisions I mean just look at the designs of their buildings. So there were a few mistakes along the way but tat is only to be expected when you are pushing the boundaries.
I am pleased to hear that you enjoyed your meal tonight.
ivor
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12:41am Sun 12 Jul 09
That’s a terrible thing to say. You don’t really want me to leave do you?
ivor
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12:41am Sun 12 Jul 09
Oh no! What an awful thing to say.
I don’t want anybody to leave and deep down I’m sure you don’t want anyone (including me) to leave either.
We haven’t heard from Brachy lately. I expect he is on holiday and we will hear from him when he returns.
demoness
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7:27am Sun 12 Jul 09
ivor wrote:Oh yes actually I would.
Re the comments of demoness at 10:53pm That’s a terrible thing to say. You don’t really want me to leave do you?
I think you do this paper and the town of High Wycombe no favours at all.
demoness
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7:28am Sun 12 Jul 09
ivor wrote:LOL
Re the comments of demoness at 10:51pm But the planners of the 60’s took bold decisions I mean just look at the designs of their buildings. So there were a few mistakes along the way but tat is only to be expected when you are pushing the boundaries. I am pleased to hear that you enjoyed your meal tonight.
What a shame that no one else agrees with you..
jamie1
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1:16pm Sun 12 Jul 09
OllieNewbury
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6:58pm Sun 12 Jul 09
jamie1 wrote:I think Ivor's lack of a social life has done something to his eyes, preventing him from seeing other human beings.
iwas in la tasca on tuesday night and it was busy, i did a quick head count (sad i know!) and there was 45-50 other customers - not bad for a tuesday night, espically considering no one supposidly uses eden
That's a fantastic number of people for a Tuesday night. I trust you enjoyed your meal?
jamie1
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7:34pm Sun 12 Jul 09
my chorizo was a bit overcooked though.
eden has 6 major restaurants and if they all served that number of people per night then i think it is a sucess.
i think ivor only visits eden at 5am - hense the reason he sees noone.
also on the subject all the empty uits at eden are small, whereas the high street has a large 3 storie department store empty.
OllieNewbury
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7:38pm Sun 12 Jul 09
jamie1 wrote:*Frankie and Benny's
yes thanks, it was a nice meal. Wycombe la tasca has improved greatly and is now comparable to other ones in the chain (i have been to 5 different la tascas - sad i know!).
my chorizo was a bit overcooked though.
eden has 6 major restaurants and if they all served that number of people per night then i think it is a sucess.
i think ivor only visits eden at 5am - hense the reason he sees noone.
also on the subject all the empty uits at eden are small, whereas the high street has a large 3 storie department store empty.
*Zizzi
*Wagamama's
*La Tasca
*Yo Sushi!
What have I missed out?
Then there's:
*Richoux
*Starbucks
*Saucy Chef
*BB's
*M&S and Hof cafes
*Subway
*Food Fountain
Eden's not doing too bad for restaurants!
Spitfire
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9:49pm Sun 12 Jul 09
OllieNewbury
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10:02pm Sun 12 Jul 09
Spitfire wrote:Ah yes! How could I miss that!
Nandos!
Thanks.
Can you imagine Wycombe High Street full of pubs?
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678 says...
8:19pm Thu 9 Jul 09