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Looking back on the day Wycombe died

By ivor »

Was it really two years ago that I went to see the opening of the complex?

I still remember the outrage caused by the semi-naked dancers who performed at the opening ceremony not to mention the disappointment on the faces of some people when they saw what the centre was like.

With no doors and a leaky roof the people of Wycombe expected more.

The centre opened with many units empty and boarded up. Most of the shops that were open had moved from other parts of town. The trail of empty retail units left in other parts of town still blights Wycombe to this day.

A few months after opening the worst recession in living memory gripped the country and a shiny new shopping centre that increased retail space was last thing our town needed.

Towering over nearby buildings like the grim reaper the complex was arguably one of the worst things to happen to our town in years.

It wouldn't be so bad if the place gave a nice shopping experience but the wind and rain that blights the covered mall is a major turn off for many people.

So what has happened in the past two years?

Well, amazingly some units are still waiting to be let. Boarded up for two years they stand like an albatross around the neck of the infernal place.

In the rush to fill the units they have even let in shops selling unmentionables. So much for a family shopping experience.

In the High Street the "For Sale" and "To Let" boards hang like a noose around perfectly good retail units that once echoed to the hustle and bustle of shoppers and ringing tills.

Let's face it Wycombe did not need a new shopping centre.

A few months later the library moved however the old library building in Queen Victoria Road still stands vacant to this very day like a zombie watching over the Council offices opposite as a reminder of the mistakes of the past.

Sadly some of the new businesses that did arrive have already failed.

Take the restaurant that used to be in the funny oval shaped building by the new library. Sadly it has closed. No doubt other businesses may close in the future. In time I fear the whole she bang will falter and fall like a house of cards.

So did Wycombe benefit from the complex?

Well, I think not. So far I have yet to buy anything from any of the shops there and what's more the skyline and architecture of our historic market town has been ruined by the overbearing building.

I look at it like this. If the complex is so good why not build one in Marlow or Princes Risborough?

Two years after opening the complex is still a divisive issue in Wycombe.

There may be those who think it was the best thing since sliced bread but there are many, many more people who look back and say it was a mistake. In my opinion the day the complex opened was the day Wycombe died.

What do you think?


Comments(77)

HP14 says...
7:41pm Sun 14 Mar 10

mr ivor,

its great to see you as outspoken as ever and sticking to your views.

so far you don’t have many comments on this blog. what could be wrong?

ivor says...
7:45pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Re the comments of HP14 at 7:41pm
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Thank you for your kind words of praise.
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I don't think there is anything wrong.
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I can only assume the lack of comments is because everyone supports me on this issue indeed so far nobody has been prepared to stand up and say the building of the complex was a good thing for Wycombe.

brachyura says...
7:54pm Sun 14 Mar 10

No point in commenting, people have covered this many, many times before.
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Besides judging from your previous blog you've probably deleted those posts that disagreed with you.

ivor says...
7:58pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Re the comments of brachyura at 7:54pm
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But this is the first time I have looked back at the two year point and summed things up indeed I have not written a blog on the complex for many months.
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I do not delete posts that disagree with me. That's not a fair thing to say.

Melanie1 says...
9:21pm Sun 14 Mar 10

I've noticed that this is the second time this week that you've covered an event that another blogger has already written about. Running out of ideas, hopefully!

mikesmith says...
9:30pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Up early this morning Ivor?
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Have to say I agree. I recently heard a District councillor mulling over more harebrained schemes for the town, for example re-routing Abbey Way. Where on earth can the traffic go?
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I think Ivor you have to stop concentrating on the shopping centre aspect of the western sector development. The re-siting of the bus station and library well away from the natural centre of the town are the greatest mistakes of the project.
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I also saw the 'Mayor' of Wycombe speaking recently. Hearing what I have and reading the articles on this website, I increasingly feel the district council is run by a bunch of amateurs. And no, I very much doubt this is confined to one particular political party. If anything, the lack of talent in Conservatives will be far more acute in the much less locally popular Liberals and Socialists.

lostinmarlow says...
11:02pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Well I really do have to agree that the centre was poorly designed. Why create an open spaced wind tunnel to act as a shopping precinct is beyond me. It took me a year before I went there and I could not believe what I saw. It will not belong before the centre itself dies and people migrate back to the high street.

Reading had the right idea, make the shopping mall and the high street work together, not kill each other off.

demoness says...
11:40pm Sun 14 Mar 10

You know my feelings about Eden Ivor. Making snide remarks about people obviously agreeing with you when they don't comment is baiting again.
You don't like Eden, I do.
I do not have the inclination to repeat the same old arguments to you TBH.
I hope Eden flourishes because I hate to see endeavour fail and feel sorry for the people that would lose their jobs. You want to see it fail because you can then say "I told you so."
So lets leave it at that.
In the scheme of things, I won't be losing any sleep over it. :)

J B Blackett says...
2:18am Mon 15 Mar 10

mike smith wrote:
Have to say I agree. I recently heard a District councillor mulling over more harebrained schemes for the town, for example re-routing Abbey Way. Where on earth can the traffic go?
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Not through Wycombe thank you. Why should transient traffic be permitted to divide and pollute our poor old Town with noise , congestion , smells and poisonous fumes just so some people it can get to places other than Wycombe.
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All this at the expense of people with no regard for the Town , its people, its environment or history.
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Transitting Traffic should be re-directed away from the middle of Wycombe. We'd had enough of it !

ivor says...
3:53am Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of Melanie1 at 9:21pm
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In the past others have covered the topics I have so what difference does it make?
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At lest my viewpoint is different from those of the other bloggers.
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I can assure you that I am not running out of ideas. There are so many blogs in my just bursting to get out that I could easily write two blogs a day if I wanted to.

ivor says...
3:53am Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of mikesmith at 9:30pm
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Indeed I was up early. This particular blog took me a long while to write and I wanted to get it just right.
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Thank you for agreeing with me. There are lots of people like you and me who dislike the complex. It promised such great opportunity yet turned out to be such a let down.
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As you correctly say the re-sighting of the bus station and library were indeed terrible mistakes. Of course they could always be reversed and then Wycombe would start to thrive again.
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I will be writing a blog on the other mad cap schemes shortly and that will include the re-routing of the A40.
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I think I could easily do better than any of the current people who run the powers that be. Maybe an aptitude test should be introduced to make sure that only suitable people can stand for election?

ivor says...
3:53am Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of lostinmarlow at 11:02pm
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Thank you for agreeing with me about the poor design of the centre. Wycombe deserved better.
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Isn't it ridiculous that the rain seeps in through the gaps in the covered roof. One minute you are waling along in the dry and the next the rain is coming it!
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The sooner the centrer dies the better then perhaps the infernal building can be demolished and something more fitting can be built there.
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I hear there is likely to be a slide back into recession shortly so perhaps that will signal the end of the complex?
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As you say the complex should have worked in harmony with the rest of the town but sadly it killed other parts of the town off. This very fact shows just how poorly the planning was done....

ivor says...
3:54am Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 11:40pm
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Indeed I do know your feelings about the complex and I am sure you know mine.
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From speaking to people in the town at lunchtime I feel there is tremendous dislike for the complex hence my comments. I do not intend to bait anyone just express my views and those of what I suspect are a significant part of the population.
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It would be a shame if not a tragedy to see the complex fail but sadly I fear that is what will happen.
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I respect your views on this matter.

ivor says...
3:54am Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of J B Blackett at 2:18am
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I hope to investigate the issue if traffic in Wycombe on a future blog indeed I have some pretty good ideas on what should be done.

rooneytheking says...
7:40am Mon 15 Mar 10

What a pessamistic blog!, I only hope any would-be investors in Wycombe are not reading as they would probably be put off by your very negative views.
I only recently moved to Wycombe, having lived in several other areas of the UK, and I have to say I have never lived in an area where everyone is so negative about their own town!.
I think Eden is a great place, yes there are empty shops but its actually nothing like as bad as several other towns I have visited recently.
As far as I can see, Wycombe is a town to be proud of and I only wish Ivor would be a bit more positive for once!

demoness says...
8:05am Mon 15 Mar 10

rooneytheking - sadly this is what Ivor does. He will tell you that he loves Wycombe - he loves a Wycombe circa 1973 - believe me it was nothing special.
I too, get saddened by his and other's attitudes to the town where I have spent a signficant part of my life.
However, despite what he says, Ivor is not a real person - there are too many contradictions and mistakes made about his character. He is penned by someone who has built this character up to be as objectionable and as controversial as he can.
Don't get wound up by him - it just isn't worth it.
Thank you for the praise of HW. Eden was NEVER intended to be a closed shopping mal - it was NEVER intended to have doors at both ends.
The plans were up for months so all these muppets that complain about no doors and all that boring stuff should have said something at the time.

Oh and Ivor, you have bought food at Marks and Spencers - that is an integral part of Eden and for you to say otherwise just makes you look silly.
I also don't believe your unsubstantiated claim about how many people disclike the place. Why? Because I do not believe in you and also if you had been talking to people, believe me, someone would have come on here and said so.
If I ever met a large fat man who was asking me questions about Wycombe believe me, I would be shouting it out.
But as you are the figment of someone's imagination no one is ever likely to meet you.

johnmfritz says...
9:48am Mon 15 Mar 10

I agree, the town would have been better off without it. What a waste of (our)b money!

iworld says...
10:59am Mon 15 Mar 10

Looking back two years - the new centre has bought some welcomed changes - but the question is...Does the Eden centre leave a lasting impression? Sadly ....No! Is it better than The Oracle & the Harlequin? ……..Well I am sure you know the answer by now

I personally think that the project was over budget and does not leave a lasting impression. I know people have mixed view - when I first ventured into Eden - I somewhat missed the old layout, bus station road etc -

I was more disappointed with how quickly the experience ended - yes there are some good shops - but I still believe they could have done more inside and to the surrounding areas! The paving slabs are not exactly appealing

Tesco I admit was a big obstacle and looks rather strange in the centre of Eden - which is a real big shame. To be fair to WDC - they were planning on the development back in the early 1990’s and as usual Tesco bullied the Council and the project took nearly two decades to get off the ground.

It is sad that we have scene the demise of the high street and the Chilterns - Wycombe seems to have lost its spirit and gained another. Time will tell if Eden will grow on us or sink like quick sand

miccles says...
11:42am Mon 15 Mar 10

Since "Eden" (bowing my head, saying that fantastic word) opened i must admit i could not tell you what shops are there, and what are not.
If somebody stopped me and asked me the way to House of Fraser, i could not answer that, as i would not have a clue where it is.
If i go to the town, i get what i want, and go, (high car park prices don't help).
I do agree with another post, it is designed very badly, for example, the Bus Station should have been where M&S is situated, its out of the way, especially for people who are not fully mobile.
And tesco's well, that an embarrassement, its filthy, smells and well i wouldn't buy anything there.

Plus ça change... says...
12:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

'...he loves a Wycombe circa 1973 - believe me it was nothing special.'

'Ness, you must mean circa 1793.

A totally figment-fangled blog.

demoness says...
12:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Well now iworld and Miccles here's where it gets farcicle.
You see Ivor loves the Tesco's building and thinks it is a fine example of 70's architecture.
Which shows what a sham he really is. :)

gajcook says...
3:08pm Mon 15 Mar 10

I agree with rooneytheking. Wycombe does seem to be particularly blighted with short-sighted nay-sayers, hell-bent on attacking the town, its infrastructure and the way it is run. If you don't like it then go somewhere else and let those of us that like the place get on with it in peace. Eden is considerably better than most modern shopping centres for precisely the reasons that people on here appear not to like it; it is not entirely enclosed, thereby allowing the fresh air in, and has a far more piazza-like feel to it. I much prefer to walk round Eden than the Oracle or the Harlequin, as I don't feel hemmed-in by a cheaply-constructed, faceless edifice, existing purely to feed the hideous consumer-frenzy. Eden is actually nice to walk around if you are not shopping, and that is not something you can say of most shopping centres. Why don't you all stop moaning about it and do something more useful with your lives?

J B Blackett says...
4:32pm Mon 15 Mar 10

gajcook wrote:
I agree with rooneytheking. Wycombe does seem to be particularly blighted with short-sighted nay-sayers, hell-bent on attacking the town, its infrastructure and the way it is run. If you don't like it then go somewhere else and let those of us that like the place get on with it in peace. Eden is considerably better than most modern shopping centres for precisely the reasons that people on here appear not to like it; it is not entirely enclosed, thereby allowing the fresh air in, and has a far more piazza-like feel to it. I much prefer to walk round Eden than the Oracle or the Harlequin, as I don't feel hemmed-in by a cheaply-constructed, faceless edifice, existing purely to feed the hideous consumer-frenzy. Eden is actually nice to walk around if you are not shopping, and that is not something you can say of most shopping centres. Why don't you all stop moaning about it and do something more useful with your lives?
Agreed. Wycombe people should be proud of the Town's past AND its present.

ivor says...
6:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of rooneytheking at 7:40am
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I do not think this blog is pessimistic at all indeed I think it is right on the spot when it comes to what has happened in the town. I accept there are those wearing rose tinted glasses who think I am wrong.
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I doubt if the investors will be put off by my blog. They are more likely to be put off with the high parking charges and general unwelcoming attitude to business in the town. Oh and those boarded up shops that blight the town don't help either.
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Wycombe could be a town to be proud of but I fear the developments of recent years are not up to scratch when it comes to modern expectations.

ivor says...
6:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 8:05am
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Once again you try to decry me by saying that I am not real. I can assure you that you are wrong.
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Who knows one day you may bump into me in the complex. I am sure you would enjoy hearing my views on the town and where things could be improved....

ivor says...
6:12pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of johnmfritz at 9:48am
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Thank you for agreeing with me.
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I sometimes think of all the money wasted on the complex and think how that could have been spent more wisely to the benefit of the town....

ivor says...
6:12pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of iworld at 10:59am
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As you point out the question is how does the complex measure up to our nearest competitors. Sadly I fear the answer is not favourable.
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We needed something that people would be impressed by and tell others about. Unfortunately the only thing the people tell others about is the lack of doors and leaky roof.
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Indeed it is a complex of the 1990's built ten years after it's sell by date. When the packet was opened the mould was all to apparent....
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The High Street and Chilterns have so much to offer. I think they are the future of the town....

ivor says...
6:12pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of miccles at 11:42am
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I think the bus station should have remained where it was. If it had to move then it could have gone on the site of the old gas works which would have been more central than its current location.

ivor says...
6:13pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of Plus ça change... at 12:11pm
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Whatever year you go back to the Wycombe of the past was considerably better than the Wycombe of today.
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I can assure you there is nothing fangled about this blog.

ivor says...
6:13pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 12:11pm
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There was nothing wring with 1970's architecture especially if you have learnt to appreciate it like me.
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I agree there were some bad designs too at that time but I suppose mistakes will always be made.

ivor says...
6:13pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of gajcook at 3:08pm
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The people of Wycombe speak out and criticise because they are passionate about their town and would like to see it improved. Sadly the improvements that come along seem worse that ever....

ivor says...
6:14pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of J B Blackett at 4:32pm
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If the new developments were anything to be proud of then I can assure you that I would be proud of them. Sadly what is done in the name of progress seems to be anything but....

demoness says...
7:20pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Ivor - I am not decrying you at all. I just do not believe that the character "Ivor" exists.
I have been in town enough times at lunchtime and I am sure that enough contributors on here that would attest to seeing you.
But no one ever sees anyone of your description.
There are too many inconsistencies about you for you to be real.
Sorry and all that....

ivor says...
7:25pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 7:20pm
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Well, I fear you are wrong. One day I am sure we will meet....

J B Blackett says...
7:29pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Plus ça change... wrote:
'...he loves a Wycombe circa 1973 - believe me it was nothing special.'

'Ness, you must mean circa 1793.

A totally figment-fangled blog.
Frustrated Fifty-ish Fleshy Fusty Fogy Fantasizes Futilely / Forgetfully / Forlornly For Fictionalized Former Fairyland.
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Far-Fetched Fabrications Fail ; Flounder Frequently.
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Flabbergasted Folk Fink Farcical Fallacies Far From Funny.
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Freaky Faeces ? Fact !

ivor says...
7:31pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of J B Blackett at 7:29pm
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Are you trying to make a point?

demoness says...
7:35pm Mon 15 Mar 10

ivor wrote:
Re the comments of demoness at 7:20pm ~ Well, I fear you are wrong. One day I am sure we will meet....
I am equally sure you are wrong.

ivor says...
7:37pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 7:35pm
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Only time will tell. I wonder what you would say if we did meet?
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Would you each out to shake my hand or to smack my face for what I have said?
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It could be an interesting meeting....

demoness says...
8:02pm Mon 15 Mar 10

ivor wrote:
Re the comments of demoness at 7:35pm ~ Only time will tell. I wonder what you would say if we did meet? ~ Would you each out to shake my hand or to smack my face for what I have said? ~ It could be an interesting meeting....
Firstly you cannot meet someone who does not exist.
Secondly - I would probably point and laugh and move on. :)

brachyura says...
8:04pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Maybe he is real Demoness, he did seem to get very worked up when I asked if he was the person sitting on the bench in the church on Google Street View.
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I like Wycombe, it seems to have grown in the last few years - new shopping centre, expanding university, and soon an improved Chiltern service - despite the country being in a recession - it certainly isn't dead.

ivor says...
8:07pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 8:02pm
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If I do not exist who do you think writes these blogs three times a week?
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Next time is see someone point and laugh at me I shall assume it is you!

ivor says...
8:07pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of brachyura at 8:04pm
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The retail space may have grown but how much is still left empty and decaying?

brachyura says...
8:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

wow, you must be a real joy to have at a party!

demoness says...
8:16pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Brachy - there is someone who writes his blogs but I maintain that the character Ivor Bigun is a figment of someone's imagination.

The whole deleting your comments thing is just part of the elaborate game his creator plays with us.
Brachy - google Count Arthur Strong and then come back with your opinions.. ;)

ivor says...
8:51pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of brachyura at 8:11pm
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Indeed I am the life and soul of any party.
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My wit and humour keeps the other party goers entertained if they are really lucky I will tell them about my lunchtime adventures in Wycombe!

ivor says...
8:54pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 8:16pm
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I fear you are reading more into this that there actually is.
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My blog is a reflection of my life in Wycombe. There is no fantasy involved.
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If I ever bump into you during one of my lunchtime walks rather than pointing and laughing at me perhaps you should accompany me as I walk around the town centre? Then you could see for yourself the issues that I encounter.

tom.marlow says...
10:08pm Mon 15 Mar 10

re the comments of demoness, Hades @ 8:16pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Interesting. Theres a good wiki article.
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I actually find it rather sad that someone should appear to be so obsessive about a shopping mall ffs.
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Crap, boring blog.

ivor says...
10:11pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of tom.marlow at 10:08pm
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I am sorry to hear that you did not enjoy this particular blog.
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Hopefully you will like my next blog more.

demoness says...
10:13pm Mon 15 Mar 10

tom.marlow wrote:
re the comments of demoness, Hades @ 8:16pm Mon 15 Mar 10 Interesting. Theres a good wiki article. . I actually find it rather sad that someone should appear to be so obsessive about a shopping mall ffs. . Crap, boring blog.
Little bit creepy and sad, I agree.
You read the wiki article I take it?

ivor says...
10:16pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 10:13pm
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There is nothing creepy or sad at all indeed I feel there are many people who feel the same as me in the town.
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I fear you have become obsessed with that wicker article and you can no longer see the wood for the trees. It would be interesting to know who pointed you in the direction of the article. Do you think they may be leading you on?

demoness says...
10:21pm Mon 15 Mar 10

ivor wrote:
Re the comments of demoness at 10:13pm ~ There is nothing creepy or sad at all indeed I feel there are many people who feel the same as me in the town. ~ I fear you have become obsessed with that wicker article and you can no longer see the wood for the trees. It would be interesting to know who pointed you in the direction of the article. Do you think they may be leading you on?
Why do you assume someone led me to it?
Do you not think I have a mind of my own Ivor?
You asked me this before and I told you that no one had told me anything.
I listened to an excellent radio 4 programme with Count Arthur Strong a fictional character on it who was your double in every single way. So I did some investigating and I know who your creator based you on.
Ingenious but a little OTT.

ivor says...
10:25pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 10:21pm
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Oh dear. I fear you have tripped yourself up then. For a minute I thought someone had directed you to the article as a practical joke.
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Let me assure you and all the other readers that until you mentioned the name I had never heard of the character you keep referring to.
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I am not based on anyone. What you see and read here is my good self. There is no fantasy involved.

demoness says...
10:43pm Mon 15 Mar 10

ivor wrote:
Re the comments of demoness at 10:21pm ~ Oh dear. I fear you have tripped yourself up then. For a minute I thought someone had directed you to the article as a practical joke. ~ Let me assure you and all the other readers that until you mentioned the name I had never heard of the character you keep referring to. ~ I am not based on anyone. What you see and read here is my good self. There is no fantasy involved.
Why have I tripped myself up?

You may not have heard of the name but I am sure your creator has.

ivor says...
10:59pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 10:43pm
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You have tripped yourself up because you have a misguided belief that I am not real. In order to justify you misguided thoughts you went looking for an answer and stumbled on the fictional character you mentioned. Now you think you have put two and two together and think that myself and the fictional character are alike. Unfortunately you are wrong.
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I am mystified why think think there is some sort of creator. I can assure you that there is not.

tom.marlow says...
11:28pm Mon 15 Mar 10

ivor wrote:
Re the comments of demoness at 10:43pm ~ You have tripped yourself up because you have a misguided belief that I am not real. In order to justify you misguided thoughts you went looking for an answer and stumbled on the fictional character you mentioned. Now you think you have put two and two together and think that myself and the fictional character are alike. Unfortunately you are wrong. ~ I am mystified why think think there is some sort of creator. I can assure you that there is not.
"I am mystified why think think there is some sort of creator. I can assure you that there is not.".
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Aha. An atheist then.
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Your credibility increases.
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Slightly

ivor says...
12:36am Tue 16 Mar 10

Re the comments of tom.marlow at 11:28pm
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But I wasn't talking about that sort of creator. You have taken my comment out of context!

Salopia says...
2:14am Tue 16 Mar 10

Fair enough if I had read this before I came to Wycombe I would never of come, everyone seems to hate every bit of news, the High street in wycombe wasnt amazing to begin with, so im not sure why everyone wants it back to how it was, just small shops with limited stock.

I love the eden centre, it has all the stuff you needed in the centre of town and without the dirty streets which most other parts of Wycombe has.

Eden is only one of two things Wycombe has that brings people in, the other being the University, but yet the residents of this small minded and overly bigoted.

If you pine for older times Ivor why dont you go live in West Wycombe and then you have like the old buildings and we can enjoy progress

brachyura says...
6:28am Tue 16 Mar 10

Outside Eden we have a couple of independent shops 'Kitsch Me Kwick’ and 'Clairabella', this week Iceland returns to Wycombe hardly seems to be a town on the decline.

brachyura says...
6:35am Tue 16 Mar 10

Hi D, does sound like the Count. In some ways I hope Ivor isn't real it would be sad to think that someone was this depressed about a shopping centre.
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My only doubts are his reactions to other peoples blogs, comes across as child-like.

brachyura says...
6:49am Tue 16 Mar 10

Ivor, rather than being negative how about giving us your ideas for "improving" High Wycombe?

demoness says...
7:51am Tue 16 Mar 10

Brachy - we know his ideas...
knock down Eden, bring back the bus station, put traffic back into the High Street.
In short, turn Wycombe back to the grotty hole it was circa 1977.

Salopia - if you are a student you will know what a vibrant town Wycombe is, especially at night.
Years ago it was a sleepy factory town - it had no night life to speak of and the shops were pants to be honest.
Now it has a shopping centre, a theatre, loads of pubs and restaurants, a bowling alley and cinema.
Misery Ivor would have you believe that no one uses these things and no one likes them because he judges the whole of the poplace on what he likes and dislikes. We know different. And you are right - he is damaging the town he insists he loves by constantly writing these negative, may I say churlish, blogs.
On the one hand he says he wants to make Wycombe the biggest and the best town in Bucks. Then he moans about non townspeople coming in and using the facalities. The man is a mass of contradictions which is why nothing he says can be taken with any credibility because he will change his mind in an instance.
Ignore him - he is not real.

J B Blackett says...
5:50pm Tue 16 Mar 10

ivor wrote:
Re the comments of J B Blackett at 2:18am
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I hope to investigate the issue if traffic in Wycombe on a future blog indeed I have some pretty good ideas on what should be done.
Perhaps someone would put your name forward with these ideas of yours.
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Unfortunately I don't think (and I could be wrong) that you have any expertise or experience in the areas of
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Traffic Flow and Control .
Road Construction in Built up areas .
Queuing Theory .
Logistics .
Operational Research .
Information Theory ( incorporating
Stabilization methods inc Negative Feed-back Methods) .
Travel and Commuting Movement Procedures .
Population and Demographic Prediction Models .
Congestion Management .
Chaos Theory .
Cybernetics .
Traffic Management Systems .
Infrastructure Planning .
etc etc
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I could be wrong ; I wonder what you could say to confound all the experts over the years
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Mind how you go ! Bon voyage.

Abdul Muhammed says...
7:16pm Tue 16 Mar 10

Hi Ivor. What a miserable blog! I'll give this blog 2/10.

OllieNewbury says...
7:28pm Tue 16 Mar 10

The first blog I read after a short break is this drivel...
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So I take it every March 13 you'll write the same rubbish? As people have said above, a visitor reading your blog will think all Wycombe residents are miserable old coots like you. Well we're not!

galbers_1892 says...
10:18pm Tue 16 Mar 10

OllieNewbury wrote:
The first blog I read after a short break is this drivel... - So I take it every March 13 you'll write the same rubbish? As people have said above, a visitor reading your blog will think all Wycombe residents are miserable old coots like you. Well we're not!
Well said OllieNewbury!

I have sat and read your blogs with great interest over the past month or so and not one has been positive. As said above, anyone would think we have nothing to be grateful for!

As I’m sure everyone is aware, some things are in need of improving. For example, transport links and certainly one way to improve Eden would be to create more activities after all the shops close at 8pm. However, it is all well and good sitting there at your keyboard moaning (I recognise the irony!) while doing nothing about it. Being a planner, I know that developments in reality aren't all going to be wonderful. However, I think that Eden has improved the town and I certainly think for the younger demographic things are considerably better.

After all, they always say children are the future…

faisal mahmood says...
3:37pm Thu 18 Mar 10

ivor

wycombe is getting better now than before get with the time.

ivor says...
1:44am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of Salopia at 2:14am on Tue 16 Mar 10
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Before the complex at least the rest of the town was not full of boarded up shops.
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Indeed it would be nice to live in West Wycombe. Perhaps the main town should look to West Wycombe as a role model?

ivor says...
1:45am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of brachyura at 6:28am on Tue 16 Mar 10
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Just two independent shops? The town should be full of them!

ivor says...
1:45am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of brachyura at 6:35am on Tue 16 Mar 10
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Once again you seem to criticise me.
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I can assure you that I am real.

ivor says...
1:45am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of brachyura at 6:49am on Tue 16 Mar 10
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Yes, that would be an excellent idea. I may well write a blog on how to improve Wycombe.

ivor says...
1:46am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of demoness at 7:51am on Tue 16 Mar 10
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Wouldn't it be nice to restore Wycombe to it's former glory? Yes, an excellent idea.
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I would rather there were factories that give people jobs that boarded up shops.

ivor says...
1:46am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of J B Blackett at 5:50pm on Tue 16 Mar 10
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I would be pleased to show the powers the be how things should be run. I think they could learn a lot from me.

ivor says...
1:47am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of Abdul Muhammed at 7:16pm on Tue 16 Mar 10
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I am sorry to hear you do not rate this blog very highly.
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I am sure you will like my next blog more.

ivor says...
1:47am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 7:28pm on Tue 16 Mar 10
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What drivel? I see nothing wrong with this blog.
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We can't run away from what has happened can we? I am sure lots of people feel the same as me.

ivor says...
1:47am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of OllieNewbury at 7:28pm on Tue 16 Mar 10
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What drivel? I see nothing wrong with this blog.
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We can't run away from what has happened can we? I am sure lots of people feel the same as me.

ivor says...
1:47am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of galbers_1892 at 10:18pm on Tue 16 Mar 10
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Unless we confront the problems nothing will ever be done about them.
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Do you think we should sweep the issues under the carpet?
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Properly planned developments should enhance a town. What we have in Wycombe is a text book example of how not to do things.

ivor says...
1:48am Fri 19 Mar 10

Re the comments of faisal mahmood at 3:37pm
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I disagree that Wycombe is better than before. There may be slightly fewer empty shops than a year ago but it is only a slight improvement.


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