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Confused about our sexuality

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This story has all the elements of our muddled stance on sexuality.

Do we know what’s intentional, what’s vulgar, what constitutes flirting and what is just naïve?

I want to start with some Lauryn Hill lyrics from her genius 1998 album: ‘Showing off your a** because you’re thinking it's a trend…’ Please keep those in your mind while you read this.

Thongs came about I think to give a seamless, bulk-free look to tight clothing. They are not necessary underwear. They’ve been created to provide an aesthetic ‘finish’ to women’s derrieres. It’s possible to get other things to wear. The range is now vast. Including undies that are themselves vast.

I wear thongs. They’re not the most comfortable underwear going. I wear them for the reasons given above. As does probably every other female. We’d sooner be wearing those over-the-waist tummy-warmers available in Amersham market.

There is a handful of reasons why women wear these slicing, nylon/lycra/silk items and I don’t think I need go into them here.

The reported story involves a mother, a buggy, her exposed undies and a nearby man. In broad daylight. In the Eden shopping centre. In December.

In the first line of the linked article, the reporter makes it clear that the woman who exposed her thong was a ‘young mum’. Why are we being told this? Is it relevant? Does it matter that she’s young? Or a mum? Couldn’t she be cited as a ‘new mum’? Or just a woman? Isn’t this also a kind of titillation? Won’t some find this image appealing?

My first point is that the fashion for wearing exposed thongs is old (I knew it in West London more than a decade ago.) Girls know full well when they have underwear showing. You can’t not know. Same way the boys today know their boxers are on display.

I had to distract my daughter from a visitor’s very exposed thong in the British Museum recently as she too talked to her young one in the buggy while her hubby looked happily down at his family members.

Most of the contents of thongs are highly unappealing. And wearing one in December smacks of sheer bad planning.

Secondly, what’s dirty about the man? The fact that he took photos (totally idiotic)? Offered to help with the shopping? Looked at all? What man wouldn’t look? How can you not see when all is on display?

And if the photos are dirty, does this imply the woman is dirty? Are photos implicitly dirty? Or just photos of uncovered bottoms?

Is the human form dirty? Or just the female form? At this stage, I myself become confused.

The woman is painted as an innocent victim of a lewd act.

She was struggling with shopping. She was a ‘new mum’ who ‘had recently given birth’ (I thought that’s what a new mum was…) Is it possible that she got attention from the wrong sort of man and was suddenly (in her carefully put together jeans and thong outfit?) outraged. An extreme point of view perhaps.

And who discovered that the man had taken five photos? Did the public see him taking photos? Did the woman? Did she not object to one, but thought five was taking a liberty?

What are we to make of stories like this? The press offer us a warped picture of both victim and perpetrator. And I’m astounded that the phrase ‘dirty old man’ is still in use. I feel like I’m back in the 70s.

One comment on this article by Anna is spot on: ‘I actually consider the wearing of exposed thongs in public to be 'outraging public decency' too!’ Here, here.

I don’t want to see male or female body parts on display in public – Figleaves clad or not. Not a crack or a cleave or crevice I’m afraid. And I question why anyone would want to show – free of charge – their own body parts to anyone but a chosen partner in private.

This isn’t a fairly reported piece of news either. With the words ‘young mum’ appearing in the title, ‘dirty old man’ and ‘dirty photos’ cropping up too, the article smacks more of a piece written to tickle the fancy of like-minded men and send thong-wearing women into a frenzied, hair-tearing outrage that men can be so despicable.

I just don’t know.

And the truth is we don’t know. The young woman had children which denotes she was sexually active. Aware to a greater or lesser degree of how men and women behave in that setting.

The man was ‘dependent’ on incapacity benefit – £100 a week.

The particular details the report gives are not relevant to the story but more like a peep show.

It leaves a bad taste in the mouth and I’m left wondering who this article satisfies.

The £15 victim surcharge is an interesting point to end with. It will at least give the young mum funds to buy good, comfortable underwear – I recommend thermals for December myself.

See: http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/9105862.Charity_worker_convicted_for__dirty__photos

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Comments(12)

ImpeturbableLawrence says...
8:13am Tue 28 Jun 11

Thank you Rebecca for an honest, intelligent, insightful piece of commonsense.

ImpeturbableLawrence says...
8:14am Tue 28 Jun 11

(Why is it that we are one of the most highly CCTV-surveyed nations in the world but if an individual takes a photo - not necessarily a photo of an exposed body - then this is nowadays said to be 'harassment'?)

ImpeturbableLawrence says...
9:55am Tue 28 Jun 11

Please excuse the address on my last two posts - I have been using it on a frivolous and silly blog elsewhere here.

Rebecca Leon says...
11:04am Tue 28 Jun 11

I thought the address was quite apt considering the topic!
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Yes, I also wondered whether the woman would take exception to the many CCTVs which also recorded her exposed undies. There are people behind those cameras...
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Photographing in public? It's hardly worth the effort. Not even buildings. Any photographer shooting buildings must be casing it for possible places to plant a device...
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And then there's the possibility of some unknown making a scene because you accidentally got them in the photo. Especially a police person...

KentP says...
4:45pm Tue 28 Jun 11

maybe this is the reason ivor stopped his 'buildings of wycombe' blogs
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wait a second, he supposedly walks with a limp too...

Rebecca Leon says...
4:53pm Tue 28 Jun 11

A man with a limp, an underdressed mum... it has the makings of a classic Benny Hill show.
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Actually I don't want to be flippant about this. Which is why I wrote the piece.
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There is a comical side but the serious side is that a man has been taken to court, called a name by a judge (a 'pillar of society'), fined and named in the press for this misdemeanor.

sai-diva says...
1:37pm Thu 30 Jun 11

Surely it's just plain impolite to photograph someone without asking first?, and as he didn't ask,doesn't that indicates that he knew what he was doing wasn't right.Don't know if it warrants a trip to court tho', a written warning, and threat of 'being taken into consideration' if he were to be caught again would suffice.
Just a thought.

demoness the second says...
5:47pm Thu 30 Jun 11

I thought he was wrong. I thought he was creepy and I am aghast that once again the woman is taking the blame.
Lets put this into proportion. She was accidently showing her underwear off - no different from getting your skirt caught in your knickers when you have just been to the loo in a public place. She bent over and her thong was exposed. How is this any different? She did not deserve to have some letch taking photos of her and no doubt posting them all over the internet when he got home.
He IS a dirty old man and he did deserve all that was thrown at him and how any woman can say otherwise is beyond me.

ImpeturbableLawrence says...
9:39am Fri 1 Jul 11

I don't think Rebecca has actually blamed the woman – it just seems a bit of an extreme response to something in human nature.

Rebecca Leon says...
4:49pm Sun 3 Jul 11

Demoness: just a general question. Is a woman ever to blame?
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You thought he was 'creepy'? Were you there?
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If you've read my piece through I'm not blaming the woman, I'm asking some questions.
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Would you be unaware if your midriff and undies were on display (in December mind)?
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Would you mind? As a mother of a small child, knowing you'll have to bend over the buggy frequently, wouldn't you make sure you were decent?
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I'm not blaming her, just asking some questions and wondering how 'innocent' the woman and her thong exhibition were.
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There's a good piece in the Sunday Times today... Rob Liddle I think (Comment)
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To use his phraseology. The 'maid' in question was not a virgin recently freed from a tower, unprepared, into the big bad world with no knowledge of it.

demoness the second says...
11:48pm Sun 3 Jul 11

Inference is a funny thing. You can say whatever you like and then deny that you were blaming anyone.
Firstly let me correct myself for the sake of accuracy.
His actions were creepy. I do not know of any man of my acquaintance who would take a picture of a woman bending over her buggy showing her thong. I have no idea whether he is creepy or not. I am sure he is a perfect gentleman....
Secondly, as any busy Mum will tell you ( but clearly Rebecca you will refute this:) ) sometimes when you have tiny children you just grab the first thing that comes on and do not think that perhaps it is not the suitable thing to be wearing.

I do not understand why you are asking these questions. The man was WRONG. He took advantage of a situation for his own dubious pleasure and as such, as far as I am concerned, is indefensible.

As for your last comment, well the inference here is definitely that she "deserved it".
No woman deserves to have a photograph taken of her exposing her underwear without her strict permission first.
Suddenly it is a "thong exhibition" again inferring that she did it on purpose.
Are you sure you don't write or at least contribute to the Daily Mail?

Rebecca Leon says...
10:17am Mon 4 Jul 11

Demoness: I stand firmly by my viewpoint on this.
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An exposed thong has long been a fashion, old hat as it may now be.
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I'm not blaming the woman for the chap having taken photos, but asking what sort of response she expected from following this fashion.
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You infer one thing, others infer something else.
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And the way we understand something is coloured by who we are, what we've lived, our politics, our parents blah, blah...
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The man was wrong, we both agree on that. I'm questioning the way it's been reported too. It feels like a literary peep at the girls undies secretly too.
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And I repeat my question to you: is a woman ever to blame for what happens to her? Is a man?
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No, I don't write for the Mail - not even accidentally without knowing it...


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