I thought Justin Bieber was a woman... (From Bucks Free Press)

Sorry - how old are you?
It is great that you like all sorts of music from across the years - nothing wrong with that.
BUT to dismiss modern music andthen admit on here that you like Rolf Harris! I suppose you think Tie me Kangeroo down sport is a classic!
R and B has it's place. Personally I quite like a lot of it. Rap is actually clever - have you bothered listening to the lyrics of Gold digger by Kanye West ( you might have to google him they don't tend to play him on Magic FM) - really funny and witty.
Lady gaga is very clever - okay maybe you don't like her but she plays great pop music.
Tell me - do you have any friends under the age of 60? - Actually scratch that - Tom is heading that way and I am sure he listens to modern stuff.
There is good music in ALL generations.
I have come to the conclusion that sadly you appear to like middle of the road music if you say you like Buble - who really is the Val Donnigan of today.
And that makes me sad.

I listened to that radio show too! Made me appreciate 60's music more- can hear it on youtube as well!! I'm not a big rap fan too- my brothers are though! Not sure about Rolf Harris lol though wikipedia says he had an Xmas number 1!! Better or worse than Rage Against the Macine!!

I meant Rage against the Machine!!

Abdul Muhammed wrote:
I listened to that radio show too! Made me appreciate 60's music more- can hear it on youtube as well!! I'm not a big rap fan too- my brothers are though! Not sure about Rolf Harris lol though wikipedia says he had an Xmas number 1!! Better or worse than Rage Against the Macine!!

My cats singing was better than that.
Rolf Harris made a poignant song called "Two little boys".
Other than that I would hardly call him an iconic figure of musical marvellousness.

I sort of go along with the 60's stuff. Trouble is with music is - it has context. When one first hears a piece is how in subsequent days one reflects upon it. Happy days bring with them happy memories and often music is part of it.
For my part, I like music with ...Bite. A musician performing to the best of his/her/their ability. I could include everything from Beethoven to the Beatles; each would merit a tale in the telling of when first heard.

Having said all that - If there is anything recorded that can beat -


Carlos Santana in full flow.
Bob Dylan in full song
Pink Floyd in full aray
etc....

Demoness, if I have offended you in any way, shape or form then I do apologise. This is only a light-hearted collection of my thoughts on what I think makes a good song, and if my thoughts are a little old fashioned then so be it.

Ollie - it really worries me that you have such a dated attitude on life. None of my business really but FFS you are only 19.
Everyone is different but I would love to see some more open mindedness from one so young and intelligent.

But you asked about music..
It is hard to say where I am because I love so many different things - yes including Lady Gaga! I have all sorts of music in my collection - from Rhianna to the White Album. From Abba to the Killers.
You see this is why I HATE people being so dismissive about modern music - there is a lot of good stuff out there if you open your ears.
Have you heard of Nick Cave? Bliddy music perfection and really strong ( if not weird at times) lyrics.
But there is some dire older stuff too - anything with Jim Reeves has to go.

you'll like what's on my MP3 player then demoness! Lol!
I agree with Ollie in some respects that modern music seems to lack something that older music has! not saying that there is anything wrong with modern music. there will always be songs that won't appeal in past and current music!
I don't mind any music as long as in my personal view it is listenable!
I like people like Katie Melua and keane who are excellent and don't mind the odd eminem track!
the main music I like is Status quo (thanks to the argos ad!) in my mid teens! before that all I listened to was Chas'n'dave.

Don't you find that there are some songs that you hear and you are instantly whisked back to a certain time and place in your life.
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For me it's Sade, Terence Trent Darby, Beverley Craven, T'Pau (China in Your Hand) and Eurythmics, which all immediately transport me back to the late 80's. Ah bliss!

demoness wrote:
Ollie - it really worries me that you have such a dated attitude on life. None of my business really but FFS you are only 19.
Everyone is different but I would love to see some more open mindedness from one so young and intelligent.

But you asked about music..
It is hard to say where I am because I love so many different things - yes including Lady Gaga! I have all sorts of music in my collection - from Rhianna to the White Album. From Abba to the Killers.
You see this is why I HATE people being so dismissive about modern music - there is a lot of good stuff out there if you open your ears.
Have you heard of Nick Cave? Bliddy music perfection and really strong ( if not weird at times) lyrics.
But there is some dire older stuff too - anything with Jim Reeves has to go.

I'm sorry, but music, like art is subjective- everyone will have an opinion on a song, and their negative opinion of a recent song does not indicate a dated attitude. I could apply the same logic and deduce that because you enjoy modern music, you must be a forward thinker and therefore be in favour of the proposed high speed railway...
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But you're not- because musical tastes have nothing to do with your view on the world in general. A fondness for 1940s music does not indicate a longing to return to WW2. If I had a dated attitude to life as you say, I'd join Ivor and his gang campaigning for Wycombe to be rebuilt as it was in 1970, bus station and all.

Forward thinking is one thing Ollie - the rap ing of the environment, the destruction of natural habitats another.
So you are saying that enviromentalists are not forward thinkers?
Facile argument and cannot be compared.

You are putting words into my mouth- I am saying that you cannot judge a person or that person's outlook on life by the music they listen to.

No I wasn't . You implied that I was not forward thinking because I did not want the high speed rail link and somehow made a tenuous link to my taste in music.
I would say that musical tastes have a lot to do with how you view the world - indeed are a reflection on how you see things. I like a mixture of both modern and new which shows that I can embrace new concepts and am not averse to opening my mind to new ideas.
My complete distaste of the rail link is not so much the rail itself but the fact that they are going to plough through greenbelt and AONB. That is criminal and wrong.

Oh and I also think it is arrogant to dismiss modern music in the way that you have - and quite frankly IMO you have made yourself look dated and old fashioned.
My grown up children also have a broad range of music tastes but they also accept that there is some darn good modern stuff as well as some of the golden oldies - there is room for both.

Demoness- there is no right or wrong type of music, only what we ourselves find appealing. You, nor I nor anyone has the right to criticise what type of music anyone listens to, neither do we have the right to judge somone based on the music he or she enjoys, nor do we have the right to insult or attack somone whose musical tastes do not match our own. You, I'm afraid, are guilty of all three.

Good point Paradise and yes i agree BUT I take huge issue with what Ollie said in his blog - and therefore I am more that entitled to defend that view.
And I stand by it - a 19 year old man saying that modern music is rubbish and Rolf Harris is good - has to be brought to account. I find it incredible that he says he feels alienated by todays music and have a mental image of some sort of Adrian Mole type character wearing a jumper that his mum knitted him.

People are always wittering on about free speech on this site. Well I am exercising my right to free speech.There is so much good music around nowadays and clearly Ollie is not aware of this - this makes me sad.

paradise.relost wrote:
Demoness- there is no right or wrong type of music, only what we ourselves find appealing. You, nor I nor anyone has the right to criticise what type of music anyone listens to, neither do we have the right to judge somone based on the music he or she enjoys, nor do we have the right to insult or attack somone whose musical tastes do not match our own. You, I'm afraid, are guilty of all three.

If we all thought that way nobody would be correcting people who wrongly assume boy and girl bands and music have any place in the same universe and Oasis would be applauded for churning out third-rate John Lennon B sides. There's 'taste' and there's just plain flat out being 'wrong'.
Anyone reading this is free to list the bands and singers they like and I will happily give them an approval rating and grade them accordingly so they may discover if they are on the path to musical enlightenment or just polluting the musical airwaves banging out unspeakable drivel on their stereos.

Demoness – how CAN you be so sure of yourself? I really need some lessons. I know I am going to regret getting involved but what DID Ollie do to upset you? You seem v hostile towards him lately and I miss his input on Ivor’s blogs.
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Should you really judge him on his musical tastes? If you consider he likes middle of the road music – what is sad about that? You seem to read what you want to read - did he really say that all modern music was rubbish and he loves Rolf Harris?
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I'm with paradise.relost. Sorry.
*runs and hides*

It is sad Morag because he is 19 years old - I guess I am a rebel. I like some middle of the road music but not all.
I really do not believe that Ollie is avoiding Ivor's blogs cos of me. He is far too mature for that - ( I am not being sarcastic).
To be honest, as a fellow poster I have a lot of time for Ollie - BUT I will challenge him if I think he is talking carp.
Just as people challenge me.
And he is talking carp on this blog. Well in my opinion... but clearly I am in the minority. :)

And how is it that people can be darn right rude and personal to Ivor ( yes me included) and no one says a word.
Say something about someone who is as opinionated as Ivor and OMG you are in the wrong. LOL.

OllieNewbury wrote:

demoness wrote:
Ollie - it really worries me that you have such a dated attitude on life. None of my business really but FFS you are only 19.
Everyone is different but I would love to see some more open mindedness from one so young and intelligent.

But you asked about music..
It is hard to say where I am because I love so many different things - yes including Lady Gaga! I have all sorts of music in my collection - from Rhianna to the White Album. From Abba to the Killers.
You see this is why I HATE people being so dismissive about modern music - there is a lot of good stuff out there if you open your ears.
Have you heard of Nick Cave? Bliddy music perfection and really strong ( if not weird at times) lyrics.
But there is some dire older stuff too - anything with Jim Reeves has to go.

I'm sorry, but music, like art is subjective- everyone will have an opinion on a song, and their negative opinion of a recent song does not indicate a dated attitude. I could apply the same logic and deduce that because you enjoy modern music, you must be a forward thinker and therefore be in favour of the proposed high speed railway...
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But you're not- because musical tastes have nothing to do with your view on the world in general. A fondness for 1940s music does not indicate a longing to return to WW2. If I had a dated attitude to life as you say, I'd join Ivor and his gang campaigning for Wycombe to be rebuilt as it was in 1970, bus station and all.

When two tribes go to war....

demoness wrote:
It is sad Morag because he is 19 years old - I guess I am a rebel. I like some middle of the road music but not all.
I really do not believe that Ollie is avoiding Ivor's blogs cos of me. He is far too mature for that - ( I am not being sarcastic).
To be honest, as a fellow poster I have a lot of time for Ollie - BUT I will challenge him if I think he is talking carp.
Just as people challenge me.
And he is talking carp on this blog. Well in my opinion... but clearly I am in the minority. :)

in World War Two the average age of the combat soldier was twenty four.

In Vietnam it was nineteen, n-n-n-n-n-n-nineteen

demoness wrote:
Sorry - how old are you? It is great that you like all sorts of music from across the years - nothing wrong with that. BUT to dismiss modern music andthen admit on here that you like Rolf Harris! I suppose you think Tie me Kangeroo down sport is a classic! R and B has it's place. Personally I quite like a lot of it. Rap is actually clever - have you bothered listening to the lyrics of Gold digger by Kanye West ( you might have to google him they don't tend to play him on Magic FM) - really funny and witty. Lady gaga is very clever - okay maybe you don't like her but she plays great pop music. Tell me - do you have any friends under the age of 60? - Actually scratch that - Tom is heading that way and I am sure he listens to modern stuff. There is good music in ALL generations. I have come to the conclusion that sadly you appear to like middle of the road music if you say you like Buble - who really is the Val Donnigan of today. And that makes me sad.

I agree with you Demoness; I'm afraid I don't see the point of this blog, Ollie. Though I don't nescessarily agree that if someone likes music from a certain era they are 'dated'. Ollie, you seem to assert that you are not a conformist, and yet...there is a tad of superiority and pomposity in this blog I do not have the time to explain as fully as I'd like.
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On a side note I must admit to liking Lady Gaga, much to many people's horror. I do think her music videos take feminism back a bit though and wish she'd put more thought into them, but the woman knows how to make a good tune that I suspect will one day be a soundtrack to the period we're currently living in. Though sadly there aren't enough drag queens around these parts.
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ps. Rolf Harris may be forgiven for his collaboration with Kate Bush? (and Animal Hospital?)

Despite the resistance, I suspect that Oliver's Army is here to stay, not Going Underground

Well, for what its worth, at the moment I am mostly listening to the Pink Fairies live at the first glastonbury, U Roy - Dread ina Babylon(that the one that has the huge bong with clouds of smoke on the original vinyl album, the picture of which seems to have been miniaturised on the CD), Gorillaz - Plastic Beach (best album of 2010) and Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros - Street Core.
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I seem to give an awful lot of money to ITunes these days.
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I recently bought a download of David Crosby's If Only I could Remember My Name then was shocked to find it was on the Vatican's list of top 10 albums of all time. They really should stick to the god bothering. Mind you I suppose it adds credence to thesis of the David Peel and the Lower East Side Band's album "The pope smokes dope" which according to wikipedia was banned in more countries than any other album. No-one can remember whether its any good or not.
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Maybe I'm getting old but Rolf Harris doesnt seem to irritate me as much as he used to.

I too have a soft spot for Rolf Harris (a local lad who lives in Bray).
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For 3 (non-musical) reasons really :
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1. He seems like a genuine sort of person who does a lot for charities - local and national.
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2. He seems to have an affinity with all sorts of people and knows his art work and history.
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3. He reminds me nostalgically of when I was younger and used to drink a bit. I was forever shouting out his name down lavatory bowls.
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Regards

Edna_Welthorpe wrote:

demoness wrote: Sorry - how old are you? It is great that you like all sorts of music from across the years - nothing wrong with that. BUT to dismiss modern music andthen admit on here that you like Rolf Harris! I suppose you think Tie me Kangeroo down sport is a classic! R and B has it's place. Personally I quite like a lot of it. Rap is actually clever - have you bothered listening to the lyrics of Gold digger by Kanye West ( you might have to google him they don't tend to play him on Magic FM) - really funny and witty. Lady gaga is very clever - okay maybe you don't like her but she plays great pop music. Tell me - do you have any friends under the age of 60? - Actually scratch that - Tom is heading that way and I am sure he listens to modern stuff. There is good music in ALL generations. I have come to the conclusion that sadly you appear to like middle of the road music if you say you like Buble - who really is the Val Donnigan of today. And that makes me sad.

I agree with you Demoness; I'm afraid I don't see the point of this blog, Ollie. Though I don't nescessarily agree that if someone likes music from a certain era they are 'dated'. Ollie, you seem to assert that you are not a conformist, and yet...there is a tad of superiority and pomposity in this blog I do not have the time to explain as fully as I'd like. . On a side note I must admit to liking Lady Gaga, much to many people's horror. I do think her music videos take feminism back a bit though and wish she'd put more thought into them, but the woman knows how to make a good tune that I suspect will one day be a soundtrack to the period we're currently living in. Though sadly there aren't enough drag queens around these parts. . ps. Rolf Harris may be forgiven for his collaboration with Kate Bush? (and Animal Hospital?)

Edna, you are singling Ollie out for "a tad of superiority and pomposity"?! Hmm. If I had more time there is quite a lot I would have to say about that..........

J B Blackett wrote:
I too have a soft spot for Rolf Harris (a local lad who lives in Bray).
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For 3 (non-musical) reasons really :
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1. He seems like a genuine sort of person who does a lot for charities - local and national.
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2. He seems to have an affinity with all sorts of people and knows his art work and history.
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3. He reminds me nostalgically of when I was younger and used to drink a bit. I was forever shouting out his name down lavatory bowls.
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Regards

I forgot to mention this rather sad tale about Rolf Harris that happened quite recently.
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Mr Harris called in to the Pizza Hut late one evening to get a quick snack on his way back from a charity event / gig and parked up in a Maidenhead backstreet.
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When he eventually left the Hut and made his way back to his car he remember he had placed his expensive and almost irreplaceable piano accordion exposed on the back seat of his vehicle.
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So he started to trot briskly back to the car and as it came into view , he immediately glimpsed the tell-tale glass shards glistening in the street lights on the ground towards the rear of his car.
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Once he got there and he peered apprehensively through the broken side window.
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And sure enough , some rotten swine had thrown two more accordions onto the rear seat of his car on top of his own accordion.
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A sign of the dreadful times we live in , I'm afraid. Especially in Maidenhead.
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Regards
.PS It's true I tell you . Honest !

Well I agree with her - he does come across as very pompous for one so young.
So I guess that makes me superior and pompous too. ah well. :)

only to be expected from a chelsea supporter

tom.marlow wrote:
only to be expected from a chelsea supporter

PAH!

I am a rubbish chelsea supporter truth be told.:)

Edna_Welthorpe wrote:

demoness wrote:
Sorry - how old are you? It is great that you like all sorts of music from across the years - nothing wrong with that. BUT to dismiss modern music andthen admit on here that you like Rolf Harris! I suppose you think Tie me Kangeroo down sport is a classic! R and B has it's place. Personally I quite like a lot of it. Rap is actually clever - have you bothered listening to the lyrics of Gold digger by Kanye West ( you might have to google him they don't tend to play him on Magic FM) - really funny and witty. Lady gaga is very clever - okay maybe you don't like her but she plays great pop music. Tell me - do you have any friends under the age of 60? - Actually scratch that - Tom is heading that way and I am sure he listens to modern stuff. There is good music in ALL generations. I have come to the conclusion that sadly you appear to like middle of the road music if you say you like Buble - who really is the Val Donnigan of today. And that makes me sad.

I agree with you Demoness; I'm afraid I don't see the point of this blog, Ollie. Though I don't nescessarily agree that if someone likes music from a certain era they are 'dated'. Ollie, you seem to assert that you are not a conformist, and yet...there is a tad of superiority and pomposity in this blog I do not have the time to explain as fully as I'd like.
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On a side note I must admit to liking Lady Gaga, much to many people's horror. I do think her music videos take feminism back a bit though and wish she'd put more thought into them, but the woman knows how to make a good tune that I suspect will one day be a soundtrack to the period we're currently living in. Though sadly there aren't enough drag queens around these parts.
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ps. Rolf Harris may be forgiven for his collaboration with Kate Bush? (and Animal Hospital?)

So I hope you appreciate these words in the blog text: "So what is the point of this blog? I don’t know- I’ll be honest."

I'm not commenting on Ivor's blogs because I said I wouldn't. And because I've had enough of his moans about his intermittent walking disorder, his weight, how life is so unfair, the bus station... it brings out the worst in people.

Ollie, I feel a bit of an affinity with you. Not only are we the two youngest (as far as I know, unless Ivor is aging incredibly badly), but the two of us seem oddly old before our time in various ways.
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I have to admit to liking older music - What A Wonderful World is amazing, as is 'I Gotta Be Me' by Sammy Davis Junior. My favourite artist ever, although not as 'old' as them is Meat Loaf - my friends bought me two tickets to see him live for my 17th birthday. I took my Dad as the only person I knew who also liked Meat Loaf, and it rates in the top 5 best times ever for me.
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BUT you can't write off modern music. Lady Gaga is fantastic - she is my age, and completely insane, but she writes catchy music.
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I got into the Killers when they were just a bit of an underground indie band - I saw the Bravery live - they have died out now, but I thought they were good. Music comes and goes - there are hundreds of songs from the 50's, 60's and onwards that we have forgotten, but that doesn't mean they were rubbish.
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I am of the opinion that every song means something to someone - even if it's just the singer and their mum.
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As you said, there is music I like, there is music I don't like. But for goodness' sake, Ollie, you're only 19. Take it from someone only a little older than you - older music is fantastic, but never close your ears to something new.
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Having said that, Justin Bieber is, in fact, new levels of terrible.

demoness wrote:
Well I agree with her - he does come across as very pompous for one so young. So I guess that makes me superior and pompous too. ah well. :)

Why does that make you superior and pompous? You have mis-read me D - I certainly wasn't referring to you. I would never call you pompous (nor would I call you a rebel because you are not keen on middle of the road music!).
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I apologise for the suggestion that you were in any way responsible for Ollie no longer commenting on Ivor's blogs. He obviously has a far more sensible reason!
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I still agree with Paradise.relost's post though.

Help me.
What's a Justin Bieber?
Is it as carp (thanks Demoness) as a Michael Bubbley?

Morag wrote:

demoness wrote: Well I agree with her - he does come across as very pompous for one so young. So I guess that makes me superior and pompous too. ah well. :)

Why does that make you superior and pompous? You have mis-read me D - I certainly wasn't referring to you. I would never call you pompous (nor would I call you a rebel because you are not keen on middle of the road music!). ~ I apologise for the suggestion that you were in any way responsible for Ollie no longer commenting on Ivor's blogs. He obviously has a far more sensible reason! ~ I still agree with Paradise.relost's post though.

no worries Morag.
I apparently suffer from pathological anger so that would possibly explain it. :))

Sam Cooke - My favourite artist!

Eris wrote:
Ollie, I feel a bit of an affinity with you. Not only are we the two youngest (as far as I know, unless Ivor is aging incredibly badly), but the two of us seem oddly old before our time in various ways.
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I have to admit to liking older music - What A Wonderful World is amazing, as is 'I Gotta Be Me' by Sammy Davis Junior. My favourite artist ever, although not as 'old' as them is Meat Loaf - my friends bought me two tickets to see him live for my 17th birthday. I took my Dad as the only person I knew who also liked Meat Loaf, and it rates in the top 5 best times ever for me.
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BUT you can't write off modern music. Lady Gaga is fantastic - she is my age, and completely insane, but she writes catchy music.
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I got into the Killers when they were just a bit of an underground indie band - I saw the Bravery live - they have died out now, but I thought they were good. Music comes and goes - there are hundreds of songs from the 50's, 60's and onwards that we have forgotten, but that doesn't mean they were rubbish.
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I am of the opinion that every song means something to someone - even if it's just the singer and their mum.
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As you said, there is music I like, there is music I don't like. But for goodness' sake, Ollie, you're only 19. Take it from someone only a little older than you - older music is fantastic, but never close your ears to something new.
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Having said that, Justin Bieber is, in fact, new levels of terrible.

There's a quote by George Orwell to the effect that good writing defends itself by surviving - if it does not then it is indefensible (deliberate double meaning). This remark would apply to music as well and it also means that what we conceive of as 'older' music is in fact the best of the past - long forgotten hits still seems fantastically (to use a 60's word) evocative to me but they don't have the vital oomph to have stayed in the public consciousness till now.