Councillor worried about apathy over local plan

Alan Turner

Alan Turner

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A COUNCILLOR has expressed his concern at the amount of people who do not seem interested in where homes will be built in the district within the next 17 years.

Members of the public are currently being asked to express their opinion on the Wycombe District Council Local Plan, which needs to highlight areas for business and housing growth up to 2031.

Princes Risborough has been earmarked in the plan's leaflet, which has been sent out to households within the district. Proposals include 450, 1,000 or 2,500 homes.

The town's councillors on Tuesday night expressed their concern that many residents are not even aware of the plan.

Cllr Alan Turner said: "We can't take people by the hand and say, 'Come on, look at this.'

"An awful lot has been done to publicise it. If people can't be bothered to look at what comes through the letterbox- it is not that difficult."

The town council held a public meeting in the community centre, which attracted 300 people, and WDC's meeting at The Princes Centre had 200 people attend.

But the town has a population of around 8,000 and councillors said only a minority seems to be responding at the moment.

Cllr Turner said some people just cannot be bothered and added: "Do we pander to people who are really so apathetic and who are shovelling all the effort to someone else- it really does worry me."

The council has a meeting on April 3 with WDC's head of planning, Penelope Tollitt- a day before the consultation ends.

Cllr Gary Hall said: "I am very concerned we are not hearing enough from our residents.

"We are hearing a lot from a minority of people. The bulk of the residents we are not hearing anything from.

"In the Summerley Road area neighbours aren't even aware they could have a main road coming through there.

"These changes could happen. So many people are sleepwalking into this without even realising."

But Cllr Will Streule said the news does seem to be starting to reach people, but as a council they need to make sure they represent the town's opinion.

He said: "The town is dead against any of these options. No-one has said to me they moved to Risborough to see it double in size."

However Cllr Turner said: "I am getting the opposite. It strengthens the point we need to have our meeting before we make a decision."

Cllr Bill Bendyshe-Brown said he has had only negative feedback regarding the options, other than slow growth, which is already planned at 25 homes a year.

The council agreed to meet with the head of planning before they made a formal decision on their response.

The council later agreed to look into the costs of setting up a neighbourhood plan. A neighbourhood development plan establishes general planning policies for the development and use of land in a neighbourhood.

Having one would give the community a greater say on the local plan.

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3:00pm Wed 26 Mar 14

MunsterX says...

Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do! MunsterX
  • Score: 22

3:33pm Wed 26 Mar 14

motco says...

I would be sorry to see Princes Risborough joined to either High Wycombe or Aylesbury by ribbon development. It is currently a pleasant small town with a very village-like atmosphere developed over years of slow organic growth. To burst a doubling of the population size or even 'only' a fifty percent increase, would destroy the place as it currently is. One day in the foreseeable future, if the planners and central government have their way, this area will be subsumed into the suburbs of London just as Uxbridge has, and Hillingdon, and other hitherto pleasant places now bearing the burden of Greater London with all that it implies. Have some foresight councillors, before it is too late!
I would be sorry to see Princes Risborough joined to either High Wycombe or Aylesbury by ribbon development. It is currently a pleasant small town with a very village-like atmosphere developed over years of slow organic growth. To burst a doubling of the population size or even 'only' a fifty percent increase, would destroy the place as it currently is. One day in the foreseeable future, if the planners and central government have their way, this area will be subsumed into the suburbs of London just as Uxbridge has, and Hillingdon, and other hitherto pleasant places now bearing the burden of Greater London with all that it implies. Have some foresight councillors, before it is too late! motco
  • Score: 15

4:02pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

As long as they get the infrastructure right, great idea.

So when are the next reservoirs going to be built and what is going to be done with all the waste water (etc)??? Where are the schools and hospitals for all these extra people???

Let's get the infrastructure sorted for those already here, then build more before building more new homes.

I feel as Munster X says "...that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee."

In fact I'd say it's already a done deal.
As long as they get the infrastructure right, great idea. So when are the next reservoirs going to be built and what is going to be done with all the waste water (etc)??? Where are the schools and hospitals for all these extra people??? Let's get the infrastructure sorted for those already here, then build more before building more new homes. I feel as Munster X says "...that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee." In fact I'd say it's already a done deal. Mr Totterdge Hill
  • Score: 13

4:07pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Victoria K says...

The reason we have not commented or given our opinion as yet is that most of the residents living on Hammersley Lane do not get the Bucks Free press and did not receive The Local Plan it didn't get posted to us by Royal Mail apparently !!! So unless we are informed that something is going to happen how will we know ! We found out by accident when a resident in Manor Farm told us 3 weeks ago only 4 weeks before the deadline , we had a meeting on the 21st to get more information. But they will not extend the deadline to help the residents who got info too late !
Also I have had a lot of friends complain that the website does not work properly to give their opinion ...Surprise !
The reason we have not commented or given our opinion as yet is that most of the residents living on Hammersley Lane do not get the Bucks Free press and did not receive The Local Plan it didn't get posted to us by Royal Mail apparently !!! So unless we are informed that something is going to happen how will we know ! We found out by accident when a resident in Manor Farm told us 3 weeks ago only 4 weeks before the deadline , we had a meeting on the 21st to get more information. But they will not extend the deadline to help the residents who got info too late ! Also I have had a lot of friends complain that the website does not work properly to give their opinion ...Surprise ! Victoria K
  • Score: 13

4:27pm Wed 26 Mar 14

s6blr says...

So the Councillor is all worried about where to build new homes eh?

WHY NOT GET WORRIED about Hospitals, Schools, Police, Fire Crews FIRST then worry about creating a space for the cretins to make a fast quid off our backs?

Oh, I forgot, this is the council who couldn't give a stuff what those that elected them think. Never mind.
So the Councillor is all worried about where to build new homes eh? WHY NOT GET WORRIED about Hospitals, Schools, Police, Fire Crews FIRST then worry about creating a space for the cretins to make a fast quid off our backs? Oh, I forgot, this is the council who couldn't give a stuff what those that elected them think. Never mind. s6blr
  • Score: 13

5:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

MunsterX wrote:
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do![/p][/quote]Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 13

5:43pm Wed 26 Mar 14

MunsterX says...

Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post.

You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on!
Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post. You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on! MunsterX
  • Score: 6

6:03pm Wed 26 Mar 14

motco says...

In my limited experience of consultations, the proposal tendered is usually outrageous and is followed by an outcry by the public. The proposal is then amended to seem more moderate but, in reality, is only what the council wanted in the first place but didn't say. Their tactic is to overstate their intentions, cut back to their 'real' plan whilst seeming to listen, and then to go ahead when the voters think they've made a difference. The plan that comes to reality would have been opposed by the public if it were proposed straight out, but as it seems to be a compromise, we naive voters swallow it as a victory.
In my limited experience of consultations, the proposal tendered is usually outrageous and is followed by an outcry by the public. The proposal is then amended to seem more moderate but, in reality, is only what the council wanted in the first place but didn't say. Their tactic is to overstate their intentions, cut back to their 'real' plan whilst seeming to listen, and then to go ahead when the voters think they've made a difference. The plan that comes to reality would have been opposed by the public if it were proposed straight out, but as it seems to be a compromise, we naive voters swallow it as a victory. motco
  • Score: 9

7:01pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.
That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected.
Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do![/p][/quote]Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.[/p][/quote]That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected. Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system? Mr Totterdge Hill
  • Score: 6

7:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

sammytr says...

Getting back to the matter in hand of the report....in particular this quote from Alan Turner:

"An awful lot has been done to publicise it. If people can't be bothered to look at what comes through the letterbox- it is not that difficult."

A leaflet and Crosstalk through the door is one thing, but people reading what comes through is another - I would suggest Mr Turner and co get out on the street and be more pro-active in seeking opinions - it's as though they're thinking our job is done, we can sit back and it's now up to the public. If it's such a big deal for the council they need to be doing more.
Getting back to the matter in hand of the report....in particular this quote from Alan Turner: "An awful lot has been done to publicise it. If people can't be bothered to look at what comes through the letterbox- it is not that difficult." A leaflet and Crosstalk through the door is one thing, but people reading what comes through is another - I would suggest Mr Turner and co get out on the street and be more pro-active in seeking opinions - it's as though they're thinking our job is done, we can sit back and it's now up to the public. If it's such a big deal for the council they need to be doing more. sammytr
  • Score: 6

7:37am Thu 27 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

MunsterX wrote:
Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post.

You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on!
'We' are now back to a 5-10 year business as usual cycle? you sound as if you are on the inside - perhaps a WDC Cllr? and in regards to power struggles - it is my experience that there are always power struggles within the Conservative Group, even now..
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post. You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on![/p][/quote]'We' are now back to a 5-10 year business as usual cycle? you sound as if you are on the inside - perhaps a WDC Cllr? and in regards to power struggles - it is my experience that there are always power struggles within the Conservative Group, even now.. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 2

7:41am Thu 27 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

Mr Totterdge Hill wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.
That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected.
Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?
You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Totterdge Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do![/p][/quote]Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.[/p][/quote]That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected. Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?[/p][/quote]You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 1

10:26am Thu 27 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
Mr Totterdge Hill wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.
That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected.
Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?
You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.
Which one can it be?

https://councillors.
wycombe.gov.uk/mgCom
mitteeDetails.aspx?I
D=122

Membership
Cllr Mrs Julia Adey
Cllr Chaudhary Ditta
Cllr Sebert Graham
Cllr Clive Harriss
Cllr Alan Hill (Vice Chairman)
Cllr Arif Hussain
Cllr David Johncock (Chairman)
Cllr Neil Marshall
Cllr Hugh McCarthy
Cllr Ian McEnnis
Cllr Roger Metcalfe
Cllr Mrs Dory Morgan
Cllr Brian Pollock JP
Cllr Mrs Jean Teesdale
Cllr Alan Turner
Cllr Paul Turner
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Totterdge Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do![/p][/quote]Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.[/p][/quote]That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected. Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?[/p][/quote]You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.[/p][/quote]Which one can it be? https://councillors. wycombe.gov.uk/mgCom mitteeDetails.aspx?I D=122 Membership Cllr Mrs Julia Adey Cllr Chaudhary Ditta Cllr Sebert Graham Cllr Clive Harriss Cllr Alan Hill (Vice Chairman) Cllr Arif Hussain Cllr David Johncock (Chairman) Cllr Neil Marshall Cllr Hugh McCarthy Cllr Ian McEnnis Cllr Roger Metcalfe Cllr Mrs Dory Morgan Cllr Brian Pollock JP Cllr Mrs Jean Teesdale Cllr Alan Turner Cllr Paul Turner Undercover Euro Yob
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10:29am Thu 27 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Cllr Bill Bendyshe-Brown said ...


I thought we'd heard the last of fictitious characters - has the Bucks Free Press returned to its underhand and unprofessional practice of inventing people with absurd names like the one above or Wally Woof in connection with Princes Risborough Council affairs?
[italic] Cllr Bill Bendyshe-Brown said ...[/italic] I thought we'd heard the last of fictitious characters - has the Bucks Free Press returned to its underhand and unprofessional practice of inventing people with absurd names like the one above or Wally Woof in connection with Princes Risborough Council affairs? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

10:37am Thu 27 Mar 14

CatherineAB says...

We are aware that the powers-that-be will do what they want, anyway. Planning, hospitals, whatever.... we are "consulted" to give an appearance that our opinions count, but - what the heck - they go ahead with their plans, irrespective of our wishes, so why express them?
We are aware that the powers-that-be will do what they want, anyway. Planning, hospitals, whatever.... we are "consulted" to give an appearance that our opinions count, but - what the heck - they go ahead with their plans, irrespective of our wishes, so why express them? CatherineAB
  • Score: 6

1:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

MunsterX wrote:
Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post.

You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on!
WHO is 'MunsterX'?
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post. You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on![/p][/quote]WHO is 'MunsterX'? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post.

You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on!
WHO is 'MunsterX'?
A very good question indeed....
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post. You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on![/p][/quote]WHO is 'MunsterX'?[/p][/quote]A very good question indeed.... Darren Hayday
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1:45pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post.

You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on!
WHO is 'MunsterX'?
A very good question indeed....
Why haven't you 'outed' them yet Darren?
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Darren, the Booker Stadium project came at the time of a power struggle within WDC; we are now back into a 5-10 year "business as usual cycle" at WDC where the rules of play are as I stated in my post. You may well still be nursing a little erect!on about the Booker fiasco Darren, but the rest of us have moved on![/p][/quote]WHO is 'MunsterX'?[/p][/quote]A very good question indeed....[/p][/quote]Why haven't you 'outed' them yet Darren? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

(You can't out me as I am a dog.)
(You can't out me as I am a dog.) Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

4:47pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Scarletto says...

It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc.
Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages.
Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many.
But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them.
Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many.
Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people.
There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there.
Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though.
Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now.
Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.
It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc. Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages. Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many. But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them. Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many. Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people. There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there. Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though. Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now. Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics. Scarletto
  • Score: 6

5:03pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BOOKERite says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
Mr Totterdge Hill wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.
That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected.
Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?
You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.
What planet are you on Mr. Hayday? Most people were definitely not in favour of the stadium, we were fighting against the stadium first and foremost. Perhaps that explains why you did not stay and fight because you thought it might damage your 'political career'.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Totterdge Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do![/p][/quote]Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.[/p][/quote]That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected. Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?[/p][/quote]You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on Mr. Hayday? Most people were definitely not in favour of the stadium, we were fighting against the stadium first and foremost. Perhaps that explains why you did not stay and fight because you thought it might damage your 'political career'. BOOKERite
  • Score: 6

7:15pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

Scarletto wrote:
It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc.
Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages.
Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many.
But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them.
Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many.
Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people.
There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there.
Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though.
Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now.
Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.
Cllr Julia Wassel to the rescue again - hurrah!, pity that she chooses to deceive everyone in pretending that she’s a champion of the people rather than just caring about getting elected (for whichever party she chooses to stand for..) – I can’t wait for the moment that I hear you want to come and join me with the Independents Julia.
[quote][p][bold]Scarletto[/bold] wrote: It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc. Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages. Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many. But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them. Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many. Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people. There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there. Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though. Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now. Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.[/p][/quote]Cllr Julia Wassel to the rescue again - hurrah!, pity that she chooses to deceive everyone in pretending that she’s a champion of the people rather than just caring about getting elected (for whichever party she chooses to stand for..) – I can’t wait for the moment that I hear you want to come and join me with the Independents Julia. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

BOOKERite wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
Mr Totterdge Hill wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest!

Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee.

Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little.

But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do!
Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.
That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected.
Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?
You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.
What planet are you on Mr. Hayday? Most people were definitely not in favour of the stadium, we were fighting against the stadium first and foremost. Perhaps that explains why you did not stay and fight because you thought it might damage your 'political career'.
I did stay and fight it actually. I was always fighting against it right up to when it got kicked out (thankfully).
[quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Totterdge Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Well you see Alan, there isn't much point in showing an interest! Why? Well all those living in Wycombe Town have been taking it up the tail-pipe from WDC's Planning Department for many years, and all know that once something has been publicised by WDC then it is going to get **** well get built no matter what anyone has to say against it; meaningful opinions and well structured objections do nothing to prevent a 10-1 whitewash at Planning Committee. Meanwhile, those living in the outskirts of Wycombe in Penn, Tylers Green, Hazlemere, Hughenden etc. are showing an interest since their property interests are about to take a 20% hit as they merge into the Wycombe metropolis. Our middle-class friends from the outskirts will soon learn the rules of the game and quieten down a little. But Alan, thanks for expressing your concerns, you sound soooooo genuine, you really do![/p][/quote]Well the Booker Stadium was backed by WDC and that didn’t get built. What surprises me is that at least one of the WDC Planning Committee members has a job who advises developers on how to get around the planning system. Now that sounds very dodgy to me.[/p][/quote]That wasn't just about housing... there was a private stadium to be built involving public funds, and because the current private stadium has been neglected. Who has the "dodgy job" of advising developers on how to get around the planning system?[/p][/quote]You are not quite correct. Most people were in favour of the stadium but it was all the housing that would have come with it that the majority of people were against. I'm not stating who the 'dodgy Cllr' is, it’s not the first time that he/she been caught out. I'm just surprises that he/she is allowed back in to be a Cllr and even more shocked that he/she is allowed to sit on a planning committee. Something is not right.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on Mr. Hayday? Most people were definitely not in favour of the stadium, we were fighting against the stadium first and foremost. Perhaps that explains why you did not stay and fight because you thought it might damage your 'political career'.[/p][/quote]I did stay and fight it actually. I was always fighting against it right up to when it got kicked out (thankfully). Darren Hayday
  • Score: 1

5:56am Fri 28 Mar 14

MunsterX says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
Scarletto wrote:
It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc.
Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages.
Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many.
But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them.
Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many.
Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people.
There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there.
Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though.
Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now.
Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.
Cllr Julia Wassel to the rescue again - hurrah!, pity that she chooses to deceive everyone in pretending that she’s a champion of the people rather than just caring about getting elected (for whichever party she chooses to stand for..) – I can’t wait for the moment that I hear you want to come and join me with the Independents Julia.
Darren, are you the guy that has been following Jules around on her many cigarette breaks and collecting her discarded butts?
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarletto[/bold] wrote: It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc. Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages. Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many. But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them. Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many. Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people. There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there. Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though. Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now. Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.[/p][/quote]Cllr Julia Wassel to the rescue again - hurrah!, pity that she chooses to deceive everyone in pretending that she’s a champion of the people rather than just caring about getting elected (for whichever party she chooses to stand for..) – I can’t wait for the moment that I hear you want to come and join me with the Independents Julia.[/p][/quote]Darren, are you the guy that has been following Jules around on her many cigarette breaks and collecting her discarded butts? MunsterX
  • Score: 2

9:21am Fri 28 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

MunsterX wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
Scarletto wrote:
It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc.
Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages.
Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many.
But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them.
Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many.
Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people.
There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there.
Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though.
Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now.
Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.
Cllr Julia Wassel to the rescue again - hurrah!, pity that she chooses to deceive everyone in pretending that she’s a champion of the people rather than just caring about getting elected (for whichever party she chooses to stand for..) – I can’t wait for the moment that I hear you want to come and join me with the Independents Julia.
Darren, are you the guy that has been following Jules around on her many cigarette breaks and collecting her discarded butts?
Wow - you actually called me by my first name - I'm flattered. You normally address me by my surname. My smoking days are long gone (thank God!)
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarletto[/bold] wrote: It's a thousand pities most residents take little or no interest in major local topics - closure of A&E, potholes, Local Plan, town cetre development etc. etc. Very few buy the BFP now and circulation has dropped to about 15,000 a week I read in the paper last week. It used to be about double that years ago. More should start buying it if they care about their town and villages. Very few have signed protest petitions on some of these various topics too. Apathy by many. But in Hammersley Lane the residents society had leafleted houses about the Local Plan weeks ago. Wycombe District Council also delivered a 12 page booklet, with maps and proposals, about the plans to all concerned recently and told us all that the consultation period was running until 4th of April. Residents therefore should not have been taken by surprise by the possibilities of houses being built near them. Part of the road is ripe for some development as it's already got houses down one side for almost all of its length. Councillor David Shakespeare, who is one of the longest serving district and county councillors, also lives in the road and is well known to many. Victoria K's comments here might mislead some people. There was a well publicised public village meeting in T. Green and Penn too about two weeks ago but I was sad to see so few there. Overall it looks likely that Penn and Tylers Green will have to take a share of new houses for the district. Parts of it are already connected to High Wycombe and other areas in Wycombe are already seeing new houses and offices built. Best not to be sometimes a bit NIMBYish like Councillor Darren Hayday who should know better again. At least he cares though. Aylesbury, for instance, has had lots of new development in recent years. Wycome unfortunately has it take its share now. Sadly it will put pressure on roads, doctors etc but that's the crunch we all suffer from at certain times. Times are hard! More should get involved or at least take an interest in their area's topics.[/p][/quote]Cllr Julia Wassel to the rescue again - hurrah!, pity that she chooses to deceive everyone in pretending that she’s a champion of the people rather than just caring about getting elected (for whichever party she chooses to stand for..) – I can’t wait for the moment that I hear you want to come and join me with the Independents Julia.[/p][/quote]Darren, are you the guy that has been following Jules around on her many cigarette breaks and collecting her discarded butts?[/p][/quote]Wow - you actually called me by my first name - I'm flattered. You normally address me by my surname. My smoking days are long gone (thank God!) Darren Hayday
  • Score: 1

10:50am Fri 28 Mar 14

Scarletto says...

For the umpteenth time I wish to declare to Darren Hayday that I'm not Julia Wassall! On my old mum and dad's grave, I swear it...
For the umpteenth time I wish to declare to Darren Hayday that I'm not Julia Wassall! On my old mum and dad's grave, I swear it... Scarletto
  • Score: 0

10:55am Fri 28 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

Scarletto wrote:
For the umpteenth time I wish to declare to Darren Hayday that I'm not Julia Wassall! On my old mum and dad's grave, I swear it...
Who are you then? Unmask yourself and I am 99.9999% sure that you are Julia Wassall.
[quote][p][bold]Scarletto[/bold] wrote: For the umpteenth time I wish to declare to Darren Hayday that I'm not Julia Wassall! On my old mum and dad's grave, I swear it...[/p][/quote]Who are you then? Unmask yourself and I am 99.9999% sure that you are Julia Wassall. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

I am a dog.
I am a dog. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

2:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Just thought of a joke -

'I couldn't care less about all this apathy!'
Just thought of a joke - 'I couldn't care less about all this apathy!' Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 3

2:19pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

A few years ago Scarletto attacked me personally (and some other people if I remember) calling us names you would not expect from a woman or a local councillor. Scarletto also claimed to have worked as a career or in some sector close to the care sector dealing with the victims of mental health problems.
A few years ago Scarletto attacked me personally (and some other people if I remember) calling us names you would not expect from a woman or a local councillor. Scarletto also claimed to have worked as a career or in some sector close to the care sector dealing with the victims of mental health problems. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

2:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Does this sound like her Darren?
Does this sound like her Darren? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Hands up all normal people (and dogs) out there who are not Julia Wassell.
Hands up all normal people (and dogs) out there who are not Julia Wassell. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

2:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

motco wrote:
I would be sorry to see Princes Risborough joined to either High Wycombe or Aylesbury by ribbon development. It is currently a pleasant small town with a very village-like atmosphere developed over years of slow organic growth. To burst a doubling of the population size or even 'only' a fifty percent increase, would destroy the place as it currently is. One day in the foreseeable future, if the planners and central government have their way, this area will be subsumed into the suburbs of London just as Uxbridge has, and Hillingdon, and other hitherto pleasant places now bearing the burden of Greater London with all that it implies. Have some foresight councillors, before it is too late!
I agree with you but think your worst prognostications will come to pass - there is no plan from national or international leaders to limit the number of people on the planet though and as more and more of us arrive we will have to live somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]motco[/bold] wrote: I would be sorry to see Princes Risborough joined to either High Wycombe or Aylesbury by ribbon development. It is currently a pleasant small town with a very village-like atmosphere developed over years of slow organic growth. To burst a doubling of the population size or even 'only' a fifty percent increase, would destroy the place as it currently is. One day in the foreseeable future, if the planners and central government have their way, this area will be subsumed into the suburbs of London just as Uxbridge has, and Hillingdon, and other hitherto pleasant places now bearing the burden of Greater London with all that it implies. Have some foresight councillors, before it is too late![/p][/quote]I agree with you but think your worst prognostications will come to pass - there is no plan from national or international leaders to limit the number of people on the planet though and as more and more of us arrive we will have to live somewhere. Undercover Euro Yob
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4:34pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
A few years ago Scarletto attacked me personally (and some other people if I remember) calling us names you would not expect from a woman or a local councillor. Scarletto also claimed to have worked as a career or in some sector close to the care sector dealing with the victims of mental health problems.
This is what Julia Wassel does for a living, she runs an organisation that does the very same.. funny that..
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: A few years ago Scarletto attacked me personally (and some other people if I remember) calling us names you would not expect from a woman or a local councillor. Scarletto also claimed to have worked as a career or in some sector close to the care sector dealing with the victims of mental health problems.[/p][/quote]This is what Julia Wassel does for a living, she runs an organisation that does the very same.. funny that.. Darren Hayday
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10:14pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Check this out:

http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/yoursay/
opinion/yourletters/
9647556.It_reflects_
a_society_in_rebelli
on_against_God/

Search 'Scarletto'
Check this out: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/yoursay/ opinion/yourletters/ 9647556.It_reflects_ a_society_in_rebelli on_against_God/ Search 'Scarletto' Undercover Euro Yob
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7:42am Sat 29 Mar 14

Yorkshiretyke1 says...

Of course infrastructure is a big issue. However the most important problem with development in PR is that, as WDC acknowledges, most of the residents of any new houses in the area will commute, either by road or rail, to London and the Thames Valley.

This will only add to the chaos on the roads which has already been made worse by building thousands of houses in Aylesbury with no thought to transport links. Excepting, of course, a new railway stop.
Of course infrastructure is a big issue. However the most important problem with development in PR is that, as WDC acknowledges, most of the residents of any new houses in the area will commute, either by road or rail, to London and the Thames Valley. This will only add to the chaos on the roads which has already been made worse by building thousands of houses in Aylesbury with no thought to transport links. Excepting, of course, a new railway stop. Yorkshiretyke1
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3:27pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Check this out:

http://www.bucksfree

press.co.uk/yoursay/

opinion/yourletters/

9647556.It_reflects_

a_society_in_rebelli

on_against_God/

Search 'Scarletto'
Just read it and yes that is her line of work. Funny also that after handing in her petition for the A&E she started being all nice and warm to Anne Eden - trying to suck up to her to get a contract or job.....
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Check this out: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/yoursay/ opinion/yourletters/ 9647556.It_reflects_ a_society_in_rebelli on_against_God/ Search 'Scarletto'[/p][/quote]Just read it and yes that is her line of work. Funny also that after handing in her petition for the A&E she started being all nice and warm to Anne Eden - trying to suck up to her to get a contract or job..... Darren Hayday
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9:12am Sun 30 Mar 14

MunsterX says...

Batting for the other side?
Batting for the other side? MunsterX
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12:17pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Monty Cristo says...

If we need so many new houses, why are so many up for sale at the moment? Why aren't we in a position where there are hardly any advertised? If it because people can't afford them, how will anyone afford new homes, which are always far more expensive than second hand housing?
And if immigration was curbed, would there be so much need to built on the green belt? I simply do not believe that the influx of Eastern Europeans is balanced by UK citizens going the other way. Thus, to a certain extent, we may be building property on the green belt to accommodate economic migrants (maybe not in the new houses built there, but perhaps n the older stock, thu making demand higher up the chain for the newer stock).
It's a vicious circle; "build it and they will come" - from outside the area - but they will largely commute to London too. That is simply NOT what we need, since the infrastructure cannot cope. Far better to build new garden cities (which to be fair is also proposed), and limit new build in places like this which imply cannot cope with what we have now, let alone more homes..
If we need so many new houses, why are so many up for sale at the moment? Why aren't we in a position where there are hardly any advertised? If it because people can't afford them, how will anyone afford new homes, which are always far more expensive than second hand housing? And if immigration was curbed, would there be so much need to built on the green belt? I simply do not believe that the influx of Eastern Europeans is balanced by UK citizens going the other way. Thus, to a certain extent, we may be building property on the green belt to accommodate economic migrants (maybe not in the new houses built there, but perhaps n the older stock, thu making demand higher up the chain for the newer stock). It's a vicious circle; "build it and they will come" - from outside the area - but they will largely commute to London too. That is simply NOT what we need, since the infrastructure cannot cope. Far better to build new garden cities (which to be fair is also proposed), and limit new build in places like this which imply cannot cope with what we have now, let alone more homes.. Monty Cristo
  • Score: 3

6:42am Mon 31 Mar 14

MunsterX says...

Monte Cristo, you make an accurate assessment of the housing market. Successful professional couples should be able to set cash aside over a 10 year period with a view to acquiring a 2000sqft detached family home in a couple of jumps; the market still pedalling new-build plasterboard detached homes at 1500sqft max for £450k in Wycombe - the correct price point is an extra 500sqft for half that price.
Most of the partners/owners of estate agencies in Wycombe are bedded into this rotten market for the long term: they are running with a core staff whose jobs are safe - most of the staff are good salesmen in their thirties/forties who can survive on lower earnings (rich mummy/daddy or delaying starting a family etc..) - the owners go sponsor a football team /rugby team/atheltics event and everyone pretends its not really happening.
There will come a point when agents will force vendors to put prices right down, else refuse to market the property. The market is seeing some of that right now, but it needs to pick up.
The Canadian dude at BoE can do us all a favour by slapping up interest rates right now.
Monte Cristo, you make an accurate assessment of the housing market. Successful professional couples should be able to set cash aside over a 10 year period with a view to acquiring a 2000sqft detached family home in a couple of jumps; the market still pedalling new-build plasterboard detached homes at 1500sqft max for £450k in Wycombe - the correct price point is an extra 500sqft for half that price. Most of the partners/owners of estate agencies in Wycombe are bedded into this rotten market for the long term: they are running with a core staff whose jobs are safe - most of the staff are good salesmen in their thirties/forties who can survive on lower earnings (rich mummy/daddy or delaying starting a family etc..) - the owners go sponsor a football team /rugby team/atheltics event and everyone pretends its not really happening. There will come a point when agents will force vendors to put prices right down, else refuse to market the property. The market is seeing some of that right now, but it needs to pick up. The Canadian dude at BoE can do us all a favour by slapping up interest rates right now. MunsterX
  • Score: 1

1:33am Tue 1 Apr 14

J B Blackett says...

Monty Cristo wrote:
If we need so many new houses, why are so many up for sale at the moment? Why aren't we in a position where there are hardly any advertised? If it because people can't afford them, how will anyone afford new homes, which are always far more expensive than second hand housing?
And if immigration was curbed, would there be so much need to built on the green belt? I simply do not believe that the influx of Eastern Europeans is balanced by UK citizens going the other way. Thus, to a certain extent, we may be building property on the green belt to accommodate economic migrants (maybe not in the new houses built there, but perhaps n the older stock, thu making demand higher up the chain for the newer stock).
It's a vicious circle; "build it and they will come" - from outside the area - but they will largely commute to London too. That is simply NOT what we need, since the infrastructure cannot cope. Far better to build new garden cities (which to be fair is also proposed), and limit new build in places like this which imply cannot cope with what we have now, let alone more homes..
The human race is currently attempting to suffocate / stifle or otherwise eradicate all oxygen-breathing organisms on this beautiful planet - the only body that supports 'Life' in this part of the galaxy.
.
Whether it's by overpopulation , poisoning of the atmosphere , avaricious rapid over-exploitation of its resources , nuclear/chemical/bio
logical warfare etc etc will not matter in the end as everything will be permanently killed off.
.
So all talk of HS2 , infrastructures , 10-year plans , garden cities etc will end up as irrelevant , as long as the current people in power continue down their same stupid ,short-sighted self-absorbed destructive path.
.
We are governed by liars , cheats and charlatans , we're afraid. And we are afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Monty Cristo[/bold] wrote: If we need so many new houses, why are so many up for sale at the moment? Why aren't we in a position where there are hardly any advertised? If it because people can't afford them, how will anyone afford new homes, which are always far more expensive than second hand housing? And if immigration was curbed, would there be so much need to built on the green belt? I simply do not believe that the influx of Eastern Europeans is balanced by UK citizens going the other way. Thus, to a certain extent, we may be building property on the green belt to accommodate economic migrants (maybe not in the new houses built there, but perhaps n the older stock, thu making demand higher up the chain for the newer stock). It's a vicious circle; "build it and they will come" - from outside the area - but they will largely commute to London too. That is simply NOT what we need, since the infrastructure cannot cope. Far better to build new garden cities (which to be fair is also proposed), and limit new build in places like this which imply cannot cope with what we have now, let alone more homes..[/p][/quote]The human race is currently attempting to suffocate / stifle or otherwise eradicate all oxygen-breathing organisms on this beautiful planet - the only body that supports 'Life' in this part of the galaxy. . Whether it's by overpopulation , poisoning of the atmosphere , avaricious rapid over-exploitation of its resources , nuclear/chemical/bio logical warfare etc etc will not matter in the end as everything will be permanently killed off. . So all talk of HS2 , infrastructures , 10-year plans , garden cities etc will end up as irrelevant , as long as the current people in power continue down their same stupid ,short-sighted self-absorbed destructive path. . We are governed by liars , cheats and charlatans , we're afraid. And we are afraid. J B Blackett
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Wed 2 Apr 14

gpn01 says...

Going back to the original point......that of resident apathy....It's a pity that WDC hasn't better aligned the consultation with the upcoming district council elections in May. That would then allow prospective councillors to actively campaign on the topic of housing provision and what the electorate wants as part of the Local Plan.
Going back to the original point......that of resident apathy....It's a pity that WDC hasn't better aligned the consultation with the upcoming district council elections in May. That would then allow prospective councillors to actively campaign on the topic of housing provision and what the electorate wants as part of the Local Plan. gpn01
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