Top cop backs Police Crime Commissioner role

Supt Gilbert Houalla

Thames Valley Police Crime Commissioner Anthony Stansfeld

First published in News Bucks Free Press: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A TOP cop has backed the new Police Crime Commissioner role to be a success despite a poor election turnout - providing the incumbent puts in a hard graft.

Superintendent Gilbert Houalla has welcomed Anthony Stansfeld, the Conservative candidate who was elected as the Thames Valley’s inaugural Police and Crime Commissioner last Friday.

The Wycombe commander says, while accountability is nothing new, anyone that helps police engage with the community is a good idea - but he believes the role will only be as good as the person in it.

Supt Houalla said: “Having democratic accountability is a good thing.

“We, as the police, are already accountable; to the Home Office, the Home Secretary, they are elected, the Prime Minister, they’re elected.

"We’re accountable to the community, audits, our MPs, local councillors, so the concept of accountability in policing is not new.

“The PCC is another person we are now accountable to who is democratically elected, and that person’s mandate is to link to my community and give me feedback from it – That can only a good thing.

“I honestly think the role will be what that person makes it out to be - if they work hard, link well with the community and if they add a value, then next time people will go out to vote.

“If they prove to be irrelevant, people probably won’t vote. But I look forward to working with anyone that can enhance my link with the community, as you’ve seen [from Operation Ribbon] you need them.”

But Supt Houalla launched a scathing attack on residents who stayed away from the polling stations after turnout in the Thames Valley region was a paltry 13.3 percent.

He said: “It didn’t get a good turnout but that’s nothing new, we live in two worlds; one where people are dying to have the right to vote and then another where people cannot be bothered.

“It’s a mixture of things; apathy, it’s a new role and maybe people don’t understand it, but I watch TV and see people in Syria, Egypt etc who are giving their lives for the right to vote, and then I look at my own country – be it France or in Britain – where people feel like they don’t need to.”

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3:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Bill Taxpayer says...

Supt Hooha may well have his scathing attack on people who didn't vote, but I for one didn't hear anything from any of the prospective candidates telling me who they were, what they stood for, what they would do for me and my area, or why I should vote for them.

If they couldn't be bothered to canvass my vote, why should I give it?
Supt Hooha may well have his scathing attack on people who didn't vote, but I for one didn't hear anything from any of the prospective candidates telling me who they were, what they stood for, what they would do for me and my area, or why I should vote for them. If they couldn't be bothered to canvass my vote, why should I give it? Bill Taxpayer
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4:48pm Wed 21 Nov 12

J B Blackett says...

It's 'democracy', Jim - but not of a kind yet encountered or known to the human race.
It's 'democracy', Jim - but not of a kind yet encountered or known to the human race. J B Blackett
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5:00pm Wed 21 Nov 12

J B Blackett says...

Next time everybody will be compelled / forced / abused / insulted to go to vote for even more total remote mysterious strangers , who nobody has ever heard of, never likely to meet and who will disappear back into outer space leaving no trace - except for the large hole in various tax-payers' bank accounts.
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They may originate from distant galaxies - but the Superintendent is probably deluding himself in pretending he's heard of any of them before.
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Possibly alien lifeforms from Alpha Centauri.
Next time everybody will be compelled / forced / abused / insulted to go to vote for even more total remote mysterious strangers , who nobody has ever heard of, never likely to meet and who will disappear back into outer space leaving no trace - except for the large hole in various tax-payers' bank accounts. . They may originate from distant galaxies - but the Superintendent is probably deluding himself in pretending he's heard of any of them before. . Possibly alien lifeforms from Alpha Centauri. J B Blackett
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5:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

BOOKERite says...

What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for.

And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.
What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC. BOOKERite
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8:48pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Wycombe Elector says...

BOOKERite wrote:
What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.
Why do you regret voting for Steve Baker? He's done an outstanding job for Wycombe and the country.
[quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.[/p][/quote]Why do you regret voting for Steve Baker? He's done an outstanding job for Wycombe and the country. Wycombe Elector
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8:54pm Wed 21 Nov 12

BOOKERite says...

Wycombe Elector wrote:
BOOKERite wrote:
What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.
Why do you regret voting for Steve Baker? He's done an outstanding job for Wycombe and the country.
Who are you, his agent?
[quote][p][bold]Wycombe Elector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.[/p][/quote]Why do you regret voting for Steve Baker? He's done an outstanding job for Wycombe and the country.[/p][/quote]Who are you, his agent? BOOKERite
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9:09pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Judge 2 says...

I think Steve Baker is an excellent MP. Someone who expresses the interest of his voters and doesn't tow party line.

p.s. And I'm not his agent!
I think Steve Baker is an excellent MP. Someone who expresses the interest of his voters and doesn't tow party line. p.s. And I'm not his agent! Judge 2
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9:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Wycombe Elector says...

BOOKERite wrote:
Wycombe Elector wrote:
BOOKERite wrote: What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.
Why do you regret voting for Steve Baker? He's done an outstanding job for Wycombe and the country.
Who are you, his agent?
A normal unbiased voter in Wycombe, expressing a view that many people share.
[quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wycombe Elector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant man Mr Houalla is, how dare he call us all apathetic. I have always used my vote both in national and local elections, I have sometimes regretted that vote, as in the case our current MP. But I chose not to vote for a PCC because I heard or read nothing that led me to believe that another level of Police hierarchy was worth voting for. And IMO a better 'link to the community' would be the local Bobby on the beat, not a faceless PCC.[/p][/quote]Why do you regret voting for Steve Baker? He's done an outstanding job for Wycombe and the country.[/p][/quote]Who are you, his agent?[/p][/quote]A normal unbiased voter in Wycombe, expressing a view that many people share. Wycombe Elector
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10:11pm Wed 21 Nov 12

BOOKERite says...

Judge 2 wrote:
I think Steve Baker is an excellent MP. Someone who expresses the interest of his voters and doesn't tow party line.

p.s. And I'm not his agent!
Can you tell me some of the good things that he has done for the people of Wycombe, bearing mind that he once said that he didn't deal with 'local issues', only national ones.
[quote][p][bold]Judge 2[/bold] wrote: I think Steve Baker is an excellent MP. Someone who expresses the interest of his voters and doesn't tow party line. p.s. And I'm not his agent![/p][/quote]Can you tell me some of the good things that he has done for the people of Wycombe, bearing mind that he once said that he didn't deal with 'local issues', only national ones. BOOKERite
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9:11am Thu 22 Nov 12

jdough says...

Contrasting voter apathy in the PCC elections with armed conflict in emerging democracies is disingenious at best.

The recent vote was not for the end of centuries of tyrannical rule and oppression, but for the installation of another tier of largely unnecessary and expensive bureaucracy in our police force (sorry, "service").

Our democratic choice gives us with the right to not express a preference - people (especially prominent public figures) would do well to remember that.

Insulting and name-calling the electorate is not the way forward.
Contrasting voter apathy in the PCC elections with armed conflict in emerging democracies is disingenious at best. The recent vote was not for the end of centuries of tyrannical rule and oppression, but for the installation of another tier of largely unnecessary and expensive bureaucracy in our police force (sorry, "service"). Our democratic choice gives us with the right to not express a preference - people (especially prominent public figures) would do well to remember that. Insulting and name-calling the electorate is not the way forward. jdough
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9:31am Thu 22 Nov 12

tigeran says...

How come we are not allowed to comment on the 'operation ribbon' yet again Asian men commiting rape on children!! When will something be done about this? There is obviously something fundementally wrong with this culture.
How come we are not allowed to comment on the 'operation ribbon' yet again Asian men commiting rape on children!! When will something be done about this? There is obviously something fundementally wrong with this culture. tigeran
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11:40am Thu 22 Nov 12

Judge 2 says...

You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult.

Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on.

Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion.

The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem?

There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case?

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2236417/Gang-teenage
-boys-sex-14-year-ol
d-girl-park-filmed-m
obile.html

I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.
You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult. Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on. Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion. The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem? There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2236417/Gang-teenage -boys-sex-14-year-ol d-girl-park-filmed-m obile.html I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time. Judge 2
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1:57pm Thu 22 Nov 12

tigeran says...

Judge 2 wrote:
You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult.

Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on.

Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion.

The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem?

There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case?

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2236417/Gang-teenage

-boys-sex-14-year-ol

d-girl-park-filmed-m

obile.html

I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.
Yes I agree, but it is well known how females as a whole are are looked down upon in the Asian community and has been well documented recently of the complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females in a larger proportion of the Asian male community than is acceptable. I am not being difficult, merely saying what has emerged in the news recently and now we here of another organised ring of paedophiles and rapists all of which are Asians, in wycombe!
Yes, the likes of Jimmy Saville etc are around who are in positions of power etc, BUT there seems to be an unhealthy amount of Asian men, who are not in a position of power who are organising groups like this for no other reason that I can think of other than because they feel they can and they cannot see it as unacceptable and that is what I mean by something 'fundementally wrong'. I think it all boils down to the lack of respect for females, pure and simple.
[quote][p][bold]Judge 2[/bold] wrote: You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult. Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on. Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion. The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem? There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2236417/Gang-teenage -boys-sex-14-year-ol d-girl-park-filmed-m obile.html I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, but it is well known how females as a whole are are looked down upon in the Asian community and has been well documented recently of the complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females in a larger proportion of the Asian male community than is acceptable. I am not being difficult, merely saying what has emerged in the news recently and now we here of another organised ring of paedophiles and rapists all of which are Asians, in wycombe! Yes, the likes of Jimmy Saville etc are around who are in positions of power etc, BUT there seems to be an unhealthy amount of Asian men, who are not in a position of power who are organising groups like this for no other reason that I can think of other than because they feel they can and they cannot see it as unacceptable and that is what I mean by something 'fundementally wrong'. I think it all boils down to the lack of respect for females, pure and simple. tigeran
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2:51pm Thu 22 Nov 12

wycombe_chav says...

I would emphasise that regardless of ethnicity, religion or any other differentiator, crimes of this time are not acceptable. I do not think the Asian community as a whole feel this type of crime, or any for that matter is acceptable.

We, as the general public, make assumptions based on what we see in the media. The Rochdale case brought the whole exploitation thing to everyone’s attention. Interestingly the daily mail story wasn’t on the media front like the Rochdale case. Is it not as bad? The recent case of a catholic school involved a group of 7 monks.

I personally do not see the difference between someone in power and ordinary people. Abuse is abuse and should be dealt with accordingly
I would emphasise that regardless of ethnicity, religion or any other differentiator, crimes of this time are not acceptable. I do not think the Asian community as a whole feel this type of crime, or any for that matter is acceptable. We, as the general public, make assumptions based on what we see in the media. The Rochdale case brought the whole exploitation thing to everyone’s attention. Interestingly the daily mail story wasn’t on the media front like the Rochdale case. Is it not as bad? The recent case of a catholic school involved a group of 7 monks. I personally do not see the difference between someone in power and ordinary people. Abuse is abuse and should be dealt with accordingly wycombe_chav
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5:47pm Thu 22 Nov 12

stevet123 says...

Bill Taxpayer wrote:
Supt Hooha may well have his scathing attack on people who didn't vote, but I for one didn't hear anything from any of the prospective candidates telling me who they were, what they stood for, what they would do for me and my area, or why I should vote for them.

If they couldn't be bothered to canvass my vote, why should I give it?
i agree with you not one single candidate came to my house, but there again i do not think people where bothered as this was forced on the public, same as all the cuts including the police force the Cameron and his merry men come up with an American way police commissioners, so thats an insult to the police where they have had to cut police numbers.

now Superintendent Gilbert Houalla
was he pushed into saying the above, as if i was in his position i would be more interested on how many police officers i have to cover the Wycombe and surrounding areas as they say a thin blue line does not solve crime.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Taxpayer[/bold] wrote: Supt Hooha may well have his scathing attack on people who didn't vote, but I for one didn't hear anything from any of the prospective candidates telling me who they were, what they stood for, what they would do for me and my area, or why I should vote for them. If they couldn't be bothered to canvass my vote, why should I give it?[/p][/quote]i agree with you not one single candidate came to my house, but there again i do not think people where bothered as this was forced on the public, same as all the cuts including the police force the Cameron and his merry men come up with an American way police commissioners, so thats an insult to the police where they have had to cut police numbers. now Superintendent Gilbert Houalla was he pushed into saying the above, as if i was in his position i would be more interested on how many police officers i have to cover the Wycombe and surrounding areas as they say a thin blue line does not solve crime. stevet123
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9:50am Fri 23 Nov 12

Judge 2 says...

tigeran wrote:
Judge 2 wrote: You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult. Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on. Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion. The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem? There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2236417/Gang-teenage -boys-sex-14-year-ol d-girl-park-filmed-m obile.html I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.
Yes I agree, but it is well known how females as a whole are are looked down upon in the Asian community and has been well documented recently of the complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females in a larger proportion of the Asian male community than is acceptable. I am not being difficult, merely saying what has emerged in the news recently and now we here of another organised ring of paedophiles and rapists all of which are Asians, in wycombe! Yes, the likes of Jimmy Saville etc are around who are in positions of power etc, BUT there seems to be an unhealthy amount of Asian men, who are not in a position of power who are organising groups like this for no other reason that I can think of other than because they feel they can and they cannot see it as unacceptable and that is what I mean by something 'fundementally wrong'. I think it all boils down to the lack of respect for females, pure and simple.
You mention it is well known and documented about the “Asian communities’ complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females”, was this observation not from the Rochdale case alone?

It’s interesting you state "what has emerged in the news recently". The media seems to be rather selective in the coverage it provides for stories and what they feel gets viewers or readers. Should we allow this selective reporting to cloud our personal opinions and ignore those stories that don’t get proportional media coverage?

The Rochdale case got huge media coverage, where as the Catholic School and the daily mail story got very little. Does that make one crime far more serious then the other 2?

Wycombe_Chav makes some very good points and I would agree that I don’t think the Asian community endorses this type of crime or any crime.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Judge 2[/bold] wrote: You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult. Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on. Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion. The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem? There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2236417/Gang-teenage -boys-sex-14-year-ol d-girl-park-filmed-m obile.html I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, but it is well known how females as a whole are are looked down upon in the Asian community and has been well documented recently of the complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females in a larger proportion of the Asian male community than is acceptable. I am not being difficult, merely saying what has emerged in the news recently and now we here of another organised ring of paedophiles and rapists all of which are Asians, in wycombe! Yes, the likes of Jimmy Saville etc are around who are in positions of power etc, BUT there seems to be an unhealthy amount of Asian men, who are not in a position of power who are organising groups like this for no other reason that I can think of other than because they feel they can and they cannot see it as unacceptable and that is what I mean by something 'fundementally wrong'. I think it all boils down to the lack of respect for females, pure and simple.[/p][/quote]You mention it is well known and documented about the “Asian communities’ complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females”, was this observation not from the Rochdale case alone? It’s interesting you state "what has emerged in the news recently". The media seems to be rather selective in the coverage it provides for stories and what they feel gets viewers or readers. Should we allow this selective reporting to cloud our personal opinions and ignore those stories that don’t get proportional media coverage? The Rochdale case got huge media coverage, where as the Catholic School and the daily mail story got very little. Does that make one crime far more serious then the other 2? Wycombe_Chav makes some very good points and I would agree that I don’t think the Asian community endorses this type of crime or any crime. Judge 2
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11:16am Fri 23 Nov 12

tigeran says...

Judge 2 wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Judge 2 wrote: You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult. Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on. Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion. The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem? There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2236417/Gang-teenage -boys-sex-14-year-ol d-girl-park-filmed-m obile.html I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.
Yes I agree, but it is well known how females as a whole are are looked down upon in the Asian community and has been well documented recently of the complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females in a larger proportion of the Asian male community than is acceptable. I am not being difficult, merely saying what has emerged in the news recently and now we here of another organised ring of paedophiles and rapists all of which are Asians, in wycombe! Yes, the likes of Jimmy Saville etc are around who are in positions of power etc, BUT there seems to be an unhealthy amount of Asian men, who are not in a position of power who are organising groups like this for no other reason that I can think of other than because they feel they can and they cannot see it as unacceptable and that is what I mean by something 'fundementally wrong'. I think it all boils down to the lack of respect for females, pure and simple.
You mention it is well known and documented about the “Asian communities’ complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females”, was this observation not from the Rochdale case alone?

It’s interesting you state "what has emerged in the news recently". The media seems to be rather selective in the coverage it provides for stories and what they feel gets viewers or readers. Should we allow this selective reporting to cloud our personal opinions and ignore those stories that don’t get proportional media coverage?

The Rochdale case got huge media coverage, where as the Catholic School and the daily mail story got very little. Does that make one crime far more serious then the other 2?

Wycombe_Chav makes some very good points and I would agree that I don’t think the Asian community endorses this type of crime or any crime.
I am sure they dont endorse it, what I am saying is that there is and always have been an underlying disregard for females in Asian culture, that is a fact and you know it is, and what I am saying is that due to this men of the mentality of the likes of these are less inhibited by morals in regards to this very type of crime. Yes I totally agree there will always be men like this from all walks of life but not all cultures have the apparent lack of equality towards the females as Asian men seem to have and thus it is more likely to occur within this community than others simply because of the lack of respect and thus less 'morally' wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Judge 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Judge 2[/bold] wrote: You are either being very narrow minded or just difficult. Over the last year or so we have seen lots of stories to do with children. Saville abusing his position, local councillor possessing indecent images, religious school child abuse, girl who went missing in Wales, the rochdale case and if I wanted I can go on and on. Some of the above cases involve 100s of victims, senior institutional cover up and involvement, nearly every ethic group and religion. The point I want to make is we should not judge the wider community on the actions of a very small proportion. Are all celeb who work with children potentials suspects? Are all councillors potential suspects? Are all religious schools a problem? There was a story in the Mail, link below. Which section of the community do we stigmatise as a result of this case? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2236417/Gang-teenage -boys-sex-14-year-ol d-girl-park-filmed-m obile.html I just hope the right punishment is given to those who are found guilty and victims are given the right support to help them through this difficult time.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, but it is well known how females as a whole are are looked down upon in the Asian community and has been well documented recently of the complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females in a larger proportion of the Asian male community than is acceptable. I am not being difficult, merely saying what has emerged in the news recently and now we here of another organised ring of paedophiles and rapists all of which are Asians, in wycombe! Yes, the likes of Jimmy Saville etc are around who are in positions of power etc, BUT there seems to be an unhealthy amount of Asian men, who are not in a position of power who are organising groups like this for no other reason that I can think of other than because they feel they can and they cannot see it as unacceptable and that is what I mean by something 'fundementally wrong'. I think it all boils down to the lack of respect for females, pure and simple.[/p][/quote]You mention it is well known and documented about the “Asian communities’ complete disregard of respect for white women and especially young white females”, was this observation not from the Rochdale case alone? It’s interesting you state "what has emerged in the news recently". The media seems to be rather selective in the coverage it provides for stories and what they feel gets viewers or readers. Should we allow this selective reporting to cloud our personal opinions and ignore those stories that don’t get proportional media coverage? The Rochdale case got huge media coverage, where as the Catholic School and the daily mail story got very little. Does that make one crime far more serious then the other 2? Wycombe_Chav makes some very good points and I would agree that I don’t think the Asian community endorses this type of crime or any crime.[/p][/quote]I am sure they dont endorse it, what I am saying is that there is and always have been an underlying disregard for females in Asian culture, that is a fact and you know it is, and what I am saying is that due to this men of the mentality of the likes of these are less inhibited by morals in regards to this very type of crime. Yes I totally agree there will always be men like this from all walks of life but not all cultures have the apparent lack of equality towards the females as Asian men seem to have and thus it is more likely to occur within this community than others simply because of the lack of respect and thus less 'morally' wrong. tigeran
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