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Updated: High Speed 2 phase two revealed
9:42am Monday 28th January 2013 in News
High Speed 2 phase two revealed
CAMPAIGNERS claim the HS2 project will take more jobs away from the north and into London, after details of the route beyond Birmingham were revealed today.
The company behind the controversial scheme say it is vital to generating economic growth in the north of the country and to improve transport connections between major cities.
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But those opposed to the planned line say by the time it eventually gets built the need for growth will have disappeared - and residents will actually receive a poorer rail service.
The plans unveiled by the Department of Transport and HS2 Ltd this morning show two Y shaped spur lines will be built north of Birmingham.
One to the east will go on to Leeds via stops at Toton Sidings, to the south of Nottingham, and Meadowhall, near Sheffield. The other goes north west to Crewe, where it will again split to create new lines onward to Manchester and Liverpool.
The Government says improved infrastructure will lead to an eventual growth in the northern economy - but opponents to the scheme say the north needs to be regenerated now, not when the line is completed in 2033.
Penny Gaines, chairman of the Stop HS2 campaign group, said: "The Government talks about jobs, and regenerating the north, but in reality, high speed rail projects elsewhere have sucked jobs to the capital cities, away from the regions. HS2 focuses on long distance journeys, when the main passenger growth is in regional and local areas.
"Again and again with HS2 we’ve heard talk of connectivity, but what it really means is connectivity with London. HS2 is a London-centric proposal that seems focused on extending the London commuter belt beyond Birmingham, when we need to create an engine for growth in the north, providing access to jobs for people who want to live and work in the north."
Independent Chiltern District Councillor Seb Berry, who was elected onto the authority under an anti-HS2 ticket, said: "Today David Cameron, George Osborne and Nick Clegg all tried to spin the HS2 Y announcement as vital for growth. But no one seriously believes that HS2 has anything to do with growing our way out of austerity.
"The north needs growth now. HS2 will make zero difference to our short-term economic prospects and do nothing to help the UK avoid an almost certain triple-dip recession."
He added: "Enough is enough. The May County Council elections provide an early opportunity for local voters right across Bucks and in other affected Shires to deliver their verdict."
Buckinghamshire County Council Leader Martin Tett, who is also Chairman of the 51m Alliance of 18 local authorities opposed to HS2, said: "A major concern that we have is that many towns and cities will be shocked to discover that they will actually receive a poorer train service if HS2 is built. Stations such as Toton Sidings and Meadowhall are far from city centres. West Coast Main Line and Midland Main Line services to many existing stations are certain to be reduced.
"At the same time HS2 will blight the lives, property and businesses of tens of thousands of people. Houses will be unsaleable and jobs lost across the Midlands and elsewhere. Only those directly on the route will receive compensation. Those nearby will have to wait until 2034 at the earliest to see if they get anything."
A statement on HS2 Ltd's website read: "HS2 is not just about connections to London. By linking Birmingham, Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds, it will provide fast services between cities which are not currently well connected.
"The stations in Leeds, Sheffield, the East Midlands and Birmingham would each be separated by a journey of less than 20 minutes, making daily commuting easy and providing a high speed line that would integrate their economies as never before."
Comments(19)
sparky49
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11:17am Mon 28 Jan 13
P.S it also upsets the Chiltern nimbys, that's got to be a plus straight away.
Kania 2000
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11:45am Mon 28 Jan 13
Just think of all the people that will have to drive to get on the train!
Does any one really believe that it will only cost £33bn?
jayeatman
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12:29pm Mon 28 Jan 13
Kania 2000 wrote:'Only £33bn'. I cannot believe how much it's going to cost!
As train fares are more than flights will any one be able to afford to travel by train anyway?
Just think of all the people that will have to drive to get on the train!
Does any one really believe that it will only cost £33bn?
As for it's own political reasons (as opposed to the economic well being of the country), the government cancelled Heathrow's 3rd runway and kicked the issue of any more runways in the South East into the long grass, you won't have the choice of flying to Manchester or Glasgow as there won't be any space for your plane to take off and land!
PS What was regis on about exactly?? HS2: A commuter network for terrorists? Hmmm
Malc London
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12:46pm Mon 28 Jan 13
I would still prefer the money spent on a localised rail network to provide efficient, cheap transport for commuters.
Trains are more expensive than cars, never mind planes. Only the very rich will be able to afford it.
J B Blackett
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2:22pm Mon 28 Jan 13
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The end result will not probably be to give a more fairly distributed network and associated infrastructures.
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That has been tried in other European countries - inc Spain and Italy. Just the opposite of what the politicians said would happen , has happened.
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eg the Supertrain line /service between Madrid and Seville was supposed to spread the business and commerce enterprise more evenly.
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In fact even more business has now migrate to Madrid at the expense / loss to other areas and making Spain even more Madrid-centric.
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This country is already too London-oriented and HS2 could make it more so.
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Still it seems to suit the overbearingly loud voices in big business with vested interests and their political friends. .
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And it also is said to suit a bunch of millionaire (mostly inherited wealth or worse) public school boys who lack any real job / life experiences , haven't an inking about ordinary folks living costs and are in fact totally inept - not even adequate at PR.
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That means they are not even good at telling blatant lies. At least Blair was very good at that and conned most people he lied to. Perhaps they don't care whether we know if they are lying or not. Nick Clegg doesn't.
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Still one gets the self-serving arrogant idiots and liars one votes for , doesn't one ? (allegedly).
Scarletto
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2:29pm Mon 28 Jan 13
Also, no stations planned for our area so no benefit anyway for us all..
thethe
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8:18pm Mon 28 Jan 13
JOHNHEALY
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9:31pm Mon 28 Jan 13
gpn01
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10:52pm Mon 28 Jan 13
£33 BILLION pounds for 33 THOUSAND jobs ? Divide the cost by the number of jobs and it works out at ONE MILLION POUNDS PER JOB CREATED.
You could just give 330,000 companies £100,000 each if they took on one additional employee. I suspect that would open up far more business opportunities.
Voyeur
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12:38am Tue 29 Jan 13
washondo
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3:08am Tue 29 Jan 13
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Shouldn't we be going slower?
JOHNHEALY
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9:19am Tue 29 Jan 13
gpn01 wrote:gpn01 let us take your point about the cost of jobs first . All jobs cost money and a £1,000,000 per job is reasonable. Giving companies £100000 for creating jobs would on a £20000 a year salary only keep an employee for five years. As well as all the benefits I mentioned earlier there is the wider picture to look at with HS2/HS3 such as all the spin off benefits they will bring. However, as I have already stated there are certain provisos to welcoming this project with open arms and I should know what I am talking about as a Railway Historian
"HS2 and HS3 are very beneficial for the country in many respects from the point of view of the jobs they will create for construction workers and operational staff" ???
£33 BILLION pounds for 33 THOUSAND jobs ? Divide the cost by the number of jobs and it works out at ONE MILLION POUNDS PER JOB CREATED.
You could just give 330,000 companies £100,000 each if they took on one additional employee. I suspect that would open up far more business opportunities.
Dr James
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10:21am Tue 29 Jan 13
As the build moves past Birmingham the CBR indeed jumps to 1:6 creating a viable railway so actually your £33billion spend over say a 10 -12 year period is really nothing, in fact it is quite cheap and affordable and would cost something like the tax payer as little £10 pounds a year, of course you will not see your taxes rise as the funding will come out of the national coffers and private financing, the jobs created and the taxes paid on the wages through the jobs created funds the build, along with the sales of goods at the shops that will open at the major stations that will be refurbished into shopping centres etc etc.....so I say build.
Malc London
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1:42pm Tue 29 Jan 13
I think it would be best if they start up north and see what economic benefits it brings in. At least the rail network up there is worth having.
In the south there are no stations planned between London and Birmingham, so the benefit to people in the south is nil.
I'd rather the money be spent on local services to take traffic off the road. In addition, a connection between Reading and Cambridge and on to Norfolk would make more sense.
gpn01
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1:45pm Tue 29 Jan 13
JOHNHEALY wrote:You make a very apt point that you are a railway HISTORIAN - and railways are a centuries old form of communication. There are massively faster (and clearly cheaper) ways of communication available these days that would help business prosper far more than simply transporting people for A to B. If you think that spending £1M to take ONE person off the jobless queue is good value then I would suggest that you seriously give it more thought.
gpn01 wrote: "HS2 and HS3 are very beneficial for the country in many respects from the point of view of the jobs they will create for construction workers and operational staff" ??? £33 BILLION pounds for 33 THOUSAND jobs ? Divide the cost by the number of jobs and it works out at ONE MILLION POUNDS PER JOB CREATED. You could just give 330,000 companies £100,000 each if they took on one additional employee. I suspect that would open up far more business opportunities.gpn01 let us take your point about the cost of jobs first . All jobs cost money and a £1,000,000 per job is reasonable. Giving companies £100000 for creating jobs would on a £20000 a year salary only keep an employee for five years. As well as all the benefits I mentioned earlier there is the wider picture to look at with HS2/HS3 such as all the spin off benefits they will bring. However, as I have already stated there are certain provisos to welcoming this project with open arms and I should know what I am talking about as a Railway Historian
jayeatman
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1:59pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Malc London wrote:Ironic then that one of the new stations, Sheffield, will be built in a shopping center. Reading-Cambridge, good idea Malc, it's called East-West Rail. It might happen one day, but I agree that schemes such as this, Crossrail2 and similar ones in other major cities would do far more for the country's economy. That plus a new runway or two would do it.
I think you'll find shopping centres will be a thing of the past by the time the rail is completed.
I think it would be best if they start up north and see what economic benefits it brings in. At least the rail network up there is worth having.
In the south there are no stations planned between London and Birmingham, so the benefit to people in the south is nil.
I'd rather the money be spent on local services to take traffic off the road. In addition, a connection between Reading and Cambridge and on to Norfolk would make more sense.
Aquator
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6:29pm Wed 30 Jan 13
We don't have enough money to keep A&E department of our hospitals open or to provide meaningful work to provide real goods for the benifit of the people.
But from that same conjuring box, this incredibly insulting piece of engineering seems to be affordable. Hmmm...
Our elected officials and senior officers of government seem to be incapable of giving truthful and honest answers, instead constantly projecting FALSE information.
THe state seems to be ABUSING the trust placed in it to serve the electorate
and the activities within the imposition of austery is for many people positively MALICIOUS.
Hope that doesn't offend any ones sensibilities!
peesh64
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9:58pm Thu 31 Jan 13
regis says...
9:55am Mon 28 Jan 13