Council pothole payouts drop to zero

Council pothole payouts drop to zero

Council pothole payouts drop to zero

First published in News Bucks Free Press: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

NO motorists this year have so far made a successful compensation claim against Buckinghamshire County Council for damage caused to their vehicles by potholes - prompting a political group to question if it's now harder to make a claim.

Figures obtained by the Wycombe Labour group claim the council - which has responsibility for the upkeep of the county's road - has not had to pay out to any motorists whose vehicles have been damaged by driving along a defective road in the current council year.

Labour said the council paid out 45 times in 2010/11 out of 2,231 claims submitted to the council, while 763 claims had been made against the authority last year.

Severe weather in two poor winters led to roads around the county cracking up, leading to a surge in the number of claims from motorists whose vehicles had been damaged by potholes.

The council said it is able to successfully defend 95 per cent of all actions brought against them due its system of inspection and repair.

But Labour's Councillor for Disraeli, Khalil Ahmed, questioned the figures, saying it’s 'a mystery' why the number of claims made against the county council had gone done.

Cllr Ahmed said: "There is general agreement that our roads in Bucks are poorly maintained – BCC says so itself. And yet, if these figures are correct, fewer vehicles are being damaged by potholes or fewer road users are making claims for the damage - or both.

"This decrease in claims started three years ago, so it is not the result of this year’s mild winter. It is also odd that no-one has claimed successfully as yet for 2013/4.

"So what is happening? Perhaps drivers are getting to know where the potholes are and are avoiding them. Perhaps drivers are slowing down. Perhaps drivers are just accepting damage from potholes as a normal feature of driving and not bothering to claim.

"Somehow neither of these explanations seem right. I wonder if the real reason is that BCC has made it more difficult to claim?”

Rosemary Bryant, spokesman for Transport for Buckinghamshire, said: "All claims for damage or injuries relating to potholes are dealt with on an individual basis. Every case is different and each claim is assessed by a team of claims handlers and dealt with as appropriate.

"The council or its insurers will only pay compensation on claims where it is established that the council has failed to properly discharge its responsibilities as the highway authority.

"To establish a defence the council will need to show that it has a proper system of inspection and repair including responding to complaints of defects arising in between our regular inspections. Inspection frequencies are broadly based on national guidelines and take into consideration the type and usage of the road in question. The council successfully defends around 95 per cent of all such claims based on our inspection and repair system.

"Defects can develop in between our inspections and the public are encouraged to report such problems to us so that we can take prompt action.  Defects can be reported on our service information centre www.buckscc.gov.uk/transport or if urgent by telephoning 0845 2302882."

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9:31am Mon 12 May 14

I know who I am says...

When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there. I know who I am
  • Score: 10

9:51am Mon 12 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
[quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede. Darren Hayday
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9:53am Mon 12 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

The Labour party do raise a very good point here. It does worry me that this BCC Council spend a lot of resource on the legal side (i.e. covering their backsides) and also on PR!. Which in my mind is wrong. But what do you think?
The Labour party do raise a very good point here. It does worry me that this BCC Council spend a lot of resource on the legal side (i.e. covering their backsides) and also on PR!. Which in my mind is wrong. But what do you think? Darren Hayday
  • Score: 6

10:19am Mon 12 May 14

iworld says...

I have a suggestion to the Bucks Free Press and for all the readers - why don't the Bucks Free Press to a feature each week on Potholes of Wycombe? Potholes Report the worse offending roads - send in pictures and mark the roads using Red, Orange, Yellow system to highlight their urgency - how long they have been there and motorists affected by them. You could also do this on the website by way of a special link. The Pothole Meance has to STOP - Action is needed
I have a suggestion to the Bucks Free Press and for all the readers - why don't the Bucks Free Press to a feature each week on Potholes of Wycombe? Potholes Report the worse offending roads - send in pictures and mark the roads using Red, Orange, Yellow system to highlight their urgency - how long they have been there and motorists affected by them. You could also do this on the website by way of a special link. The Pothole Meance has to STOP - Action is needed iworld
  • Score: 25

10:25am Mon 12 May 14

HolmerGreenresident2 says...

I incurred a £250 bill when my wheel and tire were ruined hitting a huge pothole filled with rainwater. Sent for the claim form but there was no point claiming as unless the pothole has previously been reported and then not repaired in a reasonable time, the council are not liable. The latest wheeze seems to be the council painting white lines around potholes and then they stay that way for weeks, fading over time but not being repaired. No doubt the council are not responsible for damage there either as they could say they have given a warning with the white lines! The fact that they are refusing all the claims made is surely the tip of the iceberg for the amount of damage caused to cars, as most people would not even have claimed - and this shows what a waste of time it would be to fill in the complicated form, send photographs etc.
I incurred a £250 bill when my wheel and tire were ruined hitting a huge pothole filled with rainwater. Sent for the claim form but there was no point claiming as unless the pothole has previously been reported and then not repaired in a reasonable time, the council are not liable. The latest wheeze seems to be the council painting white lines around potholes and then they stay that way for weeks, fading over time but not being repaired. No doubt the council are not responsible for damage there either as they could say they have given a warning with the white lines! The fact that they are refusing all the claims made is surely the tip of the iceberg for the amount of damage caused to cars, as most people would not even have claimed - and this shows what a waste of time it would be to fill in the complicated form, send photographs etc. HolmerGreenresident2
  • Score: 22

10:49am Mon 12 May 14

Kania 2000 says...

BCC just refuse all claims and work the system so not to pay out for any claims other to those who persist.
Their reporting system and record keeping is also somewhat suspect.
But really what do we now expect from BCC other than loads of buck passing around their system!!!!!
BCC just refuse all claims and work the system so not to pay out for any claims other to those who persist. Their reporting system and record keeping is also somewhat suspect. But really what do we now expect from BCC other than loads of buck passing around their system!!!!! Kania 2000
  • Score: 20

10:56am Mon 12 May 14

Kania 2000 says...

Well then BCC have perfected not being responsible for anything. Loose all the reports and the responsibility is not theirs. Can we all use that excuse?
So who is responsible for the roads and the road safety issues caused by potholes the lack of white lines, bad and failed surfaces??????
Well then BCC have perfected not being responsible for anything. Loose all the reports and the responsibility is not theirs. Can we all use that excuse? So who is responsible for the roads and the road safety issues caused by potholes the lack of white lines, bad and failed surfaces?????? Kania 2000
  • Score: 16

12:45pm Mon 12 May 14

jdough says...

Why on earth would anyone use BCC's own "claims" procedure? It's hardly going to be straight-forward or impartial!

Small Claims Court all the way...

https://www.gov.uk/m
ake-court-claim-for-
money/overview
Why on earth would anyone use BCC's own "claims" procedure? It's hardly going to be straight-forward or impartial! Small Claims Court all the way... https://www.gov.uk/m ake-court-claim-for- money/overview jdough
  • Score: 66

12:52pm Mon 12 May 14

mistamina says...

HolmerGreenresident2 wrote:
I incurred a £250 bill when my wheel and tire were ruined hitting a huge pothole filled with rainwater. Sent for the claim form but there was no point claiming as unless the pothole has previously been reported and then not repaired in a reasonable time, the council are not liable. The latest wheeze seems to be the council painting white lines around potholes and then they stay that way for weeks, fading over time but not being repaired. No doubt the council are not responsible for damage there either as they could say they have given a warning with the white lines! The fact that they are refusing all the claims made is surely the tip of the iceberg for the amount of damage caused to cars, as most people would not even have claimed - and this shows what a waste of time it would be to fill in the complicated form, send photographs etc.
Amazing.
''no point claiming as unless the pothole has previously been reported and then not repaired in a reasonable time, the council are not liable........fill in the complicated form, send photographs etc.''
Is this all immoral, or am i the only person in Bucks who things about responsibilities of paid servants this way?
[quote][p][bold]HolmerGreenresident2[/bold] wrote: I incurred a £250 bill when my wheel and tire were ruined hitting a huge pothole filled with rainwater. Sent for the claim form but there was no point claiming as unless the pothole has previously been reported and then not repaired in a reasonable time, the council are not liable. The latest wheeze seems to be the council painting white lines around potholes and then they stay that way for weeks, fading over time but not being repaired. No doubt the council are not responsible for damage there either as they could say they have given a warning with the white lines! The fact that they are refusing all the claims made is surely the tip of the iceberg for the amount of damage caused to cars, as most people would not even have claimed - and this shows what a waste of time it would be to fill in the complicated form, send photographs etc.[/p][/quote]Amazing. ''no point claiming as unless the pothole has previously been reported and then not repaired in a reasonable time, the council are not liable........fill in the complicated form, send photographs etc.'' Is this all immoral, or am i the only person in Bucks who things about responsibilities of paid servants this way? mistamina
  • Score: 6

5:12pm Mon 12 May 14

miccles says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week. miccles
  • Score: 6

6:55pm Mon 12 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

miccles wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
Of course that is correct and what I've been asking for the last 12 months....however welcome to BCC!!! I'm not being given that money to do that level of work.

Hopefully one day I will - but till then, the only option that I have is jet patching.
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.[/p][/quote]Of course that is correct and what I've been asking for the last 12 months....however welcome to BCC!!! I'm not being given that money to do that level of work. Hopefully one day I will - but till then, the only option that I have is jet patching. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Mon 12 May 14

sexysox says...

when will the bus stop on Totteridge Rd just above the train station get done and Wingate Ave and Hicks Farm there are so many roads that can be named. I think when we get our cars fixed we should deduct the amount from our council tax then wait for the court summons, go to court and state a case, I'm sure magistrates drive in this area too and have had enough of of the roads! Also we need to spray the potholes with luminous paint then they cant deny knowledge
when will the bus stop on Totteridge Rd just above the train station get done and Wingate Ave and Hicks Farm there are so many roads that can be named. I think when we get our cars fixed we should deduct the amount from our council tax then wait for the court summons, go to court and state a case, I'm sure magistrates drive in this area too and have had enough of of the roads! Also we need to spray the potholes with luminous paint then they cant deny knowledge sexysox
  • Score: 1

11:36pm Mon 12 May 14

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

sexysox wrote:
when will the bus stop on Totteridge Rd just above the train station get done and Wingate Ave and Hicks Farm there are so many roads that can be named. I think when we get our cars fixed we should deduct the amount from our council tax then wait for the court summons, go to court and state a case, I'm sure magistrates drive in this area too and have had enough of of the roads! Also we need to spray the potholes with luminous paint then they cant deny knowledge
I've reported this several times and have been told because there's no risk of damage to vehicles it's not a priority but they wish they had the funds to repair it.
I reported it because it's a death trap for motorcyclists, other road uses get impatient when bikers have to tiptoe through this...
It's not right and it need fixing yesterday.
I wish I'd thought of the small claims court for tyre damage I suffered about 18 months ago... their defence was because nobody had reported the defects they don't exist!
Why don't they get all council employees to report defects they come across on their way to work? Not that they do anything about them unless damage might occur... vehicle damage being put before motorcyclist lives!
[quote][p][bold]sexysox[/bold] wrote: when will the bus stop on Totteridge Rd just above the train station get done and Wingate Ave and Hicks Farm there are so many roads that can be named. I think when we get our cars fixed we should deduct the amount from our council tax then wait for the court summons, go to court and state a case, I'm sure magistrates drive in this area too and have had enough of of the roads! Also we need to spray the potholes with luminous paint then they cant deny knowledge[/p][/quote]I've reported this several times and have been told because there's no risk of damage to vehicles it's not a priority but they wish they had the funds to repair it. I reported it because it's a death trap for motorcyclists, other road uses get impatient when bikers have to tiptoe through this... It's not right and it need fixing yesterday. I wish I'd thought of the small claims court for tyre damage I suffered about 18 months ago... their defence was because nobody had reported the defects they don't exist! Why don't they get all council employees to report defects they come across on their way to work? Not that they do anything about them unless damage might occur... vehicle damage being put before motorcyclist lives! Mr Totterdge Hill
  • Score: 5

9:17am Tue 13 May 14

Kania 2000 says...

Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money????
Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink. Kania 2000
  • Score: 7

9:58am Tue 13 May 14

jdough says...

TfB is not fit for purpose, and should be scrapped.

The fact that TfB even exists - a "sub-brand" within BCC, tells you everything you need to know about the council's priorities.

One of the driving forces (pun not intended) behind BCC's speed limit review (where substantial stretches of National Speed Limit roads were needlessly downgraded to a 40 or 50 limit), was not road safety - although it masqueraded as such - but rather the substantially lower surveying and maintenance requirements enjoyed by the lower speed limits.

Shame on you, BCC. Shame on you.
TfB is not fit for purpose, and should be scrapped. The fact that TfB even exists - a "sub-brand" within BCC, tells you everything you need to know about the council's priorities. One of the driving forces (pun not intended) behind BCC's speed limit review (where substantial stretches of National Speed Limit roads were needlessly downgraded to a 40 or 50 limit), was not road safety - although it masqueraded as such - but rather the substantially lower surveying and maintenance requirements enjoyed by the lower speed limits. Shame on you, BCC. Shame on you. jdough
  • Score: 15

10:23am Tue 13 May 14

Kania 2000 says...

jdough wrote:
TfB is not fit for purpose, and should be scrapped.

The fact that TfB even exists - a "sub-brand" within BCC, tells you everything you need to know about the council's priorities.

One of the driving forces (pun not intended) behind BCC's speed limit review (where substantial stretches of National Speed Limit roads were needlessly downgraded to a 40 or 50 limit), was not road safety - although it masqueraded as such - but rather the substantially lower surveying and maintenance requirements enjoyed by the lower speed limits.

Shame on you, BCC. Shame on you.
TfB is Ringway Jacobs not BCC
[quote][p][bold]jdough[/bold] wrote: TfB is not fit for purpose, and should be scrapped. The fact that TfB even exists - a "sub-brand" within BCC, tells you everything you need to know about the council's priorities. One of the driving forces (pun not intended) behind BCC's speed limit review (where substantial stretches of National Speed Limit roads were needlessly downgraded to a 40 or 50 limit), was not road safety - although it masqueraded as such - but rather the substantially lower surveying and maintenance requirements enjoyed by the lower speed limits. Shame on you, BCC. Shame on you.[/p][/quote]TfB is Ringway Jacobs not BCC Kania 2000
  • Score: 0

10:37am Tue 13 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

Kania 2000 wrote:
Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money????
Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
I totally agree with you on all points!
[quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you on all points! Darren Hayday
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Tue 13 May 14

Her Next Door says...

Kania 2000 wrote:
Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.
[quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money. Her Next Door
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Tue 13 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

Her Next Door wrote:
Kania 2000 wrote:
Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.
Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced.
I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes.
We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!!
I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.
[quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Tue 13 May 14

Her Next Door says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
Her Next Door wrote:
Kania 2000 wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.
Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.
I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby.....

As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.[/p][/quote]I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby..... As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate. Her Next Door
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Tue 13 May 14

Kania 2000 says...

Her Next Door wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
Her Next Door wrote:
Kania 2000 wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.
Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.
I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby.....

As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.
My point, not very well made previously. Is that the money being spent to repair, plane and resurface and patch is great but the standards of this work is not good enough to give the expected life cycle. It would appear that those people advising the Councillors just don't know what is required to produce a road surface or repair to a good and lasting standard. So how can a Councillor be expected to make a good decision with flawed information and poor standards of work after all they are not experts! However they should have the presents to obtain expert advice outside the so called experts employed by BCC and their contractors. It would also appear that Bucks County Council as a whole do not monitor any works carried out whether by their own staff or that of contractors. But there again do those in charge or responsible at this level know what it takes to do a good job, I think not! Not an easy job to sort but good Councillors asking the correct questions would start to make a difference. The political parties should look to field candidates with the ability, commercial experience, great common sense, enough time and energy to do the job to a high standard. So those who are not up to it should move on.
[quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.[/p][/quote]I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby..... As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.[/p][/quote]My point, not very well made previously. Is that the money being spent to repair, plane and resurface and patch is great but the standards of this work is not good enough to give the expected life cycle. It would appear that those people advising the Councillors just don't know what is required to produce a road surface or repair to a good and lasting standard. So how can a Councillor be expected to make a good decision with flawed information and poor standards of work after all they are not experts! However they should have the presents to obtain expert advice outside the so called experts employed by BCC and their contractors. It would also appear that Bucks County Council as a whole do not monitor any works carried out whether by their own staff or that of contractors. But there again do those in charge or responsible at this level know what it takes to do a good job, I think not! Not an easy job to sort but good Councillors asking the correct questions would start to make a difference. The political parties should look to field candidates with the ability, commercial experience, great common sense, enough time and energy to do the job to a high standard. So those who are not up to it should move on. Kania 2000
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Tue 13 May 14

Her Next Door says...

Kania 2000 wrote:
Her Next Door wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
Her Next Door wrote:
Kania 2000 wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.
Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.
I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby.....

As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.
My point, not very well made previously. Is that the money being spent to repair, plane and resurface and patch is great but the standards of this work is not good enough to give the expected life cycle. It would appear that those people advising the Councillors just don't know what is required to produce a road surface or repair to a good and lasting standard. So how can a Councillor be expected to make a good decision with flawed information and poor standards of work after all they are not experts! However they should have the presents to obtain expert advice outside the so called experts employed by BCC and their contractors. It would also appear that Bucks County Council as a whole do not monitor any works carried out whether by their own staff or that of contractors. But there again do those in charge or responsible at this level know what it takes to do a good job, I think not! Not an easy job to sort but good Councillors asking the correct questions would start to make a difference. The political parties should look to field candidates with the ability, commercial experience, great common sense, enough time and energy to do the job to a high standard. So those who are not up to it should move on.
Martin Tett is not being given flawed information, he just wants to spread the money as widely and thinly as possible, making impossible for high standard work to be done anywhere. He would rather appear to be doing work everywhere than to be select about the roads they choose and do a good job on fewer locations.
And like you said, councillors are not experts! They do like to think they are when they are dictating what they want though.
[quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.[/p][/quote]I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby..... As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.[/p][/quote]My point, not very well made previously. Is that the money being spent to repair, plane and resurface and patch is great but the standards of this work is not good enough to give the expected life cycle. It would appear that those people advising the Councillors just don't know what is required to produce a road surface or repair to a good and lasting standard. So how can a Councillor be expected to make a good decision with flawed information and poor standards of work after all they are not experts! However they should have the presents to obtain expert advice outside the so called experts employed by BCC and their contractors. It would also appear that Bucks County Council as a whole do not monitor any works carried out whether by their own staff or that of contractors. But there again do those in charge or responsible at this level know what it takes to do a good job, I think not! Not an easy job to sort but good Councillors asking the correct questions would start to make a difference. The political parties should look to field candidates with the ability, commercial experience, great common sense, enough time and energy to do the job to a high standard. So those who are not up to it should move on.[/p][/quote]Martin Tett is not being given flawed information, he just wants to spread the money as widely and thinly as possible, making impossible for high standard work to be done anywhere. He would rather appear to be doing work everywhere than to be select about the roads they choose and do a good job on fewer locations. And like you said, councillors are not experts! They do like to think they are when they are dictating what they want though. Her Next Door
  • Score: 0

8:33am Wed 14 May 14

mistamina says...

miccles wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them.
But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.[/p][/quote]Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them. But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect. mistamina
  • Score: 2

10:50am Wed 14 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

Her Next Door wrote:
Kania 2000 wrote:
Her Next Door wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
Her Next Door wrote:
Kania 2000 wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.
The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.
Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.
I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby.....

As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.
My point, not very well made previously. Is that the money being spent to repair, plane and resurface and patch is great but the standards of this work is not good enough to give the expected life cycle. It would appear that those people advising the Councillors just don't know what is required to produce a road surface or repair to a good and lasting standard. So how can a Councillor be expected to make a good decision with flawed information and poor standards of work after all they are not experts! However they should have the presents to obtain expert advice outside the so called experts employed by BCC and their contractors. It would also appear that Bucks County Council as a whole do not monitor any works carried out whether by their own staff or that of contractors. But there again do those in charge or responsible at this level know what it takes to do a good job, I think not! Not an easy job to sort but good Councillors asking the correct questions would start to make a difference. The political parties should look to field candidates with the ability, commercial experience, great common sense, enough time and energy to do the job to a high standard. So those who are not up to it should move on.
Martin Tett is not being given flawed information, he just wants to spread the money as widely and thinly as possible, making impossible for high standard work to be done anywhere. He would rather appear to be doing work everywhere than to be select about the roads they choose and do a good job on fewer locations.
And like you said, councillors are not experts! They do like to think they are when they are dictating what they want though.
I don’t think that this is true about all Cllrs - there are one or two very good ones, believe it or not!
[quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Her Next Door[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kania 2000[/bold] wrote: Quite frankly BCC have failed to maintain our road for many years. They have used the money elsewhere thinking they were saving funds. Unfortunately they were wrong its now been evident for many years it was a massive mistake which will cost tens of millions to correct. It is also clear looking at the current surface failures that the council required specifications were not met by the contractors who carried out the planning and resurfacing or substandard work was agreed and accepted as part of the councils cost cutting.. Indeed some of the road surfaces that were replaced last year are already showing significant signs of premature failure. Clearly either the agreed specifications are wrong or the work carried out is substandard. Lets hope Cllr Vigor-Hedderley will ensure those responsible at BCC are made to strictly oversee contractors such as Ringway Jacobs to ensure repair standards are suitable to last for more than a few months and that BCC are getting value for money???? Quite frankly "Transport for Bucks" is a mess and needs a massive rethink.[/p][/quote]The problem started when Martin Tett decreed, that rather than prioritise A and B roads for maintenance and resurfacing, i.e. generally the routes most heavily used, County Councillors should be allowed to decide which roads they wanted resurfacing, meaning minor residential estate roads and cul-de-sacs are being treated in order to win votes, rather than because they actually need to be. Complete waste of public money.[/p][/quote]Although there could so be a grain of truth in this, I don't agree with you. In my patch the roads in Sands are in a terrible state (Arundel, Bookerhill, Roundwood Road, etc) - it's about time that they were resurfaced. I think that Martin (and I'm no cheerleader for him) is a massive improvement on the last Tory Leader of BCC when it comes to repairing potholes. We have had bad roads because in my mind the money wasn’t going to where it needed to go in the last 10 years!!! I do hope that the new cabinet holder for transport makes the right changes - she is also a big improvement on her predecessor.[/p][/quote]I am not suggesting that no roads other than A and B roads require resurfacing, but there are a lot of roads that are being resurfaced or treated which absolutely do not need it, and certainly not instead of other more main routes. My own road, in a quiet residential area, is an example of this and it completely baffles me why money is being spent there. Clearly somebody important lives nearby..... As for Martin Tett, in a few years it will become clear that blindly throwing as much of the council budget as he can at filling potholes, at the expense of every other area of the council, was in fact a false economy and very short term thinking. The roads will never be in a good state because there will never be enough money to repair them to a good standard, at the rate that they deteriorate.[/p][/quote]My point, not very well made previously. Is that the money being spent to repair, plane and resurface and patch is great but the standards of this work is not good enough to give the expected life cycle. It would appear that those people advising the Councillors just don't know what is required to produce a road surface or repair to a good and lasting standard. So how can a Councillor be expected to make a good decision with flawed information and poor standards of work after all they are not experts! However they should have the presents to obtain expert advice outside the so called experts employed by BCC and their contractors. It would also appear that Bucks County Council as a whole do not monitor any works carried out whether by their own staff or that of contractors. But there again do those in charge or responsible at this level know what it takes to do a good job, I think not! Not an easy job to sort but good Councillors asking the correct questions would start to make a difference. The political parties should look to field candidates with the ability, commercial experience, great common sense, enough time and energy to do the job to a high standard. So those who are not up to it should move on.[/p][/quote]Martin Tett is not being given flawed information, he just wants to spread the money as widely and thinly as possible, making impossible for high standard work to be done anywhere. He would rather appear to be doing work everywhere than to be select about the roads they choose and do a good job on fewer locations. And like you said, councillors are not experts! They do like to think they are when they are dictating what they want though.[/p][/quote]I don’t think that this is true about all Cllrs - there are one or two very good ones, believe it or not! Darren Hayday
  • Score: -1

10:52am Wed 14 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

mistamina wrote:
miccles wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them.
But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.
I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times!
[quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.[/p][/quote]Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them. But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.[/p][/quote]I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times! Darren Hayday
  • Score: 1

11:52am Wed 14 May 14

mistamina says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
mistamina wrote:
miccles wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them.
But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.
I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times!
I do not know you, but i can guess you are a politician. Then you know the real problems at BCC, TFB & WDC.
You may have to risk getting unpopular, very unpopular with your Officers & Subcontractors by putting some tough and vigorous accountability in place.
Otherwise, sorry to say, you may be considered part of the system.
PS. well done on coming out and trying to be transparent. Novel and brave.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.[/p][/quote]Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them. But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.[/p][/quote]I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times![/p][/quote]I do not know you, but i can guess you are a politician. Then you know the real problems at BCC, TFB & WDC. You may have to risk getting unpopular, very unpopular with your Officers & Subcontractors by putting some tough and vigorous accountability in place. Otherwise, sorry to say, you may be considered part of the system. PS. well done on coming out and trying to be transparent. Novel and brave. mistamina
  • Score: 4

12:46pm Wed 14 May 14

Darren Hayday says...

mistamina wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
mistamina wrote:
miccles wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them.
But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.
I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times!
I do not know you, but i can guess you are a politician. Then you know the real problems at BCC, TFB & WDC.
You may have to risk getting unpopular, very unpopular with your Officers & Subcontractors by putting some tough and vigorous accountability in place.
Otherwise, sorry to say, you may be considered part of the system.
PS. well done on coming out and trying to be transparent. Novel and brave.
That's how I roll! - by not being in any political party you have the freedom to say what you think rather than what you’re told to say.. I'm only a part time politician though - that’s my cross to bear for not being in the system - which one day I hope very much will change as it’s not in the favour of the people but rather the parties!
[quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.[/p][/quote]Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them. But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.[/p][/quote]I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times![/p][/quote]I do not know you, but i can guess you are a politician. Then you know the real problems at BCC, TFB & WDC. You may have to risk getting unpopular, very unpopular with your Officers & Subcontractors by putting some tough and vigorous accountability in place. Otherwise, sorry to say, you may be considered part of the system. PS. well done on coming out and trying to be transparent. Novel and brave.[/p][/quote]That's how I roll! - by not being in any political party you have the freedom to say what you think rather than what you’re told to say.. I'm only a part time politician though - that’s my cross to bear for not being in the system - which one day I hope very much will change as it’s not in the favour of the people but rather the parties! Darren Hayday
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Wed 14 May 14

mistamina says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
mistamina wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
mistamina wrote:
miccles wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:
I know who I am wrote:
When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.
It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.
The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years.

They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.
Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them.
But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.
I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times!
I do not know you, but i can guess you are a politician. Then you know the real problems at BCC, TFB & WDC.
You may have to risk getting unpopular, very unpopular with your Officers & Subcontractors by putting some tough and vigorous accountability in place.
Otherwise, sorry to say, you may be considered part of the system.
PS. well done on coming out and trying to be transparent. Novel and brave.
That's how I roll! - by not being in any political party you have the freedom to say what you think rather than what you’re told to say.. I'm only a part time politician though - that’s my cross to bear for not being in the system - which one day I hope very much will change as it’s not in the favour of the people but rather the parties!
OK, but watch out! Bucks Social Justice in dangerously bad and the lies they feed you! Especially those with vested interests. All is not well in your Right-Wing Land.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I know who I am[/bold] wrote: When are the council going to sort out the road from the Pedestal roundabout through to the other side of West Wycombe Village. Its a nightmare through there.[/p][/quote]It is in the system and will be done - I'm hoping for it to be jet patched in the next month or so. I and the Parish Council have been onto BCC for some time and we've been waiting for the weather to be less wet as there was flooding there previously. The Council had started to tackle one side of the road leading to the roundabout when the bad flooding did recede.[/p][/quote]The road does not need jet patching, this needs stripping back and resurfacing, cost a bit more, but will not need doing again hopefully for many years. They were jet patching along the Pastures the other day, filling in the sames holes, that they did the last time, and the time before that, and so on, this jet patching is a waste of money and does not do the job properly, already where they have done The Pastures it is beginning to sink in, and that was from last week.[/p][/quote]Jet patching is adequate if done properly, then inspected by BCC before paying them. But why would any subcontractor patch anything properly, if they can be redone a year or so after and they know BCC do not bother to inspect.[/p][/quote]I wish that you could come and take over the running of BCC or TFB!! - I'm sure that we would get much better roads!! - This is true, the current system is not fit for purpose. However this is what we have and these are hard times for the public sector! - Very hard times![/p][/quote]I do not know you, but i can guess you are a politician. Then you know the real problems at BCC, TFB & WDC. You may have to risk getting unpopular, very unpopular with your Officers & Subcontractors by putting some tough and vigorous accountability in place. Otherwise, sorry to say, you may be considered part of the system. PS. well done on coming out and trying to be transparent. Novel and brave.[/p][/quote]That's how I roll! - by not being in any political party you have the freedom to say what you think rather than what you’re told to say.. I'm only a part time politician though - that’s my cross to bear for not being in the system - which one day I hope very much will change as it’s not in the favour of the people but rather the parties![/p][/quote]OK, but watch out! Bucks Social Justice in dangerously bad and the lies they feed you! Especially those with vested interests. All is not well in your Right-Wing Land. mistamina
  • Score: 2

4:11pm Wed 14 May 14

Bill Taxpayer says...

Some useful information here:
www.potholes.co.uk
Some useful information here: www.potholes.co.uk Bill Taxpayer
  • Score: 2

7:08pm Fri 23 May 14

MalteseFalcom says...

After having numerous tyre damage through the years,from potholes, this time I decided to claim. After completing the BCC forms I had to wait for 8 weeks for the first response. I responded to that correspondence then the response was another 8 week wait!!!! The only way to claim is to take BCC to the small claims court. As my tyre claim is only £65, BCC know the small claim court will cost £60 and a lot of my time, they rely on time wasting in replying to emails, poor correspondence and denying liability then hope you give up. That is why 95% of claims fail and not due to the BCC not being liable as they would like the public to think.
After having numerous tyre damage through the years,from potholes, this time I decided to claim. After completing the BCC forms I had to wait for 8 weeks for the first response. I responded to that correspondence then the response was another 8 week wait!!!! The only way to claim is to take BCC to the small claims court. As my tyre claim is only £65, BCC know the small claim court will cost £60 and a lot of my time, they rely on time wasting in replying to emails, poor correspondence and denying liability then hope you give up. That is why 95% of claims fail and not due to the BCC not being liable as they would like the public to think. MalteseFalcom
  • Score: 0

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