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Council: we're gritting more roads in Wycombe


THIS STORY WAS UPDATED THROUGHOUT MONDAY.

SHELTERS have been set up, hotels are full and Eden shopping centre is helping out stranded shoppers as the cold snap takes its toll on High Wycombe.

The police and Buckinghamshire County Council have tonight released a joint statement asking people to stay in their homes and urging motorists to stay in their vehicles or find alternative accommodation.

The authorities have set up four emergency shelters to house stranded residents.

These are the Wycombe Sports Centre, the Salvation Army in Frogmoor, Baptist Church in Easton Street, while Sainsbury’s and Morrisons have opened up their car parks.

Amersham Hill in the town centre has been closed to traffic, with officers directing motorists towards Beaconsfield.

Furious drivers have blasted county council chiefs over gritting. A road boss said earlier today that main roads were gritted but this was less effective as temperatures plummet. Minor roads were gritted where possible they said (see later).

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Supt George Wrigley said: “We advise people not to embark on a journey at this time unless it is absolutely necessary.

"If you are already on the road you should not abandon your car, but try to get to a safe place.

"Please leave contact details with your vehicle if is necessary to abandon it.

“If overnight accommodation is needed, we would advise motorists to stay with nearby friends or relatives, if possible, or to make use of hotel accommodation, or contact police or their local council."

Temporary shelters set up throughout the town are seeing more and more visitors arrive.

Rowena Robertson from Hazlemere and Margaret Boyne from Totteridge arrived at the Salvation Army in Frogmoor earlier this evening, having never previously met each other.

They have now agreed to meet for a cup of tea at a later date, having shared the same experience.

Mrs Robertson gave up trying to get home at 8pm, having left the Eden Centre’s car park at 4.15pm.

She said: “There’s a serious problem in High Wycombe with traffic.

“Where I come from in Shrewsbury, they have under-road heating on the major hills. We have got nothing, not even grit.”

Mrs Boyne added: “All this stems from the council not gritting the hills. It’s disgusting.”

Salvation Army Commanding Officer Tony Frost said: “We are just delighted to help. It’s the least we could do, especially if there’s no room at the various inns.

“It’s what Christmas is all about. There was no room for Jesus at the inn, so the least we could do was open our doors.”

Among those at the Salvation Army this evening were a party of seven from the Gray and Graham families, who had been to see the Aladdin pantomime at the Swan Theatre.

They decided to seek temporary accommodation at 10pm – having gone to the theatre’s matinee performance at 2.30pm.

Jean Graham said: “The Salvation Army have done a fantastic job and always make you feel welcome, but where are the gritters? Or anything, for that matter? It’s just appalling.”

Around a dozen pantogoers were still stuck at the Swan at midnight, with the last show having finished at 9.30pm.

Chefs rustled up some soup for the people unable to get going on their journey home.

The theatre had been on standby ready to take in people searching for a place to spend the night.

House manager Louise Mullan said: “Our staff have been absolutely fantastic. They have stayed behind to make sure people are happy and everyone’s in good spirits.”

The Baptist Church in Easton Street was also looking after people this evening, with up to eight rooms available should they be needed.

Erica Sage was trying to get home to Great Missenden when she gave up trying after being stuck in traffic for six hours.

She said: “You always see it on TV happening to other people and you never think it will be you.

“I’d just like to thank everyone here at the church. They have done a great job.”

Tim O’Brien, a police chaplain, said: “In a weird way, it’s been nice. We’ve never been set up as a shelter before.

“We always try to serve the community as and when we can. It’s been the traditional Christmas spirit and it’s better to be here than stuck in your car.”

Meanwhile, all 32 rooms at The Alexandra Hotel in Queen Alexandra Road are fully booked, while dozens of stranded people will spend the night in the hotel’s restaurant.

A female volunteer at the hotel, who would only give the name Wendy, is helping hotel staff answer the phones and making sure marooned guests are as comfortable as possible.

She said: “Things normally quieten down here at Christmas but all the rooms were snapped up before 6pm, many of which are local people.”

The Holiday Inn at Cressex reported all of its rooms were fully booked by 4.30pm and the Contractors Hotel in West Wycombe Road is also full.

The Papermill Premier Inn hotel is fully booked tonight after travellers gave up trying to get home and decided to check in.

Physiotherapist Andrew Dwar booked in after taking five and a half hours to get from Fitness First at Wycombe Retail Park, where he had been to the gym, to the hotel.

The 30-year-old said: “The car kept spinning and the power steering went. I thought, ‘I’m going to smash into another car’ so I decided to get a hotel.

“I’m a little bit frustrated. I don’t understand why the gritters did not go out earlier.

“Every time it snows in the UK everything grinds to a halt.”

Emma Robinson from Birmingham failed to get up Marlow Hill to get to the M40 to return home. It took her five hours and 40 minutes to get to the hotel.

The 23-year-old visual support manager said: “I’m laughing about it really. You either laugh or cry in situations like this.”

Reports on social networking website Twitter suggest more than 100 people are having to spend the evening at the John Lewis department store in Cressex as the traffic is so bad people are unable to get out.

‘Acuras web’ said in a Tweet: “Just back in High Wycombe from London. Horrible 5 hour journey. This weather is mental!”

‘Jessbarberx’ added: “I’m in High Wycombe and drove one mile in three and a half hours.”

Eden shopping centre is taking in ‘vulnerable shoppers’ into management suites to get them out of the cold and centre manager Daniel Tomkinson has not ruled out turning the multi-million pound complex into an over-night shelter.

He said: “We’ve got a few areas open to vulnerable people, such as the elderly and people with children, and we are making sure they are being kept warm.

“A number of people have left their cars with us and have decided to walk home, many are waiting a while to see if the roads improve, while others are completely stranded.

“We are trying to find these people alternative accommodation and I’m sure, if things do not improve over the coming hours, we will do what we can to get them home or help them.”

He added those that have left their cars over night would not be charged for parking.

Roads are gridlocked throughout Bucks tonight as residents hit out at council chiefs over gritting.

People are leaving their cars and buses having to abandon routes as traffic struggles with icy roads.

Many staff have had to return to work. Traffic is struggling to climb hills to neighbourhoods including Tylers Green, Wooburn Green and Totteridge.

This means it is having to flow into the centre of High Wycombe. Bucks Free Press deputy sports editor Alan Feldberg took four hours to get from Loudwater to Wycombe Cricket Club.

Cars were seen being pushed up Sheepridge Lane, near Little Marlow. As of 8pm traffic is queuing northbound on the M40.

Residents are writing of their frustrations on Twitter.

One said: "Is still stuck in High wycombe. No way I can get home."

Supermarkets are staying open to offer hot food and drinks to stranded shoppers.

Tesco in Loudwater is offering free tea and coffee to visitors and is offering use of its car park – but people are angry at being stuck at the store.

Checkout worker Glynis Stiff, 55, had been waiting to leave since 3.30pm when the Bucks Free Press spoke to her at 10.30pm – having been on duty since 6am.

The Hillview Road resident said: “Everyone is up in arms about the gritters. It’s disgusting. I wouldn’t have voted for the local councillor.”

One female customer, who asked not to be named, spent £149 on shopping this evening.

She said: “I came to miss the Christmas rush. I looked at all the dates. I wish I hadn’t bothered now.”

Ray Shefford of Cock Lane set out to the supermarket at 5.20pm – eventually arriving at 8.40pm.

The 60-year-old said: “I can’t understand why the roads haven’t been gritted. It has been widely reported that this weather was coming. I think it’s a disgrace.”

It was a similar story at the Morrisons store in the town centre, where the café has remained open long past closing time.

General manager Haffi Singardia said around 40 people were preparing to bed down at the supermarket for the evening.

One of them is disabled Christine Marshall – who three hours after leaving her car parking space had only made it as far as the store’s petrol station.

She said: “The whole of Wycombe was gridlocked. I can’t work out why the roads weren’t gritted. I live on Hillview Road and at no point since last Thursday have I seen a gritter.

“Morrisons have been useful, they’ve put our goods in the fridges and freezers. We are all pretty cheerful, considering we are all stuck.

“I was born in Wycombe and have never had this happen.”

A gritting boss today said crews were today salting “secondary” roads and refilling salt bins where possible.

But Si Khan, of Bucks County Council, said grit will be less effective as temperatures plummet further, to as cold as -10 degrees C in Wycombe last night.

Buckinghamshire County Council’s original policy was to grit major roads only and other roads and pavements if conditions are “prolonged”.

Gritters turned to these secondary routes yesterday, more than days after snow hit south Bucks.

Mrs Khan, BCC transport localities team leader, said: “Unfortunately, we only have a certain amount of resources.”

Town centre pavements were gritted on Friday and Sunday, she said.

But the “very rare” conditions meant residents will “not see any difference” to routes gritted overnight, she said. Grit is less effective under -8 digress C, she said.

The 360 gritting bins in Wycombe district were filled in September and October and will be today where possible, she said. Each takes half a tonne and lorries hold three tonnes.

But she said: “The salt is not there for your personal, private use. It is not there for your driveway.

“Some people are just being selfish, coming up with wheelbarrows.”

A Hawksmoor Close, High Wycombe resident wrote on our website: “Someone in a 4x4 came and filled the back of their vehicle with it. Now it’s completely empty.”

Ambulance bosses tonight said they were escalating their alert level.

This means more patients will be transferred in ambulance cars "where clinically appropriate" and all clinical staff are "available to work and support the frontline".

Many residents are angry with the council’s response (see link, bottom of story).

Deeds Grove, High Wycombe resident Janice Atkinson said: “How dare they put our lives in danger? We all knew there was going to be heavy snow on Thursday evening.”

Ken Law hit out at an article in the Conservative-controlled council’s Buckinghamshire Times magazine, delivered to homes at taxpayers’ expense. This “boasts” of 10,500 tonnes of salt stocks, he said.

He said: “As of this cold Sunday evening I suspect they are still filled with 10,500 tonnes because I have not seen a single gritter on the roads.”

Residents are being urged to drive only where essential as cars struggle with icy conditions.

A driver had a miraculous escape after losing control and mounting a pavement in Totteridge Road (see pic, right) – only to wedge between a wall and a parked car.

Witness Steve Walker said: “I've seen the gritters go up Totteridge Hill only twice in two days and the amount of grit they were spraying out was pathetic, really pitiful.”

Buckinghamshire Hospitals NHS Trust said: "During the recent adverse weather conditions, all of the services run by Buckinghamshire hospitals have remained open.

"While some staff have had difficulty travelling to work, all planned outpatient and inpatient appointments are continuing.

"Patients have been encouraged to call in advance and rearrange if they feel they cannot get to hospital safely due to the weather.

"Over the last few days, we have seen an expected increase in A&E attendances and emergency admissions to our hospitals, including those who have fallen and those with chest infections.

"The Trust would like to thank all staff for their continued effort - we value their support during this time."



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Hit me, HARD! says...
1:24pm Mon 21 Dec 09

“The salt is not there for your personal, private use. It is not there for your driveway."

WTF? Whats it there for then? For us to throw on the roads? Surely that would be your job?

If not, please tell me where I collect the keys to one of those big trucks...

MandyD, High Wycombe says...
1:34pm Mon 21 Dec 09

"No more snow is forecast for south Bucks by The Met Office"

What is that white stuff falling out of the sky now then?

Tharus Bond, Flackwell Heath says...
1:35pm Mon 21 Dec 09

it is to be used to clear the road and pavement where you live if it isn't on a salting route!
It is there for residents to use but not to clear your drive! thats what the bag of rock salt from wickes is for!
Thor must be fighting Ymir again!

SDJones, Hazlemere says...
1:54pm Mon 21 Dec 09

um its snowing now!

bexs60, Lane End says...
1:59pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Town centre pavements were gritted on Friday and Sunday, she said.

Really, they werent gritted round on Frogmore, Chiltern Centre, Sport and Ski, White Hart Street area, or do we not have shops there then! Lots of people falling over, wonderful ice rink!

Milford12, High Wycombe says...
2:19pm Mon 21 Dec 09

AND WE'RE GRITTING OUR TEETH....JUST TSYA HOME PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

pumpkin, High Wycombe says...
2:21pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Hit me hard - I will if you are so selfish.

Rikard, Downley says...
2:25pm Mon 21 Dec 09

***AN APPEAL***
The council say we wouldn't be prepared to pay for gritting, that they can't afford it. They know it's a false economy and just pushes the cost onto the NHS who have to fix people, onto local businesses who lose out and back onto us who have to tackle something we are not equipped to do (although we try).

QUESTION: IF THE COUNCIL ADDED £2.50 TO £5 ONTO YOUR COUNCIL TAX BILL AND RINGFENCED THAT MONEY FOR GRITTING, CARRYING IT FORWARD IF IT'S NOT NEEDED, WOULD *YOU* PAY IT?

***PLEASE LET THE BFP KNOW IF YOU WOULD PAY***

Everyone I've asked said they would. The council hasn't the imagination or the will to keep us safe and moving - saying they can't afford it is disingenuous. The snow has been prolonged and it's an impossible task now. Reports from neighbouring counties show IT CAN BE DONE.

STOP SPLURGING *OUR* MONEY ON STUPID WHIMS, SANDWICHES AND EXPENSES AND TAKE YOUR JOB SERIOUSLY - YOU REALLY HAVE *NO* EXCUSE.

If the authorities don't have an idea of how to fix it - go out onto the streets and ask the people of Wycombe - there are plenty of common sense things you could do BUT YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US. Or are you implying we are, to the last person, *ALL* stupid???

THIS BEGGARS BELIEF!

Slacker, Flackwell says...
2:30pm Mon 21 Dec 09

They are saying that no more snow is going to fall but..

a) it is snowing right not

b) if they read the link they quote to for the met office they would see snow is forecast for between 3-6pm.

5george31, flackwell heath says...
2:45pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Slacker wrote:
They are saying that no more snow is going to fall but..

a) it is snowing right not

b) if they read the link they quote to for the met office they would see snow is forecast for between 3-6pm.
Absolutely!!!!! Just had a 30 minute downpour here in Chesham.....

Rikard, Downley says...
2:52pm Mon 21 Dec 09

For the record it started snowing in Wycombe around 13:30 - where the new snow is on top of ice it's treacherous.
I've just realised that the council has a different definition of what "PROLONGED" means - do they mean months??
A BIG THANKYOU TO THE EMERGENCY SERVICES - HEARD THE SIRENS ALL DAY IN WYCOMBE AS THEY DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES AS BEST THEY CAN.

The Pigs, High Wycombe says...
2:59pm Mon 21 Dec 09

We live on Deeds Grove and according to the WCC website this road is a Salt Route!! as it is a Bus Route. The bus tried on Saturday morning, it just got past our house then had to let everyone off because the road was still treacherous - and still is three days later.
It is supposed to be bin day so I can see it will be two weeks until it gets emptied as I guess they would not have made it up the hill.
I just find it alarming that with what we are made to pay each year that there seems to be an inversely proportional relationship to the cost vs. service, the more we pay the less we get.
How much more notice did our Council need about the weather, we all know the Met Office gets it wrong but....
I do believe that WCC are so worried about the current blame culture and being sued by someone who slipped over on a treated stretch. Yesterday Eden Car Park saying 520 Free Spaces.. They were only free because all the rooftop areas were shut off owing to snow - took 30mins to find a space - what a total farce!!

dippy d, High Wycombe says...
3:02pm Mon 21 Dec 09

"No more snow is forecast for south Bucks by The Met Office (see link, bottom of story)."

1) Right so what's been falling from our skies in the last hour n a half?

2) If you look at the met office website issued by the BFP, it quite clearly had snow to fall between now and tonight.

3) What an idiot that driver is for going in the wall, quite clearly that aint a UK number plate

DeepThinker, Wycombe says...
3:02pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Rikard, if you had asked people BEFORE the event whether they would spend and extra £5 on council tax to be used for gritting roads, etc, you would have been told to "go away".
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Now there is a problem (which, despite your protestations otherwise, is similar in other counties) people are only too willing to say "Oh yes, I would've paid extra!!"
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Get real!

Blaze Falconburger, High Wycombe says...
3:05pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I travelled to Hertfordshire this morning for work, and as per last year as soon as I pass the Bucks/Herts border the snow hasn't stopped, but the roads have been properly gritted. Incredible difference. Lack of service by Bucks CC.

Rikard, Downley says...
3:08pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@DeepThinker - I totally agree with your point - I am trying to be real - if the council implemented this idea and administered it properly people would notice the change and come to accept the cost - which doesn't happen every year.
I don't accept we humans can't crack this - I'm offering ideas to fix it - someone come up with someone better by all means. I've lived in areas that *do* do a whole lot better than Bucks - something is not quite right with what the authorities are saying - they need taking to task.

Rikard, Downley says...
3:12pm Mon 21 Dec 09

BTW - notice the reports coming in about crossing into Herts from Bucks or crossing into Berks from Bucks - I tend to believe people who've witnessed it and I don't see why they would lie.

miccles, Downley says...
3:15pm Mon 21 Dec 09

"The 360 gritting Bins were filled in September and October""

Umm Which year was this then????

I haven't seen grit in the bin near me for, well lost count how many years.

There just a bunch of morons like WDC.

678, Marlow says...
3:15pm Mon 21 Dec 09

no pavemets have been gritted in Marlow at all!

Blaze Falconburger, High Wycombe says...
3:19pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I spoke to my brother at the weekend who lives & works in Belgium. They have had more snow than Bucks has yet everybody seems to be able to continue on. He says they are using an alcohol based solution put down on the roads before the snow falls. He says it's probably more costly than gritting, but it is definitely more effective. It then reduces costs to businesses and local authorities as they can continue to function normally.

Rikard, Downley says...
3:22pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I'll bet that if someone could actually calculate the cost (financially at least) of the disruption then the cost of gritting wouldn't come anywhere close. Whatever way you rig it - WE PAY ANYWAY!

ferrellcat, the grass says...
3:44pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I think business should cough up for some of this cost they use the transport system.The roads are there livelihood so Put a levee on them at the start of the year. No council wants this extra cost and some never incur it.You cant store away one sunny day from the summer and bring it out when the snow is on the ground.it has to be paid for with material and labour.If business expects its staff to be at work then it has an obligation to address the snow issue

Hit me, HARD! says...
4:05pm Mon 21 Dec 09

pumpkin wrote:
Hit me hard - I will if you are so selfish.
Excellent. See you in Micklefield spreading the stuff by hand sometime soon then.

I live up in the posh bit - please make sure you a thorough.

Presumably when you have done that you will be happy to empty the bins? Just another job I pay the council to do, but since you are willing to do it for free....

Blaze Falconburger, High Wycombe says...
4:11pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@ferrellcat - no, businesses should not be responsible for the cost. If businesses want to remain operational then they should be ensuring that disaster recovery plans are implemented - i.e. in this case people can work from home. VOIP can bring your office phone to your laptop and is secure when tunnelled through a VPN, along with email and other other bespoke apps. But not all jobs enable people to work like this. All people who are required to physically work cannot benefit from this, and these people will still have to travel. But also people travel for other reasons - to buy food, to visit or check on elderly friends/relatives, and numerous other varied reasons.

But the most important issue is that we are already paying for the service - everybody pays council tax, only we are not getting the service. I doubt out gravel bin will be refilled until next September - October.

678, Marlow says...
4:11pm Mon 21 Dec 09

ferrellcat wrote:
I think business should cough up for some of this cost they use the transport system.The roads are there livelihood so Put a levee on them at the start of the year. No council wants this extra cost and some never incur it.You cant store away one sunny day from the summer and bring it out when the snow is on the ground.it has to be paid for with material and labour.If business expects its staff to be at work then it has an obligation to address the snow issue
they do, its called business rates and corporation tax

Blaze Falconburger, High Wycombe says...
4:12pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Business pay local business rates anyway!

Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
4:28pm Mon 21 Dec 09

My post came today... thanks!

A paper collection took place too... thanks!

My shopping came today... thanks.. and phew...!

Lots of Bucks snowflakes stacking up outside. My road looks like my garden and my garden looks like my road.

Oh, and I saw 2 gritters about a while ago on a nearby A road going about their business quietly and efficiently.

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
4:35pm Mon 21 Dec 09

In Gwynedd North Wales they would have gritted all of the roads even the minor ones along with the pavements at the first sign of a frost let alone snow. and the council tax there was just over £600 per year instead of being in excess of £1200 so why exactly would WDC need more cash to do the job properly? if they spent less cash on being politically correct and translating all of their documents into god knows how many languages and stopped concentrating on apeasing one racial group within the town (not white or black ;) ) they would have not only enough cash to grit the roads properly but also to keep the swimming pool open for everybody.

Tharus Bond, Flackwell Heath says...
4:55pm Mon 21 Dec 09

if you do research you will find that salt isn't a cure for it! after a certain temperature salt will stop working. on howstuffworks.com it says that a 10 percent salt solution freezes at -6 degrees.

I think that the frost giants are beating Thor maybe we need to call in the human torch

mitch1, Widmer End says...
5:00pm Mon 21 Dec 09

No rubbish collection-No post for 3 days ?????????

Voyeur, HW says...
5:45pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Why is the council spokesperson talking about minus 8 and minus 10???
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Those sort of low temperatures have not even been mentioned by the met office for this area.
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It sounds like a cop out to me.
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They never gritted the 1 in 5 gradient road C ock Lane and there have been multiple crashes just below the railway bridge.
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The traffic lights are out.
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One skidding car took out a street light and then crashed into another car.
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The road is now impassable.

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
5:47pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Not sure why they mentioned -8 and -10? but it was -5 at 8am this morning

gem1982, High Wycombe says...
6:11pm Mon 21 Dec 09

The Pigs wrote:
We live on Deeds Grove and according to the WCC website this road is a Salt Route!! as it is a Bus Route. The bus tried on Saturday morning, it just got past our house then had to let everyone off because the road was still treacherous - and still is three days later. It is supposed to be bin day so I can see it will be two weeks until it gets emptied as I guess they would not have made it up the hill. I just find it alarming that with what we are made to pay each year that there seems to be an inversely proportional relationship to the cost vs. service, the more we pay the less we get. How much more notice did our Council need about the weather, we all know the Met Office gets it wrong but.... I do believe that WCC are so worried about the current blame culture and being sued by someone who slipped over on a treated stretch. Yesterday Eden Car Park saying 520 Free Spaces.. They were only free because all the rooftop areas were shut off owing to snow - took 30mins to find a space - what a total farce!!
I completely agree!!!

I just found the WCC website that you have seen and they quite boldly advertise which roads are a Salt Route!!
Like yourselves, we also live on a hill which is a bus route and yep, you guessed it, it's a 'Salt Route'. Only thing is, we haven't seen a gritting lorry at all, so where have they been gritting??!!

I think it's about time the council start thinking about the consequesces of their actions (or lack of them) before someone gets seriously injured!!!!

Good luck with the bins, if ours doesn't get emptied on Thursday we'll have to go 2 and a half weeks without it being emptied and it's nearly full already!

They have a lot to answer for...

George1, Wycombe says...
6:19pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Here in Wycome we pay 500% MORE COUNCIL TAX than those in the North, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland so stop this talk about paying more for gritting.

I confirm the Herts clear due to gritting posting and that it ceased on entering Bucks.

Wycombe needs a public enquiry into their poor management of council services.
IS THIS THE BEST THE CONSERVATIVES CAN DO?

Rikard, Downley says...
6:28pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I can't wait for BCC to tell the WHOLE county *WHY* we are wrong (I.E. STUPID) - why more gritting wouldn't have made a difference (that's gritting before it got impossible) - why we are mistaken when we say we haven't seen the routes they say they grit being gritted (and I promise you we *are* looking out for them) - if only we accepted we were thick and ignorant eh BCC? You are going to have to really think up some clever technical sounding BS (and you surely will). WE ARE NOT SCHOOLKIDS - YOU ARE NOT TEACHERS - STOP PATRONISING US AND DO WHAT YOU ARE PAID TO DO! THIS IS VERY VERY DANGEROUS!

BB30, Prestwood says...
6:40pm Mon 21 Dec 09

So to resolve this problem in the future what do we do?

Don't vote in a Conservative Party that aren't prepared to put the safety of their constituents first by spending the money paid by those constituents to ensure their safety and wellbeing during extreme times. Its a fat lot of good having healthy reserves of our hard earned money if they never spend it when its needed!!!

This applies to both County and District Councils. Yes we all need to have savings for hard times so just how hard does it have to get?

deecee01, high wycombe says...
6:41pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Wycombe is a hell hole this evening due to the heavy snow fall.

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
6:43pm Mon 21 Dec 09

It's not only the tories that we shouldn't be voting in but the top three parties as a whole, lets not forget that they have all had members on WDC for years and just look at what a shambles this town is in.

Rikard, Downley says...
6:51pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Let's not forget the bus management who sent their experienced drivers out, on their own, with only their own personal mobiles, despite them predicting they'd have problems - because they are afraid of "losing mileage" and being fined by the council.
Oh yeah - everyone is having to walk - so everyone is talking to each other - this is where "divide and rule" breaks down. I just passed a big group of chickens on the hill - they were all stranded - they were trying to come home to roost - at least they are on their way ;-)

chesham20, Chesham says...
6:54pm Mon 21 Dec 09

It's outrageous what they are NOT doing. The council are inept and pathetic. A friend of mine who I met on Saturday lives in Slough, she'd had no snow but her road had been gritted 5 times. Once in Bucks would be a miracle..

waseem, high wycombe says...
6:55pm Mon 21 Dec 09

come on guys how on earth do expect the council to pay for gritting? they just have lost all of our money in icelandic banks,
i find this funny earlier on his afternoon around 15:00 i was driving through west wycombe and desbrough area and through town behind a gritting lorry it was driving with a amber light on around these areas showing people that they are gritting guess not a single piece of gritting took place whilst i was behind this lorry.

just buy a packet of salt from a local shop and put it on the pavement outside your house! i think we are accepting allot from the council nothing is going to happen (be safe)

SDJones, Hazlemere says...
6:58pm Mon 21 Dec 09

we are now snowed in here in Hazlemere the traffic is backed up for miles and no one will be going to work tomorrow Wycombe will be dead!

Shelley61, says...
6:59pm Mon 21 Dec 09

sidthesexist wrote:
Not sure why they mentioned -8 and -10? but it was -5 at 8am this morning
The weather forecast talks about air temperature - in times of prolonged cold spells like this one the ground temperature will be much lower, and hence why the grit is so ineffective.

What's caught people out today is the fact that it wasn't predicted to be so bad, and came much earlier than predicted too... I know I'm going to sound like a cliche now but it's definitely the "wrong type of snow" - the other stuff was powdery, but this stuff's wet and heavy - I have a tree in my front garden that looks like it's about to lose a branch or two under the weight...

I made it out at lunchtime today before the snow came, but otherwise haven't been out since Thursday evening... I count myself lucky that I can work from home, and have enough holiday days left that I don't lose out...

spottydotty, Naphill says...
7:08pm Mon 21 Dec 09

It was -9 in Naphill on Saturday morning, 8am.

mitch1, Widmer End says...
7:09pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Husband has been on a bus from Amersham to Cosy corner since 4.40pm,still not home and it's 7.10pm.

ferrellcat, the grass says...
7:12pm Mon 21 Dec 09

And what if there is snow in january and february.We wont have enough salt then.its sensible to restrict it to essential routes.This would have been the same outcome whoever runs the council.money is tight so who wants to spend it on weather related issues.Wycombe should get state funded salt due to the disproportionate amount of hills when compared with slough which is a billiard table in comparison

readerabc, High Wycombe says...
7:16pm Mon 21 Dec 09

left easton street car park just before 5pm
got as far as hospital by 6pm!

abandoned car (safely) and walked the 2.5 miles home!
cars stationary everywhere

gritter lorry stuck in traffic!!

Rikard, Downley says...
7:21pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Shelley61 wrote:
sidthesexist wrote:
Not sure why they mentioned -8 and -10? but it was -5 at 8am this morning
The weather forecast talks about air temperature - in times of prolonged cold spells like this one the ground temperature will be much lower, and hence why the grit is so ineffective.

What's caught people out today is the fact that it wasn't predicted to be so bad, and came much earlier than predicted too... I know I'm going to sound like a cliche now but it's definitely the "wrong type of snow" - the other stuff was powdery, but this stuff's wet and heavy - I have a tree in my front garden that looks like it's about to lose a branch or two under the weight...

I made it out at lunchtime today before the snow came, but otherwise haven't been out since Thursday evening... I count myself lucky that I can work from home, and have enough holiday days left that I don't lose out...
@Shelley61 - I hear what you're saying but if BCC had been on the job before the long forecast snow started this fresh fall wouldn't be sitting on top of a layer of packed ice.
And I also have noticed that even though the gritters have been by they don't seem to have been putting grit on the road.
I don't care what the authorities say - I've lived in deep rural Scotland - I've driven through roads with 10ft+ walls of snow at either side - I've seen every type of snow - if you pro-actively grit/salt the roads - if you err on the side of caution - if there is a will there is a way.
BCC took a chance that they could save some money - they know the price of the grit but not the value of it.
MAJOR FAIL

joc378, High Wycombe says...
7:27pm Mon 21 Dec 09

My partner left work at 3:30 and is still stuck near Marlow!

good deed, Downley says...
7:30pm Mon 21 Dec 09

to the reader who complained about the 4x4 emptying the salt bin in Hawksmoor, that was me and i was gritting the top of the road on Wren vale and hawksmoor, to help the people that live there get the cars out, i was gritting for 2 hours with no help, so please don’t judge people before finding out the whole story, who do you think cleared those roads certainly not the council

fuzzier, wycombe says...
7:51pm Mon 21 Dec 09

well said good deed, people jump to conclusions far too quick!!

MalteseFalcom, High Wycombe says...
8:07pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Voyeur wrote:
Why is the council spokesperson talking about minus 8 and minus 10??? . Those sort of low temperatures have not even been mentioned by the met office for this area. . It sounds like a cop out to me. . They never gritted the 1 in 5 gradient road C ock Lane and there have been multiple crashes just below the railway bridge. . The traffic lights are out. . One skidding car took out a street light and then crashed into another car. . The road is now impassable.
Every year snow has fallen in High Wycombe and every year the same excuses by WDC. How many accidents or deaths does it take before WDC act to make the roads safe during this period. Do they put a value on peoples lives? Like most of society today, WDC are happy to take your money but do not give the service in return. I called both the police and WDC to raise my concerns about the icy conditions on **** Lane, asking them to grit and close this road, due to the icy conditions causing cars to slide down the road. There are now abandoned cars at the bottom of the road blocking it. They had plenty of notice that the snow was coming, so why the lack of action? A boycott on council tax is called for I think.

Rikard, Downley says...
8:09pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Getting an ambulance up a Wycombe hill, back down and then onto Stoke Mandeville? It doesn't bear thinking about - BFP - ANY REPORTS?
Saw a Police car on blue lights "rushing" to an emergency - at about 20mph and skidding.
DON'T TELL US YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO GRIT - WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THE EXPENSE ANYWAY - BUT ON DIFFERENT BUDGETS - TO PAY POLICE OVERTIME AND THE EXTRA EXPENSE THEY'VE INCURRED TRYING TO SORT OUT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR EXAMPLE.

faisal mahmood, sands says...
8:21pm Mon 21 Dec 09

no ivor

HASAN786, high wycombe says...
8:27pm Mon 21 Dec 09

They have got the salt but they just wont grit the **** roads
so dont pay your council tax because then they will think twice about not gritting the roads

wayneo, bucks says...
8:32pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Rikard wrote:
***AN APPEAL*** The council say we wouldn't be prepared to pay for gritting, that they can't afford it. They know it's a false economy and just pushes the cost onto the NHS who have to fix people, onto local businesses who lose out and back onto us who have to tackle something we are not equipped to do (although we try). QUESTION: IF THE COUNCIL ADDED £2.50 TO £5 ONTO YOUR COUNCIL TAX BILL AND RINGFENCED THAT MONEY FOR GRITTING, CARRYING IT FORWARD IF IT'S NOT NEEDED, WOULD *YOU* PAY IT? ***PLEASE LET THE BFP KNOW IF YOU WOULD PAY*** Everyone I've asked said they would. The council hasn't the imagination or the will to keep us safe and moving - saying they can't afford it is disingenuous. The snow has been prolonged and it's an impossible task now. Reports from neighbouring counties show IT CAN BE DONE. STOP SPLURGING *OUR* MONEY ON STUPID WHIMS, SANDWICHES AND EXPENSES AND TAKE YOUR JOB SERIOUSLY - YOU REALLY HAVE *NO* EXCUSE. If the authorities don't have an idea of how to fix it - go out onto the streets and ask the people of Wycombe - there are plenty of common sense things you could do BUT YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US. Or are you implying we are, to the last person, *ALL* stupid??? THIS BEGGARS BELIEF!
Ask the same question when it's nice and sunny and you will get a different answer.

mykey, says...
8:32pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I'd like to clarify what exact problem grit or salt is supposed to solve. How effective is it meant to be when it's still snowing, at what temperatures, and for how much snow. Just wondering if there's an unrealistic expectation of the "magical" properties of these substances? After all, in countries where these conditions are more commonplace don't drivers resort to more serious measures like snow chains?

kazza290, Stokenchurch says...
8:36pm Mon 21 Dec 09

WYCOMBE HAS BEEN DECLARED IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY.....ALL ROADS CLOSED....MOTORWAY CLOSED......EDEN AND LEISURE CENTRE ARE OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO SLEEP

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
8:37pm Mon 21 Dec 09

From what i can gather it isn't really salt they put down but a combination of rock salt and grit? so if the sale doesn't melt the snow the grit will help by giving a little extra traction?

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
8:40pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Kazza290 - where did you get this info from? My husband is stuck on the M40 and Im trying to work out the best route for him to get home :-(

kazza290, Stokenchurch says...
8:45pm Mon 21 Dec 09

it has just been announced at the Wycombe Swan theatre. travelbug....those on the M40 already should be ok but it is taking ages....i can hear traffic moving.

fuzzier, wycombe says...
8:46pm Mon 21 Dec 09

its at times like these that we need a local radio station to let us know what the hell is going on!!

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
8:46pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Thanks for replying Kazza...he has been on the road for 3 hours now and is only about half way home...so worried :-(

Rikard, Downley says...
8:50pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@wayneo - so true! But people wouldn't pay for most of the things the council do if they were asked - that's why the council has mandatory duties which are agreed through the democratic process with the good of all in mind. I.E. That's *exactly* what they are here for.
@mykey - we've barely had any snow compared to "those" places - yes, at a certain point you have to give up and you're snowed in - "those places" have this much snow at least for the whole winter with bouts of much more - but at this level things would still be moving. Having lived in one of "those" places (in mountains) I can assure you that this level of snow (if not more) lasts for months. We have a problem down here because it's infrequent - when it comes the problems are caused mainly by inexperienced drivers blocking up the roads - which is understandable - if anything it's more dangerous down here - all the more reason to grit the roads aggressively - like in our neighbouring counties by all accounts.

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
8:51pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Totally agree fuzzier - at least those stuck in cars would know what was going on and where to avoid if need be. My husband and I struggled into work today...but when he has been stuck for 3 hours trying to get home - and I fell over on my way home, you can see why some people choose to take a day off, paid or unpaid.

Hit me, HARD! says...
8:55pm Mon 21 Dec 09

mykey. Grit is basically a mixture of salt & sand. The principle is that salt reduces the freezing point of water, hence turning ice back into water (or snow into water). The sand is there for grip.

The more salt, the lower the freezing point - down to a chilly -21 degrees. However, at -21 you need to have about 20% salt in the water, so for 4cm of snow, you would need and extra 1cm of salt. (although not strictly true as the measurement is done by weight, not volume).

Clearly thats not practical - we would all need 4x4's to get through the layer of salt, never mind the snow! The figures they mention of -8 to -10 are based upon the concentration of salt that can be practically obtained at the road surface only (approx 10%). This prevents the snow about being bound to the road, and hence is it removed mechanically (Sludged up) as you drive over it.

The reason many countries don't bother, is that temperatures there are regularly below -10, so they would be wasting time & money even trying. For these countries other solutions, such as snow chains are more common.

Its worth pointing out that snow chains would not work over here as a rule - for them to be effective you need deep snow - not the couple of inches we have.

...which means, we are stuck. Cant defrost the roads, and cant drive on them using other solutions.

So whilst a lot of people on here are moaning and saying they would pay more, the council are actually right (for once). When its as cold as it has been the past day or so, there is little point.

Tonight & tomorrow though - forecast of for a warmer -2, so lets hope they get on it soon.

Aramis, Holmer Green says...
9:14pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Abandoned my car near Handy Cross at about 5pm and then walked/ran home to Holmer Green.

All roads with the slightest hill were impassable. Some people are really suffering this evening.

Didn't see one police car or fire engine.

bmchutch1, Downley says...
9:14pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I work in London and arrived back in Wycombe this evening at 7.15. The roads and pavements were blocked by abandoned cars all the way to the Pastures. There was even a bus sitting just at the top of the hill. The town centre was grid locked. I had to help push 3 cars just to get them off the road. I passed a gritter in Frogmore just sitting there, that said it wasn't going to be moving very soon as all the roads were blocked by other traffic. Now the lights are beginning to blink at home uh-oh!!

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
9:16pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Poor you Aramis...whats Marlow Hill and the London Road currently like...?

Tansah, says...
9:19pm Mon 21 Dec 09

In the present world, there is something known as a Weather Forecast. Very useful at times like this.
The council must have known about the snow and they should have made this their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY to grit the roads, whatever the costs - obviously I don't pay tax so I don't hate the blasted thing yet, but at least spending the money on the Safety of the people, making the damned difference, would cause people to be less annoyed at any rises in tax.
But, the roads were not gritted sufficiently well. At least the one I live was not. So, members of the Council, why have you failed to take precautions against the incoming weather?
I am not affected by this as much as the drivers out there on the icy roads are, I don't drive, but I want to see some proper change. All the council ever seems to do is talk, make plans, and fail to carry them out.
The best way to get people on your side is to take obvious action - like gritting the roads properly.
It is complete rubbish that grit is not effective - and even if it isn't, then issue a warning and stop anyone from driving at all.
This may sound mad, but it is better than making excuses and sitting in traffic in the case of a driver.
Who cares if the shops or workplaces need to be stopped for one day - lives are more **** important!
I was being a bit aggressive, but I am only 14, lol. Sorry if you have been offended by this post, it was not intentional.
I hope in future, the council take proper action.

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
9:25pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Very well written Tansah. Ive read too many comments about people not making the effort to get into work - but when the roads are in the condition they are currently in, who wants to risk travelling! WDC should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves - and have a bloody awful lot to answer for. The grit bins along my road havent been refilled since the snow we had in February - none of the roads in Downley have been gritted and I am sick and tired of paying out council tax to a council that is not capable of supporting its residents.

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
9:28pm Mon 21 Dec 09

The grit bins may not have been refilled but have you also noticed that there are a fraction of the bins there used to be a decade or so ago? yet more penny pinching by our councilors while they continue to line their pockets at our expense.

Sarah R Smith, Bucks says...
9:34pm Mon 21 Dec 09

It's just taken me 4 hours and 20 minutes to drive from Wycombe to Bourne End. Ridiculous! What exactly do we pay council tax for, if they can't even grit the roads?

Tharus Bond, Flackwell Heath says...
9:34pm Mon 21 Dec 09

you want to blame someone? well blame the elements! and the laws of nature! you can't get something for nothing! A bit of effort from residents also in hindsight would have helped! a bag of rock salt in your garage! on roads that aren't on the main gritting routes!

As mentioned earlier, salt stops working at certain temperatures!
say a prayer to god, the weather dieties anyone you think may help ease the burden of a beautiful white Christmas!!!!!!!
wheres the christmas spirit? it isn't even manufactured by the Doctor destroying an Alien space craft!

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
9:35pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Exactly sid - and its just not good enough!!!!! The residents in our road have been shovelling snow and gritting with their own salt etc over the weekend - but the snow shower tonight has put an end to the work that has been done. But who else can we rely on?

SDJones, Hazlemere says...
9:37pm Mon 21 Dec 09

thats a long way to walk Aramis, how bloody awful!

Rikard, Downley says...
9:41pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@Tansah - brilliant - I'm about 30 years ahead of you but your insight is a great credit to you. What happens in your next 30 years is that people like the council bombard you with science, mistruths, excuses and info you can't possibly check yourself - hold onto the common sense beliefs you have - the council wins eventually because you just get sick of listening to their complete and utter twaddle plus you have a life to get on with :-)
The science is all well and good - but in places where they have this level of snow all winter they do as you suggest and attack the snow with grit which means you don't get four layers compacted. Also - when you get to the point that temperatures are at -10C etc - it's not so bad because you have already cleared the previous falls - there is a load of grit on the road which gives traction - and the snow melts more when it can melt because of all the salt around.
If you don't grit and just leave it until the grit would be ineffective you get broken cars, people, lost business, OAP's stranded in their homes for 4 days and so on - BUT - later on, in April when the budgets are sorted you get a pat on the back for saving some of the money that the tax payers have already paid. This means there is money available for pay rises (only for the top management though - not the workers) and money left for councillors whim projects and expenses. There's a saying Tansah "Never believe a word you hear and only half of what you see!".

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
9:42pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Tharus Bond wrote:
you want to blame someone? well blame the elements! and the laws of nature! you can't get something for nothing! A bit of effort from residents also in hindsight would have helped! a bag of rock salt in your garage! on roads that aren't on the main gritting routes!

As mentioned earlier, salt stops working at certain temperatures!
say a prayer to god, the weather dieties anyone you think may help ease the burden of a beautiful white Christmas!!!!!!!
wheres the christmas spirit? it isn't even manufactured by the Doctor destroying an Alien space craft!
And why would we want to pay for our own salt when we used to have road salt bins at the ends of our roads payed for out of our council taxes until the bean counters at the council removed them

Aramis, Holmer Green says...
9:43pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Don't know about now but it was a mess when I walked down Marlow Hill and over the magic roundabout: cars everywhere - gridlock- many still with their engines running half-expecting (at that time) to soon be moving again. Same true when walking up Amersham Hill.

Some had a prang with a neighbouring car.

I really felt sorry for older drivers and those with young kids. Tried to advise several drivers just to pull over, abandon the car, and get to the nearest warm cafe. But some just took every inch forward as a positive sign (it was merely cars further up turning around!).

Got a pat on the back from someone at Cosy Corner when he realised I'd walked from Handy Cross...."yes that's why I look like Frosty the Snowman mate". :-)

Real "Spirit of the Blitz" stuff. :-)

But then a single fit young man with money and a phone can cope with a lot in these conditions.

Thank God my young kids weren't with me.

As the BFP indicates, there will be real anger when people have a chance to stop and think about this.

bmchutch1, Downley says...
9:44pm Mon 21 Dec 09

And I thought walking from the station to the far end of Downley was bad...hats off to you Aramis.

spottydotty, Naphill says...
9:46pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Husband and daughter left Marlow at 5pm. Finally abandoned car in Sands at 9pm having helped dig several others out at various points along the way. Just had call from hubby - they are walking to Naphill, and they've reached the Pedestal garage and he wanted to tell me that there are 'some lovely people working hard to help all along the way'.

'snice, innit. ;o)

Chelseafan, High Wycombe says...
9:50pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Desborough Avenue is a nightmare. It is like an ice rink with abandoned cars everywhere. Took my partner 3 hours to get from Handy Cross to home, and he had to leave his car at the top. He and some others have now just had to help push an ambulance (with it's blue lights on)up the Avenue after it got stuck. I did see a gritter come up the Avenue with it's flashing lights on, but with no grit in it. Why the hell hasn't this main route for the Ambulances been gritted? People are helping push cars that are getting stuck. Nice to see, but really dangerous.

Boss Man, High Wycombe says...
9:50pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Walked from the Train Station (having left my car there) to up by Asda. There seemed to be a fairly good atmosphere, with people helping each other, out of the cars chatting and joking. Someone was taking tea out from a house on Marlow Hill to a lorry parked up. Walking up Marlow Hill, two people on skis came whizzing down!!

rockyarsenal, Sands says...
9:52pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Gritting has been ongoing almost continuously since last week, as for today it has been ongoing all day, the one problem is that as soon as the roads get a little slippery drivers, drive either too fast and crash or rev their engines in 1st gear and get stuck.
Guess who is at the back of the queue behind these inept drivers, yes the very dedicated gritter drivers attempting to get back to the depot to refill with salt.
GRITTERS CANNNOT GRIT WHEN ROADS ARE GRIDLOCKED

BRIT70000, Widmer End says...
9:52pm Mon 21 Dec 09

To the Council for their consistent complacency and incompetence - Please pay attention to the Weather Warnings AND DO YOUR JOB.

To the people who ridicule those complaining about the Council - It's that attitude that has taken the "Great" out of "Great Britain".

To the people who have suffered or are still suffering because of the Council's failings (again) - here's to you getting home safely.

Rikard, Downley says...
9:56pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Sorry I'm commenting so much but this is ridiculous - on the subject of people - it must depend where you live but up here in Downley I have never seen such a patient, helpfull, good natured, empathetic and down right decent display of the good side of human nature. Many of us could have been sitting in the warmth but chose to lend shovels to stranded motorists, make tea for stranded bus drivers, escort OAP's who'd fallen up the hill, let folk borrow their phones, help pushed cars, comforted frantic people in emergencies, given advice on where to drive or not - in fact the only thing we were short of was the grit box that had been removed - or we would have all cleared the road which we practically did with just spades. AND (I hate to say it) there have been a few 4x4 drivers selflessly coming back time and time again to help drag cars out and keep us moving. All the while the street was full of laughter (what else can you do). I am seriously impressed with the large amount of people who have passed through Downley residents or not. Only a couple of selfish ones noticed - they are the ones who went skidding down the hill and smashing folks cars after ignoring everyone - because all they were thinking of is themselves.
It's not "US THE PEOPLE" who are at fault - not in Downley at least and I'm sure this has happened in a lot of places in Wycombe.

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
10:00pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Its nice to hear of the camaraderie taking place throughout these problems. At least we are all willing to help each other, when our own council wont help us!!! My husband has been on the roads for 4 hours now - for a 25 mile journey...and is still approx 6 miles from home!

Aramis, Holmer Green says...
10:02pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Hmm yes but my long yomp home was potentially foolhardy. I was really rather wet before I even hit Amersham Hill and being wet is not good in these conditions....but nothing a good jog couldn't alleviate (plus hot shower and a stiff brandy).

I do feel slightly guilty though; if I hadn't needed to keep warm all the way I could have helped others much more (as others were clearly able doing).

Anyway, bed beckons.

mistletoe, widmer end says...
10:02pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I managed to get down Cryers Hill at 3.30 today but by 4.15 only the brave or foolhardy ( and those with 4x4) could get back up. My husband had to walk from Wycombe Marsh to Widmer End as no-one was moving on the A40 at 5pm. You's think someone would have noticed it's been snowing since 1pm and started gritting. Maybe the council listened to the met office and couldn't decide for themselves that it's snowing. And no we've not seen a gritter out this week.

Hit me, HARD! says...
10:03pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Any more news on the emergency?

And anyone for a swim in the open air pool?

:-)

rockyarsenal, Sands says...
10:12pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Too busy moaning to listen to facts i see !

Aramis, Holmer Green says...
10:15pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Of course WDC could have been conditioned into believing we'll never ever have snow again courtesy of global warming.....

But that's another debate.

I'll get me coat ;-)

cmacca, Hyde Heath says...
10:18pm Mon 21 Dec 09

It has taken me 4 hours to get from Beaconsfield to Hyde Heath and I had to abandon my car about two miles from home, the main road from Amersham to Beaconsfield has no grit on it what so ever, the cars are literally sliding down it sideways, none of the hills in Amersham have been gritted and all of the side roads are completely unpassable, I was crying driving home as I was so scared, my car was snaking and sliding everywhere, what gets me is that Chiltern Council take nearly £200 per month of me in Council Tax and they cant be bothered to get the gritting lorries out there, there will be people injured tonight I went past at least 5 car crashes, so Chiltern how come AGAIN YOU ARE THE WORST PERFORMING COUNCIL IN THE UK !

Station Officer Steele, high wyc says...
10:19pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I left Wyc fire station at 5 tonight. It was, as mentioned above solid.

A 4x4 fire appliance from Aylesbury was trying to get into Wyc on blues helped by it's dismounted firefighters.

Up near Sands on the A40 an ambulance was trying to get out on blues. After helping shuffling some cars about for him, he thanked me and said he was taking a sick child to the JR in Oxford!!!..... hope hhe got there.

The main problem was the incline upto the traffic lights at Plomer Hill(?) sands junction.
Once I'd got thru there it was plain sailing(relatively) back to Risboro.

Glad I wasn't on duty tonight. Good luck to all getting home

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
10:19pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Sod the facts rockyarsenal - and your description of people moaning is correct and everyone that has someone stuck out there on the roads at the moment has a bloody good reason to!

rockyarsenal, Sands says...
10:22pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Yes who cares about facts, well said ! It better to have a really good uninformed moan !

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
10:22pm Mon 21 Dec 09

this article made me laugh so much! emergency shelters lol! it is a little bit of snow - my life has not been affected what so ever, have been out in to town this evening! done everything i would do noa normal night - the only problem the snow caused was to lose my sky signal for about 30 minutes

Rikard, Downley says...
10:23pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@rockyarsenal - "Gritting has been ongoing almost continuously since last week" - you need to remember that we don't all live with you and live your life. The quote above may be true near you but it's not near me and many other people - a fraction of which have commented here - there has been no grit here - I can see the road better than you can from Sands. "Moaning", as you call it, or giving our accounts of how this has affected us and how we have seen things done better elsewhere is how a picture is built of the reality of a situation.
It's better than "moaning" about people "moaning" just because they have had a different experience to you.

JACK-Wooburn, Wooburn Green says...
10:29pm Mon 21 Dec 09

My brother-in-law lives in Thame and works in Wycombe. He has been stranded in Wycombe since 4pm. A kind pub landlady is letting him and some others sleep in her pub. Now that's what I call a lock in. ;-)

rockyarsenal, Sands says...
10:31pm Mon 21 Dec 09

This is not just about Sands, this is the whole of the Wycombe District area has been gritted today starting this morning and it is ongoing, this sort of moaning can really demotivate the dedicated gritter drivers who are out there now as they have been for the past few days.

Rikard, Downley says...
10:33pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@rockyarsenal "the whole of the Wycombe District area has been gritted today starting this morning and it is ongoing"

TROLL ALERT

SG7, Penn says...
10:34pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Heads must roll for this. As a county we are so clearly not equipped. This has to stop. Lives have been put at risk tonight. I pity anyone seriously ill or in labour. I hope those Bucks County Councillors responsible for transport are ready for the backlash. Get writing!

nellyfire, high wycombe says...
10:34pm Mon 21 Dec 09

i question this to start...
all 32 rooms at The Alexandra Hotel in Queen Alexandra Road are fully booked
i phoned them this evening and they were quoting $400 per room. well done great weston people in need and you use it to make money. i will be making sure people avoid your hotel. people in high wycombe are on the streets this christmas and you are doing this,,, discusting..

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
10:35pm Mon 21 Dec 09

nellyfire wrote:
i question this to start... all 32 rooms at The Alexandra Hotel in Queen Alexandra Road are fully booked i phoned them this evening and they were quoting $400 per room. well done great weston people in need and you use it to make money. i will be making sure people avoid your hotel. people in high wycombe are on the streets this christmas and you are doing this,,, discusting..
you mean best western! simple business fact - supply and demand!

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
10:38pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Rocky - I live in Downley - and NONE of the roads have been gritted today, or over the weekend, or even last Thurs/Fri when the snow first fell. The roads around my road are filled with dumped cars, some displaying severe prangs. My husband has been on the roads for coming up to 5 hours now to drive a 25 mile journey - and is talking about abandoning the car and walking the remaining 6 miles because the traffic just isnt moving. If you dont like listening to the "moaning" within the comments on this story, then log off.

rockyarsenal, Sands says...
10:41pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Yes they have FACT ! jst because you don't see it happen it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.
I will now log off as you suggest, fed up with listening to ill informed rants.

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
10:44pm Mon 21 Dec 09

FACT...?!? How is this fact...? Have you patrolled every single road in HW following the gritters? My friend followed a gritter down the entirity of the West Wycombe Road...it had its amber lights on...but no grit was coming out. Where are your facts...??? And before you ask, I dont blame the gritters (because Im figuring you are one) - I blame WDC!!!!!!!

SG7, Penn says...
10:47pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Look at the number of comments posted on this subject! There is justified frustration and EVIDENCE that the roads have been not been sufficiently gritted since the snow first fell on Thursday night.
The Council have some serious explaining to do.

demoness, Hades says...
10:47pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Has it been snowing then?

chamach, high wycombe says...
10:50pm Mon 21 Dec 09

its absolutly ridiculous my sis nd aunty r stuk at stoke madavile nd dere no way 2 get dere so much traffic we gna leave dem dre till mornin

if the roads were salted we cud get dre atleast

arrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh
h/'p[

demoness, Hades says...
10:53pm Mon 21 Dec 09

chamach wrote:
its absolutly ridiculous my sis nd aunty r stuk at stoke madavile nd dere no way 2 get dere so much traffic we gna leave dem dre till mornin if the roads were salted we cud get dre atleast arrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh h/'p
Pardon?

erm, ermsville says...
10:54pm Mon 21 Dec 09

nellyfire wrote:
i question this to start... all 32 rooms at The Alexandra Hotel in Queen Alexandra Road are fully booked i phoned them this evening and they were quoting $400 per room. well done great weston people in need and you use it to make money. i will be making sure people avoid your hotel. people in high wycombe are on the streets this christmas and you are doing this,,, discusting..
if all the rooms were booked, why would they be quoting a price?

SG7, Penn says...
10:54pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I wonder how all the elderly, ill and vulnerable people affected tonight would receive that glib comment?And all the hospital staff ,police and firecrews who are left to pick up the pieces.

anj, says...
10:55pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I gave up & left my car in town in a WDC car park overnight & walked up to Totteridge - I wonder if they'll charge me for the parking when ticket runs out at 7am?!

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
10:57pm Mon 21 Dec 09

demoness wrote:
Has it been snowing then?
only a little

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
10:58pm Mon 21 Dec 09

london road is currently moving in both directions at the junction with easton street

deecee01, high wycombe says...
11:01pm Mon 21 Dec 09

SG7 wrote:
Look at the number of comments posted on this subject! There is justified frustration and EVIDENCE that the roads have been not been sufficiently gritted since the snow first fell on Thursday night.
The Council have some serious explaining to do.
Perhaps everyone should stand outside the council offices tomorrow and bombard the councillors with snowballs!

SG7, Penn says...
11:02pm Mon 21 Dec 09

here we go with the stupid glib people comments. you guys crack on. my guess is you are insensitive and smug in everything you say and do.

demoness, Hades says...
11:02pm Mon 21 Dec 09

fishyfingers wrote:
demoness wrote: Has it been snowing then?
only a little
It never snows in Hades so I did wonder what the fuss is about.

Stokey, High Wycombe says...
11:03pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Finally a taste of what will happen if the Conservatives take charge of the whole country again! the uk at a complete standstill, lack of action, talking rubbish, the end!

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
11:04pm Mon 21 Dec 09

SG7 wrote:
here we go with the stupid glib people comments. you guys crack on. my guess is you are insensitive and smug in everything you say and do.
what is a glib ?

demoness, Hades says...
11:07pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Stokey wrote:
Finally a taste of what will happen if the Conservatives take charge of the whole country again! the uk at a complete standstill, lack of action, talking rubbish, the end!
Yes it is totally the fault of the conservatives. It is also their fault that we have a global recession, the rain forests are being chopped down and probably the war in Afghanistan as well.
ALL of this is the fault of WDC!

Curse those tories.
Actually I blame Liverpool and Tescos for all of it.

demoness, Hades says...
11:08pm Mon 21 Dec 09

SG7 wrote:
here we go with the stupid glib people comments. you guys crack on. my guess is you are insensitive and smug in everything you say and do.
Yes, yes we are. Totally. It is a curse I am afraid but heigh ho.

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
11:10pm Mon 21 Dec 09

for the person who could not get to thame, why did you not get the train to thame parkway and walk! trains are running perfectly.

Rikard, Downley says...
11:13pm Mon 21 Dec 09

TROLL ALERT:-
fishyfingers
demoness

deecee01, high wycombe says...
11:15pm Mon 21 Dec 09

SG7 wrote:
here we go with the stupid glib people comments. you guys crack on. my guess is you are insensitive and smug in everything you say and do.
Last time I looked, I don't think I was a glib. Get over yourself already.

nellyfire, high wycombe says...
11:17pm Mon 21 Dec 09

pick up the pieces we never had fire cover for a number of hours tonight what would have happened if their was a house fire?
stuff your adds on the tv to test your smoke alarm from the government if we can not get a fully quillified crew thier because of the roads.. stop paying for adds and put the money on the front line...

demoness, Hades says...
11:18pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Rikard wrote:
TROLL ALERT:- fishyfingers demoness
Oh don't be so silly. We are merely pouring a little light heartedness into a situation that was getting very heated. ( or not as the case may be).

demoness, Hades says...
11:20pm Mon 21 Dec 09

SG7 wrote:
Heads must roll for this. As a county we are so clearly not equipped. This has to stop. Lives have been put at risk tonight. I pity anyone seriously ill or in labour. I hope those Bucks County Councillors responsible for transport are ready for the backlash. Get writing!
Yes I agree.
Decapitation or worse.

nellyfire, high wycombe says...
11:21pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Stokey wrote:
Finally a taste of what will happen if the Conservatives take charge of the whole country again! the uk at a complete standstill, lack of action, talking rubbish, the end!
have you not noticed we are run by labour.. this s==== is fron central government..

john_b, Wycombe says...
11:21pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I went sledging today, built a snowman, and had a snowball fight.

Sorry to hear about all the trouble!

Come round to mine for a mulled wine! Although you can't get a car in or out, so please walk.

fishyfingers, wycombe says...
11:22pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Rikard wrote:
TROLL ALERT:- fishyfingers demoness
demoness won't like being grouped with me!

you may think i am a troll but i fail to see what all the fuss is about, a little snow - and the temperature hoovering around 0 degrees. life goes on... pubs are still open, take aways are still open, the cinema is still open.

ido apprecaite the roads are quite dangerous mainly due to poor drivers, so thanks to all the emergency workers working tonight.

charliesmum, High Wycombe says...
11:24pm Mon 21 Dec 09

SO ANGRY
Just walked for 3 hours, picked up my son 2.5 hours late from nursery at had to push him all the way home in a pushchair in the snow. Anyone who thinks Amersham Hill / Road has been gritted, I'll gladly play hunt-the-grit with you...

demoness, Hades says...
11:28pm Mon 21 Dec 09

fishyfingers wrote:
Rikard wrote: TROLL ALERT:- fishyfingers demoness
demoness won't like being grouped with me! you may think i am a troll but i fail to see what all the fuss is about, a little snow - and the temperature hoovering around 0 degrees. life goes on... pubs are still open, take aways are still open, the cinema is still open. ido apprecaite the roads are quite dangerous mainly due to poor drivers, so thanks to all the emergency workers working tonight.
Ohh I don't mind being grouped in with you FF.
Go read Ivor's latest offering if you want to see over exaggeration at it's worst!

Rikard, Downley says...
11:33pm Mon 21 Dec 09

@charliesmum - I've played back the video of us trying to find some by digging through the layers on the Pastures Hill in various places - no one could find anything - can't even see it with HD & enhancement! There is some at the junction of Hughenden because someone brought a bucketfull up to help people get their cars out (one of those 'grit thiefs' LOL).

emmse, flackwell heath says...
11:42pm Mon 21 Dec 09

It took me and my family 4 hours to get from wycombe back home,there were very lovely people stood along a hill in Marlow pushing cars up the road,they were advising us what roads were bad etc,what would have happened if one of these lovely people slid and got stuck under a car??? Even their children were helping push cars up a hill that should have been GRITTED,also during the time we were stuck in traffic we saw ONE gritter....Disgustin
gly bad!!!!!

pennman, Penn says...
11:43pm Mon 21 Dec 09

3 hours to get back from B'field old town to Penn, then a further hour of shuttle runs to rescue people on Pauls Hill!!! Time for a well-earned sleep now.

demoness, Hades says...
11:44pm Mon 21 Dec 09

I thought the most innane remark from the council was advising people not to walk on ungritted pavements in the shade!
I mean WTF!

Slacker, Flackwell says...
11:44pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Flackwell Heath is inaccessible now. Unless you have super tyres or wings, nobody is getting in or out of flackwell. All the hills are either too dangerous with stacks of abandoned cars or they have been closed.

demoness, Hades says...
11:45pm Mon 21 Dec 09

pennman wrote:
3 hours to get back from B'field old town to Penn, then a further hour of shuttle runs to rescue people on Pauls Hill!!! Time for a well-earned sleep now.
Gosh your skoda is amazing!

mary46, stokenchurch says...
11:45pm Mon 21 Dec 09

my daughter left loudwater at 5pm and has just phoned to say she is at a standstill on the west wycombe road. she has described Wycombe town centre as Armegeddon

Elmo, High Wycombe says...
11:49pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Two things I know. The M4 is a lot clearer of ice than the A404, so it's possible to clear the roads if gritted properly; and two, I'm glad I threw in my sleeping bag this morning 'cos I'm kipping in the car.

emmse, flackwell heath says...
11:51pm Mon 21 Dec 09

Slacker wrote:
Flackwell Heath is inaccessible now. Unless you have super tyres or wings, nobody is getting in or out of flackwell. All the hills are either too dangerous with stacks of abandoned cars or they have been closed.
It took my husband 40mins to get up the dip (near the old Magpie pub),abso nightmare,cars sliding all over,but apparently people were charging £5 a push...

Slacker, Flackwell says...
11:54pm Mon 21 Dec 09

A SNOW PLOUGH!!! A snow plough has just gone through flackwell. At last!!

Eachban, High Wycombe says...
11:58pm Mon 21 Dec 09

As I understand it gritting is significantly more effective when done as prevention than it is when it is done as cure. So the main routes should have been gritted this morning/lunchtime in expectation of the forecast snow and freeze this afternoon and tonight.
.
There is no evidence of Amersham Hill having been adequately gritted today. When the snow started, it was lying pretty much immediately. Ergo no grit.
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This is a very rare occurrence in these parts. Why, I have to cast my mind all the way back to February 2009 for the last time anything like this happened. Marlow Hill was closed that time.
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Anyway, somebody should be fired. I nominate the top Johnny at the council.

Slacker, Flackwell says...
12:03am Tue 22 Dec 09

emmse wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Flackwell Heath is inaccessible now. Unless you have super tyres or wings, nobody is getting in or out of flackwell. All the hills are either too dangerous with stacks of abandoned cars or they have been closed.
It took my husband 40mins to get up the dip (near the old Magpie pub),abso nightmare,cars sliding all over,but apparently people were charging £5 a push...
Cheeky buggers if true. I heard the locals were helping for free. I live near to the dip but I could not help as I was working.

mary46, stokenchurch says...
12:07am Tue 22 Dec 09

Hope top Johnny at the council has a nice warm bed tonight, my husband left Chesham at 4.30 and is stuck at the bottom of Dashwood hill, he is sleeping in the car after finally giving up. P.S. Daughter still not home either.

deecee01, high wycombe says...
12:10am Tue 22 Dec 09

emmse wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Flackwell Heath is inaccessible now. Unless you have super tyres or wings, nobody is getting in or out of flackwell. All the hills are either too dangerous with stacks of abandoned cars or they have been closed.
It took my husband 40mins to get up the dip (near the old Magpie pub),abso nightmare,cars sliding all over,but apparently people were charging £5 a push...
That is a disgrace to charge for pushing people's cars. What happened to good old fashioned public spirit, but maybe it was all the druggies pushing cars so they could get money for their next hit

Slacker, Flackwell says...
12:15am Tue 22 Dec 09

mary46 wrote:
Hope top Johnny at the council has a nice warm bed tonight, my husband left Chesham at 4.30 and is stuck at the bottom of Dashwood hill, he is sleeping in the car after finally giving up. P.S. Daughter still not home either.
Can hubby get to Morrisons shelter? I am sure its not far from there and he can get soome food and drink.

mary46, stokenchurch says...
12:24am Tue 22 Dec 09

Thanks Slacker he has blankets in the car and is bunking down...its my 22 year old daughter I am worrying about...better go and put kettle on its going to be a long night for a lot of us.

Slacker, Flackwell says...
12:29am Tue 22 Dec 09

mary46 wrote:
Thanks Slacker he has blankets in the car and is bunking down...its my 22 year old daughter I am worrying about...better go and put kettle on its going to be a long night for a lot of us.
Have you managed to reach her by phone?

chris740, high wycombe says...
12:36am Tue 22 Dec 09

we all can moan and grumble.
but if the town all stood together,
on the way the council is run,

things may change, the bucks free press should name and shame those in charge.
its not the council workers at fault. its those in charge to blame.
we need to have a bloody good shake up at the council.
out with the old and in with the new

Voyeur, HW says...
12:42am Tue 22 Dec 09

Let's make sure we get the right council!
.
Some writers have been blaming WDC for the lack of gritting but that is a Bucks County Council responsibility.
.
It is David Shakespeare and his lot who are to blame for the lack of proper resources and lack of proper prior planning that provides this p*ss poor performance.

Voyeur, HW says...
12:45am Tue 22 Dec 09

Update on C ock Lane:

There is a car uver turned and sitting on its roof at the bottom of the road near London Road.
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It was still there upsdie down at about 11.30pm.
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Lack of gritting to blame.
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The 1 in 5 gradient road received one lot of gritting on Friday evening and none since.
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Numerous accidents this afternoon and evening - all should be blamed on Bucks County Council for failing to grit the road properly.

Aspieboy78, West Wycombe says...
12:45am Tue 22 Dec 09

No power in West Wycombe from Chapel Lane turning on A40 for well over 3 hours now, there are lots of us freezing in our own homes tonight! I'm wearing a beany hat and gloves to bed... And our bins were supposed to be collected on Friday but no sign of the bin men yet! How miserable would we all be if we had nothing to moan about? Still, at least Rage Against The Machine beat the X-Factor...

Try not to worry, it's not the end of the world yet. We've still got that to look forward to after the disaster at Copenhagen. God help us then if this is WDC's defence against a couple of days of snow!

saltedpeanuts, High Wycombe says...
12:45am Tue 22 Dec 09

Think I'll go grab a bucketful of snow and chill some beers... Looking at the road on Garratt's Way, vehicles have just driven over and compacted all the snow. Not sure if there's anything I can do. The salt bin is at the bottom of the hill, and has been allegedly raided... Just hope the ploughs and gritters get out and about tonight...

Farmer Pickles, says...
12:46am Tue 22 Dec 09

150 comments of mainly nonsense!

1. Bucks County Council are responsible for clearing roads. For once we can't blame WDC or Gordon Brown!

2. Grit is irrelevant when dealing with this amount of snow falling that fast. It isn't even below freezing tonight. What I want to know is if Bucks has any snow ploughs as that needs to be the first line of attack with this depth of snow. All gritters should be fitted with them but I haven't ever seen one in Wycombe.

3. The snow started sticking at 2pm. Why were people heading off to Tesco at 5? Why were people hanging about? I left town at 3.30, went around a back route to avoid the London Road and was home by 4pm. People need to accept responsiblity for themselves and accept that sh*t happens, and sn*w happens too!

Keep safe out there.

Mrs Angry Mum, Downley says...
12:51am Tue 22 Dec 09

Was worried about my son, left work at 5.30 from Thame to Downley and takes about half an hour. Unable to contact him as he had no service on his phone. By 10pm was very concerned but he managed to contact us by txt saying he was stuck at Bradenham. Me and my husband packed a bag with hot tea, food and a warm coat as he didnt want to leave his car. (Pride and Joy) and walked to Bradenham. West Wycombe road was empty but when we got to the Pedestal Roundabout we found the cause of the chaos......... A Jobsworth Plod stopping each and every car to ask where they are going.
As we walked along the queue of traffic to find our son we noticed cars with elderly people and young children inside that had been stuck in the traffic for hours. My son is now safe and warm at home.

IF THE POLICE WAS THAT CONCERNED ABOUT OUR SAFETY WHY WERE THEY LETTING THESE PEOPLE SIT IN THIS QUEUE IN THESE CONDITIONS FOR SO LONG..........
And they call us stupid.
RANT OVER

Rikard, Downley says...
12:55am Tue 22 Dec 09

@Voyeur - Yep, if it was WDC's responsibility they could spend the £995,000 (roughly £150 per council house) they have allocated to get council tenants to vote on changing their landlord on gritting .... the money *is* there - the problem is prioritising and planning. If it's costing £150 per vote then no wonder there's no money for gritting :-)

Slacker, Flackwell says...
12:56am Tue 22 Dec 09

I dont see how anyone can blame the police. They are doing their best. If people are stuck, there is not a lot the police can do, they have not got magic hands to melt the snow and ice.

emmse, flackwell heath says...
12:58am Tue 22 Dec 09

Slacker wrote:
emmse wrote:
Slacker wrote: Flackwell Heath is inaccessible now. Unless you have super tyres or wings, nobody is getting in or out of flackwell. All the hills are either too dangerous with stacks of abandoned cars or they have been closed.
It took my husband 40mins to get up the dip (near the old Magpie pub),abso nightmare,cars sliding all over,but apparently people were charging £5 a push...
Cheeky buggers if true. I heard the locals were helping for free. I live near to the dip but I could not help as I was working.
I know!!!! We went up a hill in Marlow,and we were advised by the kind public to go up one at a time as it was a pure sheet of ice..They were pushing people up the hill,even we got pushed up and we dont exactly have a lil car,we have a people carrier...Thanks to all those risking themselves to help us!!!!!!

Hit me, HARD! says...
1:06am Tue 22 Dec 09

Farmer Pickles has some very good points.

...I can answer the one about snow ploughs though - thats easy. The roads around here are in such bad condition that if you ran a snow plough over them you would mostly plough up the road, leaving a dirt track behind.

...which, in its own way, would be an improvement, so yeah. I agree. Where are they?!?

...and Mrs Angry Mum:

1) Be angry at the snow clouds - technically its their fault.
2) Try to think before you post. You dont think that maybe the police were stopping people and asking where they were going so that they could advise them of open routes? Or closed routes? Or suggestions of where to stop for the evening if they cant make it?

I have a simple solution to pretty much every issue on all these postings: If you want to drive in the snow, you should have to have lessons / a test first. That way, a) most the numpties wont bother and b) the ones that do will at least have a vague idea how to handle the conditions.

Fact is, blame the council as much as you want, but the real problem is the fact the no-one can take responsibility for their own actions any more. Its /always/ someone elses fault....

Mrs Angry Mum, Downley says...
1:06am Tue 22 Dec 09

The Police were to blame for the West Wycombe queues as no one was stuck, the roads were passable.

Slacker, Flackwell says...
1:11am Tue 22 Dec 09

Mrs Angry Mum wrote:
The Police were to blame for the West Wycombe queues as no one was stuck, the roads were passable.
If they were passable, why were there queues?

Hit me, HARD! says...
1:13am Tue 22 Dec 09

Slacker wrote:
Mrs Angry Mum wrote:
The Police were to blame for the West Wycombe queues as no one was stuck, the roads were passable.
If they were passable, why were there queues?
As if they let everyone through, maybe they will cause gridlock again? Better to hold traffic back, make sure they all know where they are going, and guide them around any trouble spots?

...just guessing?

Slacker, Flackwell says...
1:19am Tue 22 Dec 09

Hit me wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Mrs Angry Mum wrote:
The Police were to blame for the West Wycombe queues as no one was stuck, the roads were passable.
If they were passable, why were there queues?
As if they let everyone through, maybe they will cause gridlock again? Better to hold traffic back, make sure they all know where they are going, and guide them around any trouble spots?

...just guessing?
Maybe but West Wycombe Road is a straight road with not many turn offs. Its either go into the snow west, or back into the snow east towards the town centre again.

Took my friend 6 hours to get from Flackwell to Wycombe along London Road. If it has taken him that long then the police are also going to have problems getting to places. They are not miracle workers are they? Especially when they are also dealing with accidents elsewhere.

Hit me, HARD! says...
1:31am Tue 22 Dec 09

Slaker, I dont see that whether or not the police have issues is relevant? They are not immune to the snow, so naturally they will struggle - along with everyone including fire / ambulances etc.

And your friend has got all the over-careful drivers to thank. And the ones who decided to chance it & go shopping anyway.

And in terms of West Wycombe road, although just guessing (like I said), its not just about whether you turn left or right. For example, "Are you planning on going to wycombe, then up the hill to handy cross? Its closed, take the 3rd right...etc etc.

Again, just speculation, but cant see that the police would stop everyone without any reason (or just to be social!). Like you said they are busy!

WycombeDad, High Wycombe says...
1:41am Tue 22 Dec 09

It's 1.40am now and there is still an endless queue of cars trying to get down Desborough Avenue, what a horrific journey for them all.

A gritter has been over the road (it also had a snow plough attached, but wasn't using it) but the grit doesn't seem to be helping.

Steve Totteridge Hill, says...
2:26am Tue 22 Dec 09

Totteridge Hill

Not many 4X4's are getting up the hiil now.
Requested to the police and the highways authority are going unheard! 27 accidents since the first snow on Thursday!

It will take a death before we are heard!

Listen to the locals..."I've been here for 26 years...CLOSE "THE HILL!"
code words..upon-look..ma
ybe but if they'd just listen!

Tracyfry28, High Wycombe says...
5:10am Tue 22 Dec 09

Grit is only £25.00 for a ton so the amount of council tax we pay for each household, we have enough to grit every road in bucks.
Come on it's xmas day on Friday and we still have things to do, and families that need to get together.
It's no good gritting now as grit will not work on snow needs to be ice and put down alot not drive past at 40 mph and hope for the best????

wayneo, bucks says...
8:20am Tue 22 Dec 09

I agree Rikard, unfortunately I am in the position of having to eat humble-pie for I at first thought the Council had done much better than last year, after last night, I'm hoppng mad for people. Unfortunatley the anger now, will be but forgotten in a couple of weeks; 20 years or so ago, Councillors would have resigned at such a failure in France, they'd be after Letheren's head, they would not stand for the bullcr@p such as Si Khan spouted earlier, I wish it were different but I would make a bet that Letheren (Bucks CC transport portfolio holder), will still be in her position in a years time.

polypore, High Wycombe says...
8:25am Tue 22 Dec 09

On my way back from work on Monday, the traffic news didn't give much of an idea what was happening in Wycombe. Heard what sounded like every affected road in Luton. No announcements about shops providing emergency shelters, etc. In fact, the only definite statement was about Suffield Road being stationery due to snow on Rutland.

garrige, no mans land says...
8:35am Tue 22 Dec 09

4 hours to get from missenden to loudwater las night, and I'd probably still be on route if t wasn't for the help given by hazlemere residents. Thank you to all those that helped out pushing and directing people.
Now time to go and find the car!

reezzy12, high wycombe says...
8:44am Tue 22 Dec 09

I was in High Wycombe town centre on saturday & was amazed to see that the COUNCIL had not gritted any of the pavements/roads on the busiest shopping day of the year & i was disgusted to see how many innocent people were slipping over,in particula a Male OAP just up from Thomas Cook who had taken a massive fall,the Paramedics were with him but it didnt look good..I hope he made a full recovery...SORT IT OUT COUNCIL ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!! I tried to complain but the line is permentley engaged I WONDER WHY !!!!!

cfcwilson, high wycombe says...
8:50am Tue 22 Dec 09

i would like to say a really big thank you to the driver of a "NEALES TAXI CAB" this morning.like many others i had to abandon my car last night on cressex ind est and walk to totteridge.whilst walking to work this morning a freind (ric b)and i had made it half way up marlow hill(an achievement in its self)and a taxi driver stopped and gave us a lift onto the estate to recover our cars and get to work safely. he refused any payment and for this we are very grateful.well done to neales taxis.
steve w

Punchy, Wycombe says...
9:09am Tue 22 Dec 09

Each year I laugh at the Dunkirk spirit that a bit of the white stuff produces.

The effect is particularly amusing in South Bucks as we are generally known for our selfish, inconsiderate nature and poor manners.

In many other cultures, Dunkirk Spirit is considered simple everyday behaviour!

Perhaps them most amusing part of all of this is that even criminal behaviour changes. In the US, if cars ae abandoned for the night on the roads in cities or large townships, owners would come back the next day to see stereos, satnavs and tyres appropriated by local hoodlums. Clearly this bad weather is stifling entrepreneurship in South Bucks.

Slacker, Flackwell says...
9:24am Tue 22 Dec 09

I forgot to mention last night, as I was leaving work in the village and cars were struggling to be driven, I saw a man driving whilst using his mobile phone.
Whilst there were many acts of kindness last night this was one (of probably many) acts of stupidity and I am really disgusted by that driver.

I was so gobsmacked I did not even think to note down his numberplate and report him. But then I suppose the police have better things to do at the moment.

Anita21072, High Wycombe says...
9:32am Tue 22 Dec 09

What a joke our council is! She say's the grit is less effective at -8, well it was -1 when the snow started so if the grit had been down it would have been effective and got people home. The first grit lorry I saw was in the Cressex industrial estate after it had been snowing for over 2 hours. Councillors come up with these excuses but they don't really think their lies through otherwise they would realise we can work them out. Sick of this snow now and a useless council who can't sort it out!!!!

Chelseafan, High Wycombe says...
9:37am Tue 22 Dec 09

This morning, Desborough Avenue is still like a car park. It is completely blocked at the top, yet nobody has had the sense to shut it at the bottom to stop people coming up and having to find somewhere to turn around. Last night a group of people, including my partner helped to dig out a coach, that was full of people who's flight was diverted to Birmingham from Gatwick, who had then spent 6 hours on the coach to try and get to Gatwick, only to be stuck in Desborough Avenue. When will common sense prevail, and the Police close Desborough Avenue until the car park has been cleared. Really good to see a group of young Asian and white men patrolling with their shovels to help out strangers who became stuck

SDJones, Hazlemere says...
9:45am Tue 22 Dec 09

why cant we have grit-cams so that we the people can actually see where these gritters are going and what roads (if any) they are sprinkling on,how is everyone? sounded like a long night for people.

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
9:52am Tue 22 Dec 09

Come on BFP, lets have some more on the spot reporting, so people know where the so called gritting has taken place - where is safe to drive - what roads are blocked etc. I think alot of people would find that really useful at present.

Its been a very long night - hope everyone who experienced problems got home safe and sound in the end.

NeilHayes, Booker says...
9:54am Tue 22 Dec 09

How is it that the youth of today can't even get to work when the going gets a little tough.

My father, 69 years old, living in Booker manages the walk down into High Wycombe to the Eden center to get to work every day and yet other staff members, living in the SAME road, more than half his age stay home!

I can see why service levels drop, perhaps the gritters can't be bothered to get to work.

Thanks Dad for showing others how it should be done!

weyfarer, Princes Risborough says...
9:57am Tue 22 Dec 09

Quite right, the council should budget the money to clear roads properly and ringfence it.
You are missing a political point here- you all voted the Tories into WDC and BCC and they are infamous for not spending money- just look at our roads compared to Herts and Oxon. Tories are always proud to say "we only put the tax up 2% this year" - that's fine but at what cost to services? I think we all found out last night. Vote Tory and have a miserable life unless you are too rich to care, shame on them. Pity the other lot are no better either, perhaps a council of quality like-minded Independants might be better next time round folks??

demoness, Hades says...
10:12am Tue 22 Dec 09

NeilHayes wrote:
How is it that the youth of today can't even get to work when the going gets a little tough. My father, 69 years old, living in Booker manages the walk down into High Wycombe to the Eden center to get to work every day and yet other staff members, living in the SAME road, more than half his age stay home! I can see why service levels drop, perhaps the gritters can't be bothered to get to work. Thanks Dad for showing others how it should be done!
May I suggest before you come out with such ridiculous remarks that you read back and see the number of worried parents whose children are struggling to get home from work. My daughter got to work, as did my other daughter in Winchester and there are countless others like them.
It wouldn't have been so clever if ( God forbid) your father had fallen over and broken something would it?

Milford12, High Wycombe says...
10:25am Tue 22 Dec 09

All you moaners make me laugh! I stocked up on food and cranked the heating up, got some books from the library and am not venturing out as I value my life...it's the other lunatics on the road going out to do that all important xmas shopping or popping to a panto that are a real danger!! Do what they police advise...STAY HOME TIL SNOW CLEARS OR WALK TO THE SHOPS! Yes the council are to blame to a certain extent but people have to be pro-active in these situations. There are worse things in life eg starvation in Africa or other countries like Canda that cope with snow alot better than we do. Get over it!! and have a merry xmas humbugs.....gotta have my hot choc now yummy!!

Snowgenie, Farnham Common says...
10:31am Tue 22 Dec 09

I was one of the people stuck for 3 hours on New Road last night sliding around on the obviously untreated road. I just wanted to express my appreciation to the gentleman with the shovel and his helpers who dug my car out twice when I got stuck and also, the lovely lady who offered me a warm cup of tea on my way down when I had to turn my car around as I could not make it up New Road. All of you where fantastic and I cant'thank you enough.

JP80, says...
10:40am Tue 22 Dec 09

Although the councils all around have failed people need to take responsibility for their actions.

If you are unable to drive your car in snow and ice then LEAVE IT AT HOME. It was pretty obvious it would be treacherous after dark yesterday - even without the snow.

ROCKY, High Wycombe says...
10:46am Tue 22 Dec 09

I applaud the good work of the community on Desborough Ave who helped drivers out of the treacherous rd conditions; there was one person in charge who was directing a number of helpers in pushing the vehicles out of danger the asian gentleman that helped me had a luminous jacket on with Yaseys Car Wash Downley
Who drove my car out of a bad spot, thank you, good community spirit and kindness goes a long way.

Rikard, Downley says...
10:48am Tue 22 Dec 09

It amazes me the comments "I'm alright so you should be too" - total lack of empathy. I live in an area of sheltered housing and I have problems getting about myself. When I was fit and able this wouldn't have bothered me half as much - but then I appreciated that not everyone is an identikit copy of me. The OAP's round here haven't been able to get out for 4 days and it's only if they have family and they can get up here that they've had any help.
I'm really pleased some of you are alright and this hasn't affected you - but spare a thought for the weak and vulnerable, infirm etc. Thankfully this lack of compassion and understanding seems quite rare. I comfort myself in the knowledge that those fit and able folk who are moaning about people having concerns and worries are themselves getting older - everyone has to learn some time.
Yes - I realise you "don't understand" but why parade your ignorance by berating people less able than yourselves?

AlastairWatts, High Wycombe says...
10:53am Tue 22 Dec 09

As I pay a little over £1,000 a year in Council Tax some of which goes to Bucks County Council I think that I and everyone else deserves an explanation as to why main roads were not gritted prior to the snowfall @ 4.00pm yesterday.

Surelythey check weather forecasts? The A40 West Wycombe Road by my home could easily have been gritted at that time. They should be ashamed of their inadequate response to a weather situation of which they must have known in advance. Pathetic is too mild.

If they can't do this more efficiently then I would be happy to show them how to run it. Resignations are in order here from those people.

Alastair Watts

joc378, High Wycombe says...
11:03am Tue 22 Dec 09

How are the roads around Wycombe looking now? any updates would be a great help.

Hit me, HARD! says...
11:18am Tue 22 Dec 09

Rikard wrote:
It amazes me the comments "I'm alright so you should be too" - total lack of empathy. I live in an area of sheltered housing and I have problems getting about myself. When I was fit and able this wouldn't have bothered me half as much - but then I appreciated that not everyone is an identikit copy of me. The OAP's round here haven't been able to get out for 4 days and it's only if they have family and they can get up here that they've had any help.
I'm really pleased some of you are alright and this hasn't affected you - but spare a thought for the weak and vulnerable, infirm etc. Thankfully this lack of compassion and understanding seems quite rare. I comfort myself in the knowledge that those fit and able folk who are moaning about people having concerns and worries are themselves getting older - everyone has to learn some time.
Yes - I realise you "don't understand" but why parade your ignorance by berating people less able than yourselves?
I think the lack of empathy you are refering to is actually a lack of responsibility. There seems to be a good split on here between people who think the council are responsible for the snow, not clearing it, and, frankly, providing bog roll and a helping hand, and people who think you should take responsibility for yourself.

Personally, I think you take responsibility for your own actions. And, if you are old or disabled, you can still check the weather forecast for yourself. You can still decide to stock up on food early. You can still make arrangements to ensure you will be OK. Its still your responsibility.

...OR, you could do nothing, then, then moan that no-one is coming to help you.

Or, you could be even more daft, and try to get a bit of christmas shopping in....

demoness, Hades says...
11:26am Tue 22 Dec 09

Hit me wrote:
Rikard wrote: It amazes me the comments "I'm alright so you should be too" - total lack of empathy. I live in an area of sheltered housing and I have problems getting about myself. When I was fit and able this wouldn't have bothered me half as much - but then I appreciated that not everyone is an identikit copy of me. The OAP's round here haven't been able to get out for 4 days and it's only if they have family and they can get up here that they've had any help. I'm really pleased some of you are alright and this hasn't affected you - but spare a thought for the weak and vulnerable, infirm etc. Thankfully this lack of compassion and understanding seems quite rare. I comfort myself in the knowledge that those fit and able folk who are moaning about people having concerns and worries are themselves getting older - everyone has to learn some time. Yes - I realise you "don't understand" but why parade your ignorance by berating people less able than yourselves?
I think the lack of empathy you are refering to is actually a lack of responsibility. There seems to be a good split on here between people who think the council are responsible for the snow, not clearing it, and, frankly, providing bog roll and a helping hand, and people who think you should take responsibility for yourself. Personally, I think you take responsibility for your own actions. And, if you are old or disabled, you can still check the weather forecast for yourself. You can still decide to stock up on food early. You can still make arrangements to ensure you will be OK. Its still your responsibility. ...OR, you could do nothing, then, then moan that no-one is coming to help you. Or, you could be even more daft, and try to get a bit of christmas shopping in....
Hmmm I feel I may have to take a tiny bit of issue with you here.
Whilst I agree that some older people could do more to help themselves and I do not buy into this " well I deserve it because I am older milarky, I do feel that there are some members of society who live alone and do completely depend on other people for their basic human needs.
I am talking about those who can only just manage in their own homes and who depend on carers to see to their hygiene and nutritional needs.If those carers can't get through then they are stuck.

Rikard, Downley says...
11:31am Tue 22 Dec 09

@Hit me, HARD! - Yeah, the discussion is veering both ways ain't it.
For the record, in my experience, more pro-active gritting would have mitigated this debacle and that's what people around me, who remember when there was gritting, are saying also - including workers who have to be out on the road.
For my own part I did head out at 6am on the first morning of snow to get some stuff in before it got bad - but the shops had run out of some stuff because the deliveries couldn't get through. I don't have the option of walking to the shops to get all I need and I think it's irresponsible to take the car out at the moment.
Totally agree that BCC couldn't have been expected to totally prevent this - but they could have made the situation a whole lot better - as I've seen done in areas with more snow.
Like you say - there is still a load you can do yourself - I've been doing that believe me - and not only for myself!

anj, says...
11:44am Tue 22 Dec 09

does anyone know if Amersham Hill is drivable up to Terriers?

sidthesexist, High Wycombe says...
11:53am Tue 22 Dec 09

It was earlier, desborough avenue was still closed this morning though.

chezley15, high wycombe says...
12:02pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Car broke down outside Asdas last night 6.45pm and eventually Green Flag recovered my car at 2.45am. what a nightmare! Thank Goodness Asda were still open so we could buy blankets for the kids.

Travelbug, High Wycombe says...
12:14pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Does anyone know if Hughenden Avenue is clear...? Trying to get out of Downley and The Pastures isnt an option!

Rikard, Downley says...
1:01pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Cars are travelling along The Pastures and going down Hughenden Road OK but the hill is not recommended for normal vehicles - there's cars abandoned IN the road as well as at the sides. If there was any grit on the Pastures Hill it hasn't worked but one of those sterling gritter blokes has been up Hughenden and along The Pastures towards Plomer Hill a couple of times at least (Cheers - we all appreciate what's been done up here BCC drivers/workmen).

Rikard, Downley says...
1:05pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Talk of the Devil - at 13:30 a gritter crew has just gone onto the Pastures Hill from the top down - the hill may be fixed soon! (Cheers guys!)

Rikard, Downley says...
1:06pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Sorry - thats @ 13:05 (not got me specs on)

08642, high wycombe says...
1:35pm Tue 22 Dec 09

the people who grit your roads have been at work almost non stop since thursday main routes, i believe have taken priority and the news has said only travel if you really need to.

08642, high wycombe says...
1:36pm Tue 22 Dec 09

the people who grit your roads have been at work almost non stop since thursday main routes, i believe have taken priority and the news has said only travel if you really need to.

MWyatt, Downley says...
2:01pm Tue 22 Dec 09

If Wycombe Council stopped wasting so much money on stupid, non-required projects (the useless new mini roundabout at Downley and the fortune wasted on the Frogmore fountain spring to mind) perhaps they would be able to afford to be better equipped to deal with these emergency situations.

Milford12, High Wycombe says...
2:27pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Our Welfare State has created a bunch of complete dependents..ok some vulnerable and less able need help but the majority should take responsibility for themselves and do what they can to lessen the 'snow drama' ie not driving to that unnecessary panto/ doing xmas shopping. Nowadays, we do not really need to fear about not surviving anything in this country as we have emergency services and good samaritans who will always help |(bail us out). This snow drama is more an amusement for people here...look at other countries where they really and trully are stuggling to survive until their next meal...not until they get to their xmas dinner or holiday destination, like we have the luxury of doing.

Rikard, Downley says...
2:31pm Tue 22 Dec 09

2 more gritters just gone down The Pastures onto Hughenden @ 14:25. It looks like they are onto it up here now.
MAKE NO MISTAKE - NO ONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WORKERS ON THE FRONT LINE IN THE LEAST - IT'S MANAGEMENT AND PLANNING THAT'S TO BLAME.

chamach, high wycombe says...
2:34pm Tue 22 Dec 09

demoness wrote:
chamach wrote:
its absolutly ridiculous my sis nd aunty r stuk at stoke madavile nd dere no way 2 get dere so much traffic we gna leave dem dre till mornin if the roads were salted we cud get dre atleast arrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh h/'p
Pardon?
basically my sis and aunty went to stoke madavile as we dropped them off we also had to pick them up due to snow we couldnt.
The traffic was so bad that another relative was stuck in trafic from 4-12 in the morning.
They knew it was going to snow they should have made aragments before on the roads its absoulutly ridiculous

Tharus Bond, Flackwell Heath says...
2:37pm Tue 22 Dec 09

the trouble today was abandoned vehicles not the snow or Ice!

Rikard, Downley says...
2:40pm Tue 22 Dec 09

Those 2 gritters have just come back from Hughenden Road along The Pastures towards Plomer Hill @14:35 - it seems they are agressively gritting the route from Hughenden, through The Pastures towards Downley.
YOUR EFFORTS ARE APPRECIATED FRONT LINE WORKERS.

Aramis, Holmer Green says...
4:13pm Tue 22 Dec 09

anj,

Amersham Hill and Marlow Hill are open and look they have been for a couple of hours. Some of the abandoned cars have been removed by their owners but other cars remain.

However, it now looks like freezing fog is descending on the area. Some of those less busy hill roads could again face a few problems tonight just because of freezing slush.

michaelgwia, Downley says...
7:51pm Tue 22 Dec 09

heard PCSO's talking through radio about 7h of work and pay'd for 14h!!! gross!!! what about us and gritters!!!

what_an_odd_town, west wycombe says...
8:58pm Tue 22 Dec 09

fuzzier wrote:
its at times like these that we need a local radio station to let us know what the hell is going on!!
I think there used to be one but unfortunately it was a religious station so no-one listened!

I must say that Radio Berkshire was quite helpful last night advising about the problems at Handy Cross, the M40, town centre, etc.

I was stuck in Slough as the traffic on both the A355 Farnham Road and A4 Bath Road was almost at a standstill so I spent the evening at MacDonald's, commiserating with other non-commuters, until it closed at 10:30 pm.

Both routes were still immobile at that time, so after spending a chilly hour in my car outside my (closed) place of work one of my friends with whom I was in text contact suggested the 24-hour Tesco in Slough as a place of refuge and warmth. I knew from the radio that the problems continued on the roads.

I eventually left Slough around 2.45 am this morning and arrived back home in central Wycombe soon after 3.30am after my day at work! It was quite a slow journey on the compacted snow and I think I must have passed at least 200 abandoned cars.

Having seen all the photos of the mayhem in and around Wycombe on this BFP site today, I think that overall I probably did make the right choice!

At least the shortest day is now over; roll on spring and summer :-)

iswycombe, high wycombe says...
1:12am Wed 23 Dec 09

Finally arrived home after a twelve hour trip to get to my home with my 3 small children in the car-single mother too so was absolutely panicking the whole time. My phone battery eventually died aswell as my petrol tank. I managed to get some more fuel at beaconsfield services and made it to wycombe through loudwater to find all the hill roads were closed. Being in cressex meant that I was stranded with 3 small children. I then drove all the way to the m40 through princes risborough and Thame only to find a terrifying amount of black ice and drivers doing up to 60. I had a bad slip on the M40 and I was doing 35 mph and narrowly avoided a bad crash. Finally got home at 3 am this morning in floods of tears. And reading this I had to respond to say to those who are attacking us 'moaners' what you would say if there were any fatalities inc children? Because last night I saw wait for it...in twelve hours ONE police officer who waved me on at the bottom of Marlow Hill and ZERO gritters anywhere on my journey. There were no emergency services helping me or my children who were at that point dehydrated. A big thank you to all the locals who pulled together and supported all us folk who were stranded and skidding. Amazing people. I left london at 2pm monday and arrived home in wycombe at 3am. And since then have not been out at all in the car. There were still people stranded this afternoon on my road.

08642, high wycombe says...
8:28am Wed 23 Dec 09

i also had to abandon my car and walk a fair distance with a young child, but i would love to say a big thank you to all of the men who grit our roads.Who have barely gone home since thursday. I dont think people actully realise how big south bucks is.

michael healy, high wycombe says...
7:52pm Wed 23 Dec 09

Well done John Lewis for a great bit of ADVERTISING.
I have had to take John Lewis PLC to county court for not fixing my Toshiba Teleivision Properly under their so called 5 years Guarantee. Its WORTHLESS, just a selling point of SALE JARGON.

I sent them my reciept and then heard nothing! Then i complained and they sent someone out to collect my tv and gave me a loan tv untill my one was fixed.
I then got a call to say my tv was fixed. When they dropped it off i noticed straight away it had a crack on the top casing and a piece visibly missing. Not only that they said they wanted to take their tv back. I refused to accept my broken tv as the picture was not proper as it should be, pixels were missing and the fact that it was damaged.
I sent a letter to their managing director and they had the audacity to say they wanted £600 for the loan tv because i didnt give it back. Anyway, i issued a law suit againt the Managing Director of the whole company, in his name. That made them sit up and listen a bit but they had it changed at court to J L PLC.
They refuse to give me £1300 back which i paid for the tv and say its over 5 years old but cannot prove this at all. Hence i will be fighting my case in High Wycombe county couRt in Feb 2010

SO JOHN LEWIS PLC HIGH WYCOMBE BRANCH.
YOU ARE NOT SO GOOD AFTER ALL.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE OF HIGH WYCOMBE WHO HAVE HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE AT THE JOHN LEWIS HIGH WYCOMBE BRANCH WITH REGARDS TO THE "SO CALLED"5 YEAR GUARANTEE ON THEIR TELEVISION SETS

Mediawatcher, Aylesbury says...
4:23pm Thu 24 Dec 09

Michael Healy - What you say about your telly might be true, then again it might not. Either way this isn't the place for it, the court is. If your story is that interesting then im sure the BFP will do you a lovely spread when and IF you win your case! To be honest just reading your story makes me think it's exactly that, a STORY.
It has nothing to do with the goodwill shown by John Lewis staff in allowing people to spend the night in their store instead of freezing on the streets.

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Amersham Hill in High Wycombe was closed

Ray Shefford and wife Shirin were stuck at Tesco in Loudwater

Cars were abdoned at the roundabout at junction 3 of the M40




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