Voters to grill police chief hopefuls

Bucks Free Press: Former Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair has encouraged people not to vote for police and crime commissioners Former Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair has encouraged people not to vote for police and crime commissioners

SIX aspiring police chiefs, aiming to win your vote next month, will be quizzed over their plans to tackle crime next week.

The first ever Police and Crime Commissioner elections are taking place in November.

Residents in Buckinghamshire will be able to vote for the Thames Valley boss, whose job it will be to decide on what the force's priorities should be.

The new role has come under fire from critics, who have questioned the need for a political figure head to oversee each of the UK's police forces.

This week former Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair told voters to boycott the elections.

He believes it is the wrong system for the country.

Already, predictions have been for low turn outs, with public awareness of the elections apparently low.

 

 

To combat this lack of information, Home Office leaflets on the election will be posted to 21million homes this week.

The ballot is on November 15 and next Monday the candidates for Thames Valley will set out their vision at an event in Aylesbury.

Residents will have the chance to pose questions to the would-be police chiefs, who, if elected, will earn between £65,000 and £100,000.

Police authorities have been scrapped to make way for the commissioners, who will take charge of budgets and overall strategy and can hire and fire chief constables.

They will serve for three-and-a-half years.

Councillor Martin Tett, Leader of Buckinghamshire County Council, urged the public to engage with the elections.

The Conservative said: “I’m an enthusiast for this new initiative. Police and Crime Commissioners will replace the old non-elected police authorities and make the local police forces more accountable to local communities.

“At our hustings the candidates will be invited to speak for up to five minutes, followed by fifteen minutes of questioning. The meeting will give each of them the opportunity to explain how they would undertake the role, for example explaining their spending priorities in order to improve policing. By voting on November 15 we can directly influence policing in Buckinghamshire.”

The hustings takes place at The Gateway, Gatehouse Road, Aylesbury, from 4.30pm but places must be booked in advance via the following means: Email pccevent@buckscc.gov.uk or telephone 01296 387738 by midday on Monday 29 October.

The full list of candidates for the Thames Valley Region.

 

  • Patience Tayo Awe – Independent
  • Barry Cooper - UKIP
  • Geoff Howard – Independent
  • John Orrell Howson – Liberal Democrat
  • Anthony Stansfeld – The Conservative Party
  • Tim Starkey – Labour Party

 

 

 

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1:33pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Darren Hayday says...

What a waste of money...
What a waste of money... Darren Hayday

1:35pm Tue 23 Oct 12

philbo says...

I think it's a mistake not to vote, but I don't like the whole set-up: PCCs should not be party-political, candidates should not be affiliated to any party. Yet the political parties are the only real local organizations set up to campaign, so affiliation accords huge advantages to running as an independent.

The whole concept is fundamentally flawed.
I think it's a mistake not to vote, but I don't like the whole set-up: PCCs should not be party-political, candidates should not be affiliated to any party. Yet the political parties are the only real local organizations set up to campaign, so affiliation accords huge advantages to running as an independent. The whole concept is fundamentally flawed. philbo

1:42pm Tue 23 Oct 12

Stalemate says...

Yet another electoral scandal.

When the concept of police commissioners was first mooted it was stated that the Police would become accountable to us.

Yet what we have here is a candidate list fudged together behind closed doors with not a single opportunity for members of the public to get involved in the shortlisting process through the sponsoring of candidates.

The public have been mislead and did not expect a candidate list based on party affiliations.
Yet another electoral scandal. When the concept of police commissioners was first mooted it was stated that the Police would become accountable to us. Yet what we have here is a candidate list fudged together behind closed doors with not a single opportunity for members of the public to get involved in the shortlisting process through the sponsoring of candidates. The public have been mislead and did not expect a candidate list based on party affiliations. Stalemate

2:04pm Tue 23 Oct 12

geoffW says...

More politics.

I have no doubt that in some people could have an MP, MEP, District Councilor, County Councillor, Town Councilor, Parish Councilor, Mayor and now a Police and Crime Commissioner all from different parties.

Next there will be an Education Commsioner and then a Health Commisioner.

Sure, they'll all work together for the good of the people and not put party politics first.

Apart from Darren Hayday, who will be the first to come out and snipe and **** at whoever is elected?
More politics. I have no doubt that in some people could have an MP, MEP, District Councilor, County Councillor, Town Councilor, Parish Councilor, Mayor and now a Police and Crime Commissioner all from different parties. Next there will be an Education Commsioner and then a Health Commisioner. Sure, they'll all work together for the good of the people and not put party politics first. Apart from Darren Hayday, who will be the first to come out and snipe and **** at whoever is elected? geoffW

2:07pm Tue 23 Oct 12

geoffW says...

Ooops. Missed out the word "areas" in first line.

Can I put my name down as an independent candidate for "Village Idiot" please.
Ooops. Missed out the word "areas" in first line. Can I put my name down as an independent candidate for "Village Idiot" please. geoffW

2:34pm Tue 23 Oct 12

The Drone says...

GeoffW, the Village Idiot position is volontary and does not command the equivalent of the £85K salary which the Thames Valley Police Commissioner is said to be going to pocket. You won't find many political party candidates will stand against you, even though they are the best qualifed.
GeoffW, the Village Idiot position is volontary and does not command the equivalent of the £85K salary which the Thames Valley Police Commissioner is said to be going to pocket. You won't find many political party candidates will stand against you, even though they are the best qualifed. The Drone

2:37pm Tue 23 Oct 12

jdough says...

I'm not sure how TVP can ever be "accountable to local communities", when it covers three such large counties (Berks, Bucks, and Oxon) - and is presently merging its Admin, Dog, Firearm, and Roads units with Hampshire...
I'm not sure how TVP can ever be "accountable to local communities", when it covers three such large counties (Berks, Bucks, and Oxon) - and is presently merging its Admin, Dog, Firearm, and Roads units with Hampshire... jdough

8:31am Wed 24 Oct 12

JonHarvey says...

Imagine this: you are about to appoint someone to a new job. This job will require the person to build trusting relationships with many customers & colleagues. The person will be handling lots of confidential and sensitive information. The job will need someone who is extremely well organised. This person will need to be trusted by large numbers of the public.

You selected a shortlist and at the interview, and you are inclined towards one person. Then you look at his application form again and realise that the facts he has given about himself are not consistent. They are small details really, but the statements he makes just do not add up to a coherent story about the current or previous jobs he has held.

This makes you wonder whether to appoint this person.

Do you…?

This is not far from what could be happening with this election for the Thames Valley Police & Crime Commissioner.

I have researched the background of Anthony Stansfeld and found that by his own declarations he both is and is not currently chairman of a company. The name of the company that he may currently be chairman of varies between his West Berkshire Council register of interests, the register of interests for Thames Valley Police Authority and his LinkedIn account. There are other inconsistencies too and all the information (with evidential support) can be found here: http://ajustfuture.b
logspot.co.uk/2012/1
0/anthony-stansfeld-
facts-do-not-add-up.
html

Are these some minor inconsistencies arising from being just a bit too rushed perhaps? Is he just not a 'details person'? Or does this make you wonder about his credentials to occupy high political office?

It is your choice… it is your vote.
Imagine this: you are about to appoint someone to a new job. This job will require the person to build trusting relationships with many customers & colleagues. The person will be handling lots of confidential and sensitive information. The job will need someone who is extremely well organised. This person will need to be trusted by large numbers of the public. You selected a shortlist and at the interview, and you are inclined towards one person. Then you look at his application form again and realise that the facts he has given about himself are not consistent. They are small details really, but the statements he makes just do not add up to a coherent story about the current or previous jobs he has held. This makes you wonder whether to appoint this person. Do you…? This is not far from what could be happening with this election for the Thames Valley Police & Crime Commissioner. I have researched the background of Anthony Stansfeld and found that by his own declarations he both is and is not currently chairman of a company. The name of the company that he may currently be chairman of varies between his West Berkshire Council register of interests, the register of interests for Thames Valley Police Authority and his LinkedIn account. There are other inconsistencies too and all the information (with evidential support) can be found here: http://ajustfuture.b logspot.co.uk/2012/1 0/anthony-stansfeld- facts-do-not-add-up. html Are these some minor inconsistencies arising from being just a bit too rushed perhaps? Is he just not a 'details person'? Or does this make you wonder about his credentials to occupy high political office? It is your choice… it is your vote. JonHarvey

9:53am Wed 24 Oct 12

Brian JM says...

This must be a step forward compared with the old police authority set-up, where appointees influence top officers without recourse and accountability.

With an elected Commissioner, you should at least know what/who you are getting.
This must be a step forward compared with the old police authority set-up, where appointees influence top officers without recourse and accountability. With an elected Commissioner, you should at least know what/who you are getting. Brian JM

9:54am Wed 24 Oct 12

Brian JM says...

This must be a step forward compared with the old police authority set-up, where appointees influence top officers without recourse and accountability.

With an elected Commissioner, you should at least know what/who you are getting.
This must be a step forward compared with the old police authority set-up, where appointees influence top officers without recourse and accountability. With an elected Commissioner, you should at least know what/who you are getting. Brian JM

10:10am Wed 24 Oct 12

philbo says...

Brian JM wrote:
This must be a step forward compared with the old police authority set-up, where appointees influence top officers without recourse and accountability.

With an elected Commissioner, you should at least know what/who you are getting.
That assumes that enough people take enough interest to find out what/who we are getting and hold the person who gets the job to account. As an electorate, we don't even do that for our MPs properly (though I notice that the PCC for TVP will get an even higher salary than our MP does).
[quote][p][bold]Brian JM[/bold] wrote: This must be a step forward compared with the old police authority set-up, where appointees influence top officers without recourse and accountability. With an elected Commissioner, you should at least know what/who you are getting.[/p][/quote]That assumes that enough people take enough interest to find out what/who we are getting and hold the person who gets the job to account. As an electorate, we don't even do that for our MPs properly (though I notice that the PCC for TVP will get an even higher salary than our MP does). philbo

10:19am Wed 24 Oct 12

Stalemate says...

JonHarvey

Men of the ilk you describe make up the ruling class in this country.

A non-executive directorship here, a chairmanship there, maybe an affiliation with a charity or a special interest group to round out the current interests on the cv.

The truth of course is that the highlight of their day is the school run and coming home to knock one out into a kleenex.

I don't know why your chap is up for special mention as from what you say he sounds pretty much par for the course. I can't be arsed to research the others but I am sure that if I did there would be similar cv posturing.
JonHarvey Men of the ilk you describe make up the ruling class in this country. A non-executive directorship here, a chairmanship there, maybe an affiliation with a charity or a special interest group to round out the current interests on the cv. The truth of course is that the highlight of their day is the school run and coming home to knock one out into a kleenex. I don't know why your chap is up for special mention as from what you say he sounds pretty much par for the course. I can't be arsed to research the others but I am sure that if I did there would be similar cv posturing. Stalemate

11:25am Wed 24 Oct 12

Peter Cyprus says...

philbo wrote:
I think it's a mistake not to vote, but I don't like the whole set-up: PCCs should not be party-political, candidates should not be affiliated to any party. Yet the political parties are the only real local organizations set up to campaign, so affiliation accords huge advantages to running as an independent.

The whole concept is fundamentally flawed.
Totally agree! As they are politically affiliated they will follow the party line and will be voted in by the diehards of a political party and those disgruntled, or not, by the incumbent
government. They should not be affiliated or members of any political party.
Trust a good idea to be made a pigs ear by politicians.
[quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: I think it's a mistake not to vote, but I don't like the whole set-up: PCCs should not be party-political, candidates should not be affiliated to any party. Yet the political parties are the only real local organizations set up to campaign, so affiliation accords huge advantages to running as an independent. The whole concept is fundamentally flawed.[/p][/quote]Totally agree! As they are politically affiliated they will follow the party line and will be voted in by the diehards of a political party and those disgruntled, or not, by the incumbent government. They should not be affiliated or members of any political party. Trust a good idea to be made a pigs ear by politicians. Peter Cyprus

1:00pm Wed 24 Oct 12

pastyboy says...

This is just more bungling from an already inept government. The turn out for voting will be very low and ultimately will achieve nothing apart from wasting public funds, which we haven't got! Don't get me wrong I think the police does need to be more publicly accountable but patently so does any public service. Will this change policing for the good I sincerely doubt that!
This is just more bungling from an already inept government. The turn out for voting will be very low and ultimately will achieve nothing apart from wasting public funds, which we haven't got! Don't get me wrong I think the police does need to be more publicly accountable but patently so does any public service. Will this change policing for the good I sincerely doubt that! pastyboy

2:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12

DonRockell says...

It would help if we knew who the candidates were. even names would be useful or is that a secret to be held back until we vote.

Also why is that only open to political cronies and those who can afford to loss £5000.00 chargeable for registration. doesn't that in its self say that the normal bod on the street is being excluded from this and all we will get is much of the same with a new hat.
It would help if we knew who the candidates were. even names would be useful or is that a secret to be held back until we vote. Also why is that only open to political cronies and those who can afford to loss £5000.00 chargeable for registration. doesn't that in its self say that the normal bod on the street is being excluded from this and all we will get is much of the same with a new hat. DonRockell

4:44pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Voyeur says...

@DonRockwell - there is a list of the names and political affiliations at the bottom of the article - didn't you get that far?

Other comments discuss the political affiliations of the candidates but I see there are two independent candidates.
@DonRockwell - there is a list of the names and political affiliations at the bottom of the article - didn't you get that far? Other comments discuss the political affiliations of the candidates but I see there are two independent candidates. Voyeur

6:39pm Wed 24 Oct 12

DonRockell says...

Voyeur wrote:
@DonRockwell - there is a list of the names and political affiliations at the bottom of the article - didn't you get that far?

Other comments discuss the political affiliations of the candidates but I see there are two independent candidates.
No I didn't get a very good description of all the candidates there skill, experiences and what they hope to achieve - Apart from the list showing six bods that I have never heard of before and just because are political cronies does not show they are any good for the job either.

Oh and by the way you cant read either there's no 'w' in my name either even if some thing there should be.
[quote][p][bold]Voyeur[/bold] wrote: @DonRockwell - there is a list of the names and political affiliations at the bottom of the article - didn't you get that far? Other comments discuss the political affiliations of the candidates but I see there are two independent candidates.[/p][/quote]No I didn't get a very good description of all the candidates there skill, experiences and what they hope to achieve - Apart from the list showing six bods that I have never heard of before and just because are political cronies does not show they are any good for the job either. Oh and by the way you cant read either there's no 'w' in my name either even if some thing there should be. DonRockell

9:54pm Fri 26 Oct 12

J B Blackett says...

DonRockell wrote:
It would help if we knew who the candidates were. even names would be useful or is that a secret to be held back until we vote.

Also why is that only open to political cronies and those who can afford to loss £5000.00 chargeable for registration. doesn't that in its self say that the normal bod on the street is being excluded from this and all we will get is much of the same with a new hat.
All politicians ? Why are they all politicians ? Is overviewing / monitoring the police and acting on behalf of all a political matter ?
.
There used to be lots of blood-sucking or toxic vermin around and it was said no-one was more that 10 yards from a rat at any time.
.
Untrustworthy politicians have now outbred / replaced the rat and now they are everywhere - especially where they are not wanted or needed.
[quote][p][bold]DonRockell[/bold] wrote: It would help if we knew who the candidates were. even names would be useful or is that a secret to be held back until we vote. Also why is that only open to political cronies and those who can afford to loss £5000.00 chargeable for registration. doesn't that in its self say that the normal bod on the street is being excluded from this and all we will get is much of the same with a new hat.[/p][/quote]All politicians ? Why are they all politicians ? Is overviewing / monitoring the police and acting on behalf of all a political matter ? . There used to be lots of blood-sucking or toxic vermin around and it was said no-one was more that 10 yards from a rat at any time. . Untrustworthy politicians have now outbred / replaced the rat and now they are everywhere - especially where they are not wanted or needed. J B Blackett
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