What does it take to become an MP? (From Bucks Free Press)
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What does it take to become an MP?
6:53pm Tuesday 3rd November 2009
A few days ago a news article was published on this site about the selection of a candidate to stand at the next general election in the hope of becoming the MP for Wycombe.
According to the report it took five rounds of voting before one of the six candidates was finally chosen. The winning candidate had lived in our area some years ago but apart from that they had no other connections with our town.
This blog is not intended to be about to the specifics of the selection process that took place recently neither is it intended to discuss the merits of or pass comment in any way on the person chosen however the whole process intrigued me.
Ever since reading the news article I have been asking myself “What does it take to become an MP?”
Is there not a great honour in being the MP for a town? I think there is.
Not only is there honour but the salary of £64,766 plus allowances (don't mention the allowances!) and 80 days summer holiday are most attractive. Most of us can only dream of such a highly paid job.
What amazes me most is that despite having a population of over 100,000 people recent history suggest the chances of a local person becoming our MP is practically nil.
In such a densely populated area there must be someone with the talents to represent our town in parliament.
I wonder how many more of the MPs who go to make up the entire parliament don't actually have very strong connections with the town they represent?
Does a parliament made up of too many MPs from outside the area which they represent not make a mockery of the whole idea of a local representative? Why not ditch the first past the post system and introduce proportional representation instead?
Anyone can stand as an independent but unless you have the backing of one of the big parties you have very little hope of being elected.
It's almost that rather than voting for a person we are being asked to vote for a party and the candidate is just a name on the ballot paper.
It helps if you are a prominent local business man or local celebrity as your popularity would help carry you through but mere mortals like myself have no hope.
I for one would like to see rules brought in to ensure that our elected representative was more of a local person.
Sadly the position of MP has become diluted similar to that of the players in a top-flight football team. Rather the using local talent players (or MPs) are simply brought in and the supporters (or electors) have no say in the matter.
What do you think?
Comments(71)
Edna_Welthorpe
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8:22pm Tue 3 Nov 09
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security word: much-talk
demoness
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9:41pm Tue 3 Nov 09
I will do tomorrow.
ivor
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1:51am Wed 4 Nov 09
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It will be interesting to see how many comments this blog attracts. I suspect there is a general feeling of apathy when it comes to anything to do with parliament.
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I am sure I could easily do the job of a MP but I fear that I may not be able to tow the party line and would probably speak out when I see injustice.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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1:51am Wed 4 Nov 09
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I am sure I could do the job as good as anyone else!
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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1:52am Wed 4 Nov 09
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Oh dear. I am sorry to hear that you are not very well. I hope you get better soon.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
Lorrainej
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7:49am Wed 4 Nov 09
ivor wrote:Yes, I'm sure you are right regarding the apathy, everybody wants to shout about it, but most do nothing.
Re the comments of Lorrainej at 7:05pm ~ It will be interesting to see how many comments this blog attracts. I suspect there is a general feeling of apathy when it comes to anything to do with parliament. ~ I am sure I could easily do the job of a MP but I fear that I may not be able to tow the party line and would probably speak out when I see injustice. ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
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I'm sure you could do the job Ivor, the problem is too many people tow the party line, we need people who don't. I also despise injustice.
Lorrainej
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7:50am Wed 4 Nov 09
demoness wrote:Hope you feel better today.
I found that interesting Ivor but am nursing this wretched cold virus thing that is going around so can't share my thoughts tonight. I will do tomorrow.
demoness
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8:38am Wed 4 Nov 09
Ivor - interesting blog. I have long since become very disillusioned with so called democracy in this country and I am convinced it is more about marketing than any real desire to deal with issues.
I think that it is very worrying indeed that our local MP barely knows the town and I think you have hit the nail on the head when you say it is all about the party not the person.
I also agree with you re the apathy - I think people are just plain fed up with it all!
demoness
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8:43am Wed 4 Nov 09
Lorrainej wrote:Thank you. I feel slightly better but do tend to take illness as a personal affront to me :)
demoness wrote: I found that interesting Ivor but am nursing this wretched cold virus thing that is going around so can't share my thoughts tonight. I will do tomorrow.Hope you feel better today.
Lorrainej
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9:21am Wed 4 Nov 09
demoness wrote:Yes, I know what you mean
Lorrainej wrote:Thank you. I feel slightly better but do tend to take illness as a personal affront to me :)demoness wrote: I found that interesting Ivor but am nursing this wretched cold virus thing that is going around so can't share my thoughts tonight. I will do tomorrow.Hope you feel better today.
Lorrainej
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9:34am Wed 4 Nov 09
demoness
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10:35am Wed 4 Nov 09
SteveBaker
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10:55am Wed 4 Nov 09
On the facts of the process, please see this document:
http://www.conservat
ives.com/pdf/howtomp
Ivor writes:
"The winning candidate had lived in our area some years ago but apart from that they had no other connections with our town."
However, I have had an unbroken relationship with the area since August 2007:
- From August 2007 to March 2009, I lived in Walter's Ash. That is just outside the Wycombe constituency of course.
- I have attended church in a nearby village since autumn 2007. I did not change churches when we moved.
- I volunteered in Wycombe Winter Night Shelter last winter.
My wife and I moved to RAF Brize Norton in March. This has made me personally known to David Cameron, a fact which should help the people of Wycombe in due course. We are looking forward to moving into the Constituency as soon as possible.
A comment by nick591 of Prestwood on the following article is relevant:
http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/news/pol
itics/4713817.Former
_RAF_man_is_Wycombe_
s_Tory_MP_candidate/
He writes:
"Too many people moan about their local MP without ever speaking to them or attempting to find out anything about them at all."
I start knocking on doors on Saturday. I hope I find people in and I look forward to getting to know you. We can only defeat this despairing cynicism together.
Steve Baker
Conservative PPC for Wycombe
demoness
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10:58am Wed 4 Nov 09
You will have to excuse our cyniscism. The Wycombe people are VERY disillusioned with local politics - the council ride roughshod over what the local people want and have a very top down and "mother knows best" approach.
I am prepared to be open minded however - new blood and all that. But be warned, you are going to meet some very angry people out there.
Good luck to you.
Lorrainej
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11:14am Wed 4 Nov 09
SteveBaker wrote:www.stevebaker.info
I understand people's disillusionment with politics. It is a desire to improve things which motivates me. On the facts of the process, please see this document: http://www.conservat ives.com/pdf/howtomp .pdf Ivor writes: "The winning candidate had lived in our area some years ago but apart from that they had no other connections with our town." However, I have had an unbroken relationship with the area since August 2007: - From August 2007 to March 2009, I lived in Walter's Ash. That is just outside the Wycombe constituency of course. - I have attended church in a nearby village since autumn 2007. I did not change churches when we moved. - I volunteered in Wycombe Winter Night Shelter last winter. My wife and I moved to RAF Brize Norton in March. This has made me personally known to David Cameron, a fact which should help the people of Wycombe in due course. We are looking forward to moving into the Constituency as soon as possible. A comment by nick591 of Prestwood on the following article is relevant: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/news/pol itics/4713817.Former _RAF_man_is_Wycombe_ s_Tory_MP_candidate/ He writes: "Too many people moan about their local MP without ever speaking to them or attempting to find out anything about them at all." I start knocking on doors on Saturday. I hope I find people in and I look forward to getting to know you. We can only defeat this despairing cynicism together. Steve Baker Conservative PPC for Wycombe
Just been onto the above site, very interesting. Welcome, and the very best of luck.
Blueberry
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1:38pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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How local?
Who would the rules apply to?
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As you say, anyone can stand as an independent, and also anyone can put themselves forward to a political party.
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It's already in the parties' interest to pick someone they think people will vote for - that's why they rarely pick very young candidates. The fact they often pick people with weak local ties surely reflects the fact that most voters aren't that bothered?
brachyura
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4:18pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Ivor has lived and worked in High Wycombe all his life, but does that make his opinion of how things should be done, any more or less important than someone such as myself who works in London and has only lived in High Wycombe a few years? As far as I can see both views are important for the community.
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For me what really makes an MP is someone who listens and gets things done (which are two of many reasons why unlike Lorraine and Edna I will not be voting for Ivor).
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Still it is good to see Steve commenting on here, and as he has the Blue Planet on his Amazon wishlist, a fan of aquatic life can't be all that bad.
SteveBaker
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4:50pm Wed 4 Nov 09
tom.marlow
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4:53pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Of course, living in the same area as your constituents may have advantages in terms of accessibility but with modern communications it is hardly necessary.
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As Lorraine points out MPs have to toe the party line which rather dilutes their local connections.
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If we assume that over the country as a whole, proportional representation will result in a parliament that represents the votes of the country as a whole then the individual MPs are futher disconnected from their constituents.
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Local councils are a completely different story though.
J B Blackett
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5:55pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Regards
ivor
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6:29pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Well I am prepared to speak out and speak my mind. Perhaps if there were more people like me perhaps things would change? Maybe they need people like me in parliament?
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You can rest assured that I would not tow the party line. If something is wrong then I speak up to try to get things done.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:30pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Yes, I hope demoness is feeling better too.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:30pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Hello demoness. I am pleased to hear that you are getting better.
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Yes, your point about marketing is a good one. Sadly the political parties seem too interested in marketing do they not realise that it's down to earth policies that matter and not glossy advertising campaigns?
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:31pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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I read the document to which you gave a link. It seems that I have all the necessary characteristics i.e. communication, intellect, ability to relate to people, campaigning skills, leadership, drive and conviction.
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Now, I wonder what the chances of someone like myself (who I feel is more than suitably qualified) of actually becoming an MP? The politicians you see on TV and read about all seem to be educated at public schools and some have business interests. I feel this is part of the problem as the MP's appear as the elite and not in touch with reality. Perhaps if more reliance was put on down to earth policies rather than advertising campaigns and spin the country may get somewhere....
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Well, it's pleasing to know that you will be knocking on doors from Saturday. All too often MP's (or any politician) seem to be an illusive characters who only appears at electing time.
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As well as knocking on doors maybe it would be a good idea to spend some time walking around our town and actually meet the people? If you publicised the times you were going to do your walkabout I am sure lots of people would come to meet you. All too often politicians are only seen in the newspaper rather than in reality.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:32pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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I like your “mother knows best” comment when referring to the Council.... Maybe it should be "granny get's it wrong!"
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:33pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Well, I once came up with a proposal that specified the conditions that I would put on being a “local person” unfortunately I was castigated as a result!
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I think people should have at least been born here, lived here for a reasonable time or be in business in the town.
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I feel the voters are not bothered because all too often they have seen the elected representatives go off and don things which the public don't want for example closing Holywell Mead pool....
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:33pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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But does a new person have the necessary level of experience of life in the town?
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Indeed I have lived in Wycombe all my life and worked in Wycombe for many years. This experience gives me a deep insight into the town and it's people surely that is exactly what is required for a MP?
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Indeed it is nice to see Steve commenting on this blog. Maybe he will become a regular reader and come to see the issues facing the towns people that I highlight here.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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6:33pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Surely living amongst the constituents is vital to being a successful MP otherwise how will you know what the issues that need addressing are?
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Having MP's that tow the part line is alright if the Government is in touch with reality....
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Do you think PR would be good for Council elections then? It would be interesting to know what WDC would look like if PR was applied....
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Thank you for your valued comment.
Lorrainej
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6:42pm Wed 4 Nov 09
ivor wrote:Well said Ivor
Re the comments of Lorrainej at 7:49am ~ Well I am prepared to speak out and speak my mind. Perhaps if there were more people like me perhaps things would change? Maybe they need people like me in parliament? ~ You can rest assured that I would not tow the party line. If something is wrong then I speak up to try to get things done. ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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7:40pm Wed 4 Nov 09
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Thank you for your kind words of praise.
faisal mahmood
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8:02pm Wed 4 Nov 09
Morag
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8:23pm Wed 4 Nov 09
tom.marlow
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8:58pm Wed 4 Nov 09
ivor wrote:The role of MPs is to run the country and their concern should be issues that affect the country as a whole. They are obligated to represent the views of their constituents on national issues.
Re the comments of tom.marlow at 4:53pm ~ Surely living amongst the constituents is vital to being a successful MP otherwise how will you know what the issues that need addressing are? ~ Having MP's that tow the part line is alright if the Government is in touch with reality.... ~ Do you think PR would be good for Council elections then? It would be interesting to know what WDC would look like if PR was applied.... ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
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As far as local issues that can be addressed by national government are concerned, as I said before its easy enough to communicate with your MP wherever they live. I emailed Mr Goodman a number fo times - not that I got any sort of sensible response.
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I'm in favour of PR at both national and local levels. But it does naturally lead to much larger constituencies.
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Incidentally, apologies for pedantry, both Ivor and Lorraine, but the expression is "to toe the line", not "to tow the line". Theres an interesting wikipedia article on how it arose.
brachyura
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9:12pm Wed 4 Nov 09
ivor wrote:As Tom says, an MP is there to run the country, so I'm sure a new person would certainly have the necessary experience of life.
Re the comments of brachyura at 4:18pm ~ But does a new person have the necessary level of experience of life in the town? ~ Indeed I have lived in Wycombe all my life and worked in Wycombe for many years. This experience gives me a deep insight into the town and it's people surely that is exactly what is required for a MP? ~ Indeed it is nice to see Steve commenting on this blog. Maybe he will become a regular reader and come to see the issues facing the towns people that I highlight here. ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
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Of course the biggest problem you would have about being an MP is that you would be required to travel outside of Wycombe (unless of course you intend to attend the House of Commons by webcam!).
Lorrainej
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9:21pm Wed 4 Nov 09
tom.marlow wrote:As soon as I had sent it I realised, I will check on wikipedia, they have some interesting facts, many thanks.
ivor wrote: Re the comments of tom.marlow at 4:53pm ~ Surely living amongst the constituents is vital to being a successful MP otherwise how will you know what the issues that need addressing are? ~ Having MP's that tow the part line is alright if the Government is in touch with reality.... ~ Do you think PR would be good for Council elections then? It would be interesting to know what WDC would look like if PR was applied.... ~ Thank you for your valued comment.The role of MPs is to run the country and their concern should be issues that affect the country as a whole. They are obligated to represent the views of their constituents on national issues. . As far as local issues that can be addressed by national government are concerned, as I said before its easy enough to communicate with your MP wherever they live. I emailed Mr Goodman a number fo times - not that I got any sort of sensible response. . I'm in favour of PR at both national and local levels. But it does naturally lead to much larger constituencies. . Incidentally, apologies for pedantry, both Ivor and Lorraine, but the expression is "to toe the line", not "to tow the line". Theres an interesting wikipedia article on how it arose.
demoness
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9:30pm Wed 4 Nov 09
tom.marlow
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11:56pm Wed 4 Nov 09
ivor
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12:06am Thu 5 Nov 09
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Thank you for your kind words of praise.
ivor
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12:06am Thu 5 Nov 09
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Yes, I will reply to the comments shortly.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:07am Thu 5 Nov 09
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But surely the local issues also have to be taken in to account?
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Do the MP's reply to e-mails? Surely they must be very busy if they do.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:07am Thu 5 Nov 09
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I think I could force myself to leave Wycombe if I had the honour of going to Westminster....
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:07am Thu 5 Nov 09
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Wikipedia may have many interesting facts on it but the question is are they correct?
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:07am Thu 5 Nov 09
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Yes, you are quite correct there.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:08am Thu 5 Nov 09
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No. I think you are wrong there.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
Lorrainej
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5:34am Thu 5 Nov 09
demoness wrote:No I realise that, but it is a bit like this blog, it is an opinion. But if anybody disagrees or has any better suggestions, they can add to the content. They are volunteers that add the content, so if it is inaccurate, please add to it. Without the input of the volunteers it would not exist.
wikipedia isn't always the most accurate place in the world though...
brachyura
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6:25am Thu 5 Nov 09
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You state "I have all the necessary characteristics i.e. communication, intellect, ability to relate to people, campaigning skills, leadership, drive and conviction."
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Personally I think your blogs have shown that you are lacking in a few of these skills.
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Then again you constantly moan about your income, and are full of hot air so perhaps being an MP is for you.
Lorrainej
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6:32am Thu 5 Nov 09
brachyura wrote:But most importantly, people listen to Ivor and they respond, look at his readership and reponses. He gets more that the other stories on local MP's etc, he must be doing something right. Back Ivor.
Doesn't matter as Ivor the MP is never going to happen. . You state "I have all the necessary characteristics i.e. communication, intellect, ability to relate to people, campaigning skills, leadership, drive and conviction." . Personally I think your blogs have shown that you are lacking in a few of these skills. . Then again you constantly moan about your income, and are full of hot air so perhaps being an MP is for you.
demoness
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6:43am Thu 5 Nov 09
Also it is the same few that are commmentating and as I say we nearly always disagree.
Look round the site as well -when Ivor does comment on news stories, how many people agree with him?
Very few , thats the answer.
So you may listen to him and agree.Me, welll I read, try and make a reasoned reply and then get exasperated ( although I am trying to change that)>
Lorrainej
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6:47am Thu 5 Nov 09
brachyura
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6:48am Thu 5 Nov 09
Lorrainej wrote:The number of comments does not mean much (half of the comments made on the blog are made by Ivor himself), and just recently the majority of the remaining half are made by you complaining about other posters.
brachyura wrote: Doesn't matter as Ivor the MP is never going to happen. . You state "I have all the necessary characteristics i.e. communication, intellect, ability to relate to people, campaigning skills, leadership, drive and conviction." . Personally I think your blogs have shown that you are lacking in a few of these skills. . Then again you constantly moan about your income, and are full of hot air so perhaps being an MP is for you.But most importantly, people listen to Ivor and they respond, look at his readership and reponses. He gets more that the other stories on local MP's etc, he must be doing something right. Back Ivor.
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People respond to Ivor but rarely do they respond positively to his ideas and he fails to listen to their point if view.
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Back him if you wish but I certainly wouldn't back someone who....
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does not believe in global warming.
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thinks that queuing in the post office is equivalent to the probles of the third world.
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etc etc
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Besides he clearly is not a man of action as despite your flirting with him he has failed to make a move...nudge, nudge wink, wink
Lorrainej
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6:52am Thu 5 Nov 09
brachyura wrote:See my response 6.47
Lorrainej wrote:The number of comments does not mean much (half of the comments made on the blog are made by Ivor himself), and just recently the majority of the remaining half are made by you complaining about other posters. . People respond to Ivor but rarely do they respond positively to his ideas and he fails to listen to their point if view. . Back him if you wish but I certainly wouldn't back someone who.... . does not believe in global warming. . thinks that queuing in the post office is equivalent to the probles of the third world. . etc etc . Besides he clearly is not a man of action as despite your flirting with him he has failed to make a move...nudge, nudge wink, winkbrachyura wrote: Doesn't matter as Ivor the MP is never going to happen. . You state "I have all the necessary characteristics i.e. communication, intellect, ability to relate to people, campaigning skills, leadership, drive and conviction." . Personally I think your blogs have shown that you are lacking in a few of these skills. . Then again you constantly moan about your income, and are full of hot air so perhaps being an MP is for you.But most importantly, people listen to Ivor and they respond, look at his readership and reponses. He gets more that the other stories on local MP's etc, he must be doing something right. Back Ivor.
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"Besides he clearly is not a man of action as despite your flirting with him he has failed to make a move...nudge, nudge wink, wink"
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Another good reason, no more sleeze. Ivor is honourable.
demoness
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6:59am Thu 5 Nov 09
Lorrainej
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7:02am Thu 5 Nov 09
brachyura
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7:03am Thu 5 Nov 09
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You complain about other people that comment but perhaps you should lead by example and post comments that are directly related to the subject.
Lorrainej
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7:08am Thu 5 Nov 09
brachyura wrote:I thought I was, or are you talking about a different day
Lorraine you are as deluded as Ivor. . You complain about other people that comment but perhaps you should lead by example and post comments that are directly related to the subject.
demoness
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7:13am Thu 5 Nov 09
Lorrainej wrote:LOL
No, I have Ivor
You have made me chuckle.
OMG are you proposing to be Mrs Ivor?
You will scare him!
Lorrainej
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7:19am Thu 5 Nov 09
tom.marlow
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9:08am Thu 5 Nov 09
ivor wrote:Try emailing your MP....
Re the comments of tom.marlow at 8:58pm ~ But surely the local issues also have to be taken in to account? ~ Do the MP's reply to e-mails? Surely they must be very busy if they do. ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
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You will get a reply and it will come from his email address, but I will give good odds that it will have been written by one of his staff.
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In my experience, it will be some standard reply to whatever is closest to the issues that you raise and not address any specific points you make. However, that is based on a very small sample of emails on issues that there is a strong party line on so I would have been naive to expect anything else. I cannot generalise on that.
tom.marlow
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9:20am Thu 5 Nov 09
ivor wrote:In my experience the content on wikipedia is generally reliable. I have not found fault in any of the articles on things I know a lot about.
Re the comments of Lorrainej at 9:21pm ~ Wikipedia may have many interesting facts on it but the question is are they correct? ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
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There is a lot more to it that simply random additions and editing.
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If you take the "toe the line" article as an example, there are a lot of cross references, a page of background discussion and the editing history of the page. Everything you need to be able to make a judgement about the reliability of the content.
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In this case there's not exactly anything controversial about the subject anyway. Many of the articles contain extensive external references.
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Its very common to question the reliability of Wikipedia especially when someone is using it to make a point in a discussion. I would suggest that it is more reliable than much of the information on the internet, and in pront for that matter.
tom.marlow
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9:25am Thu 5 Nov 09
Lorrainej
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9:27am Thu 5 Nov 09
Lorrainej
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9:30am Thu 5 Nov 09
tom.marlow wrote:How do you spell check here, I don't know how to do that
ooops print, not pront. need to get my spell checker serviced :-)
tom.marlow
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9:45am Thu 5 Nov 09
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Its just that Ivor always blames his typos on his "infernal spell checker" :-)
Lorrainej
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9:49am Thu 5 Nov 09
ivor
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12:58am Fri 6 Nov 09
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You never know I may be our MP one day. Wouldn't that shock you!
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Oh dear. So you don't think I have the skills. Why do people always have to do me down.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:58am Fri 6 Nov 09
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Indeed I am an honourable person. There is no hanky-panky when I am around.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:58am Fri 6 Nov 09
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Yes, that would be the obvious way to find out. I wonder what our MP would think if an e-mail from my good self arrived in his in-box?
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Do you mean they have staff to reply to e-mails on their behalf? What a waste of money.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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12:59am Fri 6 Nov 09
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I guess any forms of reference material has an error in to somewhere however the easily editable nature of online reference sites by their very nature must more unreliable. But we mustn't complain as they are free!
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Thank you for your valued comment.
Lorrainej
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8:23am Fri 6 Nov 09
ivor wrote:Glad to hear it Ivor, too much sleeze around these days. Could be an interesting blog I suppose.
Re the comments of Lorrainej at 6:52am ~ Indeed I am an honourable person. There is no hanky-panky when I am around. ~ Thank you for your valued comment.
ivor
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3:02pm Sun 8 Nov 09
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Yes, there is nothing big about being sleazy.
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Thank you for your valued comment.
Lorrainej says...
7:05pm Tue 3 Nov 09